Bulls Offseason Thread

[SouthSideRyan]

If LeBron, Bosh, and Wade all sign with Miami, who the F would be left to fill out the roster? By all reports, Chalmers & Beasley would go to Toronto as part of a sign & trade.

 

That's exactly my point. After this supposed super-deal, they'd have like six players and no money.

 

Isn't this likely to be the case with any team bringing in 2 max (or near-max) FAs?

[SouthSideRyan]

I'm still trying real hard to wrap my head around the idea that Varejao (2009-10 PER 15.87 at PF), Williams (16.18) and Jamison (17.33 at PF) are better than Noah (17.96 at C), Rose (18.69) and Deng (16.14 at SF).

 

What's stranger about this notion is that even if the Bulls lose out on Bosh at 25.11 they will probably get Boozer at 21.42, which means - again - that they will have superior players to what Cleveland can offer to LeBron:

 

Rose (18.69)

James

Deng (16.14)

Bosh (25.11) or Boozer (21.42)

Noah (17.96)

 

vs.

 

Williams (16.18)

Delonte West (13.68)

James

Jamison (17.33)

Varejao (15.87)

 

Assuming the Boozer scenario, that's a total PER of 74.21 for the Bulls' supporting cast and 63.06 for the Cavs' supporting cast. And did I mention that Jamison is 34 yrs old with a recent history of nagging injuries?

 

How are the Bulls signing Bosh and James outright? Or acquiring Bosh in a S&T without giving up Deng?

 

And while I plead ignorance on Cleveland's backcourt defense, so I'm not even saying it helps Cleveland's case, but defense does matter. You can't just add up PER and say this team's better.

[swordsman]

I'm still trying real hard to wrap my head around the idea that Varejao (2009-10 PER 15.87 at PF), Williams (16.18) and Jamison (17.33 at PF) are better than Noah (17.96 at C), Rose (18.69) and Deng (16.14 at SF).

 

What's stranger about this notion is that even if the Bulls lose out on Bosh at 25.11 they will probably get Boozer at 21.42, which means - again - that they will have superior players to what Cleveland can offer to LeBron:

 

Rose (18.69)

James

Deng (16.14)

Bosh (25.11) or Boozer (21.42)

Noah (17.96)

 

vs.

 

Williams (16.18)

Delonte West (13.68)

James

Jamison (17.33)

Varejao (15.87)

 

Assuming the Boozer scenario, that's a total PER of 74.21 for the Bulls' supporting cast and 63.06 for the Cavs' supporting cast. And did I mention that Jamison is 34 yrs old with a recent history of nagging injuries?

 

How are the Bulls signing Bosh and James outright? Or acquiring Bosh in a S&T without giving up Deng?

 

And while I plead ignorance on Cleveland's backcourt defense, so I'm not even saying it helps Cleveland's case, but defense does matter. You can't just add up PER and say this team's better.

 

Isn't points per game closely linked with shooting percentage and the number of shots a guy gets to take? If there are other guys taking lots of shots on the floor (I'm assuming LBJ would be taking a bunch), wouldn't that lower the PPG for the other guys on the floor?

 

In other words, assuming shooting accuracy (the percentage of shots made) stayed constant for all players, if LBJ came to the Bulls, isn't it likely that the other player's PPG would trend down as LBJ took a higher percentage of the available shots in the game?

 

I admit to paying no attention to how Baskeball stats are used, collected or calculated.

[Rex Buckingham]

Isn't points per game closely linked with shooting percentage and the number of shots a guy gets to take? If there are other guys taking lots of shots on the floor (I'm assuming LBJ would be taking a bunch), wouldn't that lower the PPG for the other guys on the floor?

 

In other words, assuming shooting accuracy (the percentage of shots made) stayed constant for all players, if LBJ came to the Bulls, isn't it likely that the other player's PPG would trend down as LBJ took a higher percentage of the available shots in the game?

 

I admit to paying no attention to how Baskeball stats are used, collected or calculated.

 

PER stands for Player Efficiency Rating, not sure how it is calculated, but I'm fairly certain it includes much more than PPG

 

of course, I could just be misinterpreting your post and you do know what PER is and were making a separate point... if so, I apologize

[SpongeWorthy]

They'd fill out the roster with ring chasing veterans willing to take the minimum. It wouldn't be pretty but it wouldn't really have to be.

 

I dunno about that. Even LeBron, Bosh and (especially) Wade would get tired playing 44 minutes a night.

 

Which veterans are we talking here?

 

I saw a list somewhere of guys that would fit the bill. It was pretty ugly.

 

But really, even good teams have like 7 very viable rotation players that would go well on any team. The Lakers had crappy guys like Vujacic and Farmar playing significant minutes. Shannon Brown came off the scrap heap. It can be done.

[SpongeWorthy]

Chad Ford tweeted that the Nets believe they're in the lead for Lebron.

 

Sidebar: I really hope this free agency thing is resolved quickly because I don't want to have to use tweet as a verb.

[17 Seconds]

Well if that's the argument you go with to sway Lebron from Cleveland, wouldn't the obvious choice be to go to Miami, where they've actually won something? (assuming Wade is back)

 

why are you talking aobut [expletive] that happened several years ago to a completely different roster?

 

this isn't your best thread

 

Well we can talk about last year when the Heat were a better team.

 

Because of a ridiculous stretch where the Bulls were missing Rose/Noah/Deng at the same time and tanked. Not to mention we had VDN

 

Put Thibodeau on that team and take away the obscene injury stretch, and I'm pretty sure the Bulls make up those 6 games

[seanimal]

If LeBron, Bosh, and Wade all sign with Miami, who the F would be left to fill out the roster? By all reports, Chalmers & Beasley would go to Toronto as part of a sign & trade.

 

That's exactly my point. After this supposed super-deal, they'd have like six players and no money.

 

Isn't this likely to be the case with any team bringing in 2 max (or near-max) FAs?

 

to varying degrees, sure. i'm a total bulls homer so i'm just going to assume beyond reason that they are the obvious best choice for lebron. i don't care what you say.

 

i'm actually really looking forward to this being resolved, regardless of what happens. all this speculation upon speculation is kind of embarassing.

[RynoRules]

I'm still trying real hard to wrap my head around the idea that Varejao (2009-10 PER 15.87 at PF), Williams (16.18) and Jamison (17.33 at PF) are better than Noah (17.96 at C), Rose (18.69) and Deng (16.14 at SF).

 

What's stranger about this notion is that even if the Bulls lose out on Bosh at 25.11 they will probably get Boozer at 21.42, which means - again - that they will have superior players to what Cleveland can offer to LeBron:

 

Rose (18.69)

James

Deng (16.14)

Bosh (25.11) or Boozer (21.42)

Noah (17.96)

 

vs.

 

Williams (16.18)

Delonte West (13.68)

James

Jamison (17.33)

Varejao (15.87)

 

Assuming the Boozer scenario, that's a total PER of 74.21 for the Bulls' supporting cast and 63.06 for the Cavs' supporting cast. And did I mention that Jamison is 34 yrs old with a recent history of nagging injuries?

 

How are the Bulls signing Bosh and James outright? Or acquiring Bosh in a S&T without giving up Deng?

 

And while I plead ignorance on Cleveland's backcourt defense, so I'm not even saying it helps Cleveland's case, but defense does matter. You can't just add up PER and say this team's better.

 

My totals aren't based on James and Bosh. They are based on James and Boozer because that is a more likely scenario.

 

And why are you focusing only Cleveland's backcourt D? Jamison cannot defend anymore - he proved that in the playoffs. Varejao is an undersized center. And, IIRC, Williams is not a good defender but West usually is.

[SouthSideRyan]

 

My totals aren't based on James and Bosh. They are based on James and Boozer because that is a more likely scenario.

 

And why are you focusing only Cleveland's backcourt D? Jamison cannot defend anymore - he proved that in the playoffs. Varejao is an undersized center. And, IIRC, Williams is not a good defender but West usually is.

 

I still think it's a little dubious to assume the Bulls will get Boozer when so many teams are freeing up cap space that they're going to blow on somebody.

 

I mentioned Cleveland's backcourt D because I know Jamison's a sieve and that Varejao is really damn good. I was saying it to say I don't know if adding defense to PER would help or hurt the Bulls cause.

[17 Seconds]

This offseason is shaping up to be disastrous for some teams. With the ridiculous offer from ATL to Johnson and the amount of teams with massive cap space, I think it's gotten pretty unlikely that any of the top 6-7 guys sign for anything less than the max.

 

Very scared to see how this plays out for the Bulls. We could either strike out (again), or we could overpay for talent that isn't good enough to win a championship.

 

Do we really want to give guys like Carlos Boozer and David Lee the max? The talk has been that those guys would come at a price below that, but I don't think so anymore.... especially if the Miami stuff ends up being true. I think we'd have to give those guys the max if we want them, and even that might not be good enough.

[17 Seconds]

richard jefferson just opted out of his 15 mil with the spurs

 

lollllll

 

lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

[imb]

richard jefferson just opted out of his 15 mil with the spurs

 

lollllll

 

lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

 

Is this a joke? Will he even get half that?

[17 Seconds]

nope. they confirmed it on nbatv

[RedFlash]

richard jefferson just opted out of his 15 mil with the spurs

 

lollllll

 

lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

 

Is this a joke? Will he even get half that?

 

No, but hey both NY and NJ are going to need SF very shortly.

[17 Seconds]

they probably want a good one though

[ELCABALLO45]

If you include defense.

 

Varejao > Noah.

 

I also heard that the Nets will be meeting with LeBron at midnight tonight.

[RedFlash]

If you include defense.

 

Varejao > Noah.

 

I also heard that the Nets will be meeting with LeBron at midnight tonight.

 

Bucher is reporting that Lebron will not be seeing any teams tonight, and that he wants a good night sleep before he starts this dog and pony show. Again, nobody is meeting LBJ tonight.

[shnsajax]

richard jefferson just opted out of his 15 mil with the spurs

 

lollllll

 

lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

 

Is this a joke? Will he even get half that?

 

Wow, great move for the Spurs.

[RynoRules]

richard jefferson just opted out of his 15 mil with the spurs

 

lollllll

 

lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

 

Is this a joke? Will he even get half that?

 

Wow, great move for the Spurs.

 

They must have pics of him naked ,playing golf with Satan.

[seanimal]

this is just a cartoon at this point.

[da bears]

posters on the bulls realgm site are now saying people like bucher and sam smith are saying lebron will stay in cleveland. what a dumb move for him, if true.

[17 Seconds]

posters on the bulls realgm site are now saying people like bucher and sam smith are saying lebron will stay in cleveland. what a dumb move for him, if true.

 

and 2 other people are saying he's going to miami. and 2 other people are saying he's going to chciago. and 2 other people say he's going to nj. and 2 other people are saying he's going to japan.

[17 Seconds]

apparently byron scott is going to the cavs.

 

would he accept that job if he didn't know lebron was coming back?

[da bears]

apparently byron scott is going to the cavs.

 

would he accept that job if he didn't know lebron was coming back?

if he was really desperate for a job. i said a few pages back i think lebron will stay with cleveland. sure there are a ton of rumors out there, but that one does make sense (well, not if he wants to win a championship or be a global icon, but as far as loyalty, yeah), unlike the miami rumor.