Bulls Offseason Thread

[RedFlash]

So apparently Bernstein on the Score yesterday decided to get everybody all worked up and suggest that Phil Jackson could come back to the Bulls and coach.

 

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/rosenblog/2010/04/will-the-zen-master-become-the-bulls-best-rumor-available.html

 

The rationale being that if he came back to the Bulls, that the likelihood of being able to get Lebron increases massively. Also, Jerry Krause (one of the big problems Jackson had with the Bulls) is gone. I don't think there's any real info backing this, but it's fun to consider.

 

The only flaw I see in this theory is that Phil would have to break up with Jeannie Buss (if they haven't already). Cause I don't see him working for the Bulls, or his g/f working for the Lakers. Too much conflict of interests. The only way I see Jax jumping ship from La-La land is if he sees a major decline very soon in the Lakers.

[Old Style]

today bosh made a "where should i go?" tweet on his twitter. we need bulls fans to flood it

I let him know Chicago is the place to be. :D)

[wolf stansson]

So apparently Bernstein on the Score yesterday decided to get everybody all worked up and suggest that Phil Jackson could come back to the Bulls and coach.

 

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/rosenblog/2010/04/will-the-zen-master-become-the-bulls-best-rumor-available.html

 

The rationale being that if he came back to the Bulls, that the likelihood of being able to get Lebron increases massively. Also, Jerry Krause (one of the big problems Jackson had with the Bulls) is gone. I don't think there's any real info backing this, but it's fun to consider.

 

The only flaw I see in this theory is that Phil would have to break up with Jeannie Buss (if they haven't already). Cause I don't see him working for the Bulls, or his g/f working for the Lakers. Too much conflict of interests. The only way I see Jax jumping ship from La-La land is if he sees a major decline very soon in the Lakers.

Jeannie Buss already spoke to the press about Phil leaving and that it wouldn't affect their relationship. Jerry Buss too. It sounds like a ploy to get Jerry to open the big wallet for Phil, but it's not impossible that he'd leave.

 

Btw, it's not just Bernstein. Marc Stein spoke about it with Bill Simmons on the BS Report.

[imb]

it would be very Phil-like to jump ship just as his current team is about to age past its championship window.

[SpongeWorthy]

it would be very Phil-like to jump ship just as his current team is about to age past its championship window.

 

You can't win with sarcastic smirks and pithy comments alone. You need players too.

[Wilson A2000]

Phil is getting what, $10 million a year? There is no way Reinsdorf is paying that is he?

[Guest]

So apparently Bernstein on the Score yesterday decided to get everybody all worked up and suggest that Phil Jackson could come back to the Bulls and coach.

 

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/rosenblog/2010/04/will-the-zen-master-become-the-bulls-best-rumor-available.html

 

The rationale being that if he came back to the Bulls, that the likelihood of being able to get Lebron increases massively. Also, Jerry Krause (one of the big problems Jackson had with the Bulls) is gone. I don't think there's any real info backing this, but it's fun to consider.

 

The only flaw I see in this theory is that Phil would have to break up with Jeannie Buss (if they haven't already). Cause I don't see him working for the Bulls, or his g/f working for the Lakers. Too much conflict of interests. The only way I see Jax jumping ship from La-La land is if he sees a major decline very soon in the Lakers.

Jeannie Buss already spoke to the press about Phil leaving and that it wouldn't affect their relationship. Jerry Buss too. It sounds like a ploy to get Jerry to open the big wallet for Phil, but it's not impossible that he'd leave.

 

Btw, it's not just Bernstein. Marc Stein spoke about it with Bill Simmons on the BS Report.

 

Yeah, I heard Jeannie talking about how the Lakers probably can't afford to keep Phil Jackson if the Lakers don't win it all this season. Just another reason to root against the Lakers.

[RedFlash]

Btw, it's not just Bernstein. Marc Stein spoke about it with Bill Simmons on the BS Report.

 

Yeah, I heard Jeannie talking about how the Lakers probably can't afford to keep Phil Jackson if the Lakers don't win it all this season. Just another reason to root against the Lakers.

 

In some ways I wouldn't mind seeing PJax ended his coaching career with the organization he should never have left. But on the flip side, I really doubt JR will shelled the dough needed to bring PJax back to Chicago, not to mention there is sog me speculation that the Knicks might come calling if Jackson does indeed becomes available....

 

But the Lakers would be stupid if they let PJax leave.

[wolf stansson]

Yeah, I heard Jeannie talking about how the Lakers probably can't afford to keep Phil Jackson if the Lakers don't win it all this season.

Which is absurd and probably a PR ploy to make Phil not look like a front running bad guy if he leaves considering a) how profitable the Lakers are and b) how much money they have contracted to mediocre players. If you're already all-in with this nucleus, you might as well pay the coach what he wants to try to salvage value by winning.

 

In some ways I wouldn't mind seeing PJax ended his coaching career with the organization he should never have left.

Why shouldn't he have left? There was noting on the returning roster for him and the organization shouldn't have the most expensive coach in the league if they aren't going to construct a roster worth the money you're paying him to coach.

 

Clearly the unraveling of the Bulls dynasty was mishandled, but there isn't really a playbook for how to rebound from losing the greatest player and collection of players in NBA history. Reinsdorf and Krause knew they'd have to erase the blackboard and build from scratch. Krause had the confidence that he knew how to do it. In his mind he constructed a dynasty, why shouldn't he think he could rebuild? Obviously he was wrong, but I don't begrudge him his confidence and Reinsdorf's confidence in him.

 

 

I don't know if that makes sense. Vodka and all that.

[Derwood]

never say PJax again

 

ever

[RedFlash]

Clearly the unraveling of the Bulls dynasty was mishandled, but there isn't really a playbook for how to rebound from losing the greatest player and collection of players in NBA history. Reinsdorf and Krause knew they'd have to erase the blackboard and build from scratch. Krause had the confidence that he knew how to do it. In his mind he constructed a dynasty, why shouldn't he think he could rebuild? Obviously he was wrong, but I don't begrudge him his confidence and Reinsdorf's confidence in him.

 

I will give Krause props for two moves, two moves only: A: the drafting of Horace Grant and B: The drafting of Olden Polynice that eventually led to the the acquisition of one Scot Pippien. Other then those two moves, Krause really had no hand in building that dynasty. Granted those two moves were big reasons why the Bulls were successful, but Krause got an overinflated ego based on the players who won. I think we saw the "Real" Jerry Krause: talent evaluator after the dynasty.

 

I don't mind Jackson leaving, it's how he left which was basically being forced out by Krause/Reinsdorf. Krause self-importaant cause the Bulls, IMO, at least two more championships, because he felt he could build a new dynasty. Well, he found out, he wasn't as good of a talent evaluator/GM as he thought he was.

[Derwood]

you don't give him credit for trading Will Purdue for Dennis Rodman?

[RedFlash]

you don't give him credit for trading Will Purdue for Dennis Rodman?

 

No, I don't. Everybody and their mama's would had made the move on behalf of the Bulls. So it's not as if Krause "found" Rodman, SA gave him to the Bulls. So what credit is there to be had when another team essentially hands you a player?

[Magnetic Curses]

it's not just the drafting of horace grant, it's the drafting of horace grant and the subsequent trade of charles oakley for bill cartwright that cemented the roles on that first 3-peat team.

[Sammy Sofa]

No, I don't. Everybody and their mama's would had made the move on behalf of the Bulls. So it's not as if Krause "found" Rodman, SA gave him to the Bulls. So what credit is there to be had when another team essentially hands you a player?

 

It's still a trade and you still need to get the player you want as opposed to someone else getting him.

Edited May 2, 2010 by Sammy Sofa

[Derwood]

you don't give him credit for trading Will Purdue for Dennis Rodman?

 

No, I don't. Everybody and their mama's would had made the move on behalf of the Bulls. So it's not as if Krause "found" Rodman, SA gave him to the Bulls. So what credit is there to be had when another team essentially hands you a player?

 

he was a player widely regarded as uncoachable and a bad locker room influence. Krause rolled the dice on him (hoping Jackson could wrangle him) and it paid off in spades.

[Magnetic Curses]

you don't give him credit for trading Will Purdue for Dennis Rodman?

 

No, I don't. Everybody and their mama's would had made the move on behalf of the Bulls. So it's not as if Krause "found" Rodman, SA gave him to the Bulls. So what credit is there to be had when another team essentially hands you a player?

 

he was a player widely regarded as uncoachable and a bad locker room influence. Krause rolled the dice on him (hoping Jackson could wrangle him) and it paid off in spades.

 

it wasn't about jackson doing anything with him. rodman was probably scared shitless of jordan, just like everybody else.

[Sammy Sofa]

Does he get credit for Kukoc?

[Magnetic Curses]

ooh, kukoc was the shiznit.

 

krause was the best GM that any chicago team has ever had and i wish it weren't true.

[RedFlash]

ooh, kukoc was the shiznit.

 

krause was the best GM that any chicago team has ever had and i wish it weren't true.

 

Ehhhh....I wouldn't say that....He was the most successful, but the best..........I don't know about that.

[Guest]

ooh, kukoc was the shiznit.

 

krause was the best GM that any chicago team has ever had and i wish it weren't true.

 

Ehhhh....I wouldn't say that....He was the most successful, but the best..........I don't know about that.

Your candidate for better would be whom?

[RedFlash]

ooh, kukoc was the shiznit.

 

krause was the best GM that any chicago team has ever had and i wish it weren't true.

 

Ehhhh....I wouldn't say that....He was the most successful, but the best..........I don't know about that.

Your candidate for better would be whom?

 

I don't have one...........but to call Krause the best GM Chicago team has ever had, is like saying Aaron Miles is the greatest ballplayer named Miles. Saying it doesn't make it true. I will call Krause the most successful GM, but he was a product of how good those Bulls teams were.

[imb]

ooh, kukoc was the shiznit.

 

krause was the best GM that any chicago team has ever had and i wish it weren't true.

 

Ehhhh....I wouldn't say that....He was the most successful, but the best..........I don't know about that.

Your candidate for better would be whom?

 

I don't have one...........but to call Krause the best GM Chicago team has ever had, is like saying Aaron Miles is the greatest ballplayer named Miles. Saying it doesn't make it true. I will call Krause the most successful GM, but he was a product of how good those Bulls teams were.

 

............. stop talking

[Sammy Sofa]

So the most successful GM isn't the best? Good luck arguing that, especially since the competition doesn't really offer up anyone close.

[RedFlash]

So the most successful GM isn't the best? Good luck arguing that, especially since the competition doesn't really offer up anyone close.

 

Billy Beane has been successful as a GM, but he is not regarded as the best GM in baseball. So being successful and being the best GM are not mutally exclusive. For instance, when Cashman eventual steps down as Yankees GM, will you consider the next Yankees GM the best GM if the Yankees continue to win? Being the best GM and being the most successful do not alway go hand in hand.