Week 1

[abuck1220]

i may have still won even with HBC getting burnett's start had heyward not hit a meaningless 9th inning hr.

[bukie]

Injury replacement Casey McGehee just won the game with a HR, and I end up getting more points anyway.

[cbbryan]

My understanding of the 8th start is the last start comes off. In this case, Carpenter for me.

 

Unless that's been changed.

[abuck1220]

that seems to be a pretty illogical solution which will reward the person who failed to follow the rules as often as it will punish them.

 

i think the solution is to take away that person's best start from the week, but, at the very least, they should be forced to take the worst of the sunday starts. there should be some punishment for not following the rules.

 

if you take away carpenter's start, chuck has been rewarded for using too many starts...especially since he said before either guy's start that he would have used carpenter over burnett had he been paying attention. he ends up better off than that he would have been had he followed the rules. that seems to be a pretty absurd result.

[shnsajax]

that seems to be a pretty illogical solution which will reward the person who failed to follow the rules as often as it will punish them.

 

i think the solution is to take away that person's best start from the week, but, at the very least, they should be forced to take the worst of the sunday starts. there should be some punishment for not following the rules.

 

if you take away carpenter's start, chuck has been rewarded for using too many starts...especially since he said before either guy's start that he would have used carpenter over burnett had he been paying attention. he ends up better off than that he would have been had he followed the rules. that seems to be a pretty absurd result.

 

Thats what I thought we have been doing.

[Guest]

I'm pretty sure we've always played it that you get your first seven starts, for better or worse. There's been talk about taking away the best start instead, but I don't think that ever became the rule, though I've certainly backed that opinion.

[bukie]

I seem to remember a discussion about it when it happened last year, and the suggestion was to make the penalty progressively worse the more times an owner did it. Can't find the thread right now, though. (and it doesn't help Adam at all in this case, either way)

[Guest]

As of now, the last start comes off. However, I seem to recall that repeated offenses might get dealt with more harshly to help put a stop to people not managing their teams. We need each team to police themselves to avoid the kind of things that were happening yesterday.

 

With that said, Juan has asked me to help him out with commish duties even more with his super busy schedule. I'm not sure how much more involved that will require me to be, but whatever I can do to help this league run smoothly, I will do.

 

As far as Adam's concerns regarding the last start vs. the best start, I don't know that I would be on board with that penalty for the first offense, but after the 2nd or 3rd seems reasonable. Let me also look into including GS (games started) being counted as a non scoring stat, which might help all of our managers keep track of how many starts they have used. We have that in another league I play in, and I think it can be helpful for everyone. I had a 0 point start this week, which gives the appearance that one of my guys hasn't pitched yet, when he actually did. I'll ask Juan what his opinions are as to when the penalties should become more harsh for repeated offenses.

 

Reading some of the chat, it appears that we have some scoring issues to deal with. Just so I don't miss any, please list each one here so that I can do what I can to fix them.

[bukie]

As of now, the last start comes off. However, I seem to recall that repeated offenses might get dealt with more harshly to help put a stop to people not managing their teams. We need each team to police themselves to avoid the kind of things that were happening yesterday.

 

With that said, Juan has asked me to help him out with commish duties even more with his super busy schedule. I'm not sure how much more involved that will require me to be, but whatever I can do to help this league run smoothly, I will do.

 

As far as Adam's concerns regarding the last start vs. the best start, I don't know that I would be on board with that penalty for the first offense, but after the 2nd or 3rd seems reasonable. Let me also look into including GS (games started) being counted as a non scoring stat, which might help all of our managers keep track of how many starts they have used. We have that in another league I play in, and I think it can be helpful for everyone. I had a 0 point start this week, which gives the appearance that one of my guys hasn't pitched yet, when he actually did. I'll ask Juan what his opinions are as to when the penalties should become more harsh for repeated offenses.

 

Reading some of the chat, it appears that we have some scoring issues to deal with. Just so I don't miss any, please list each one here so that I can do what I can to fix them.

- Chuck (HBC) had 8 starts. His last start of the week was Carpenter.

- Roadie (Kid Rodelo) had 8 starts. His last start of the week was Feldman.

- Karen (Sock it Thome) made an illegal substitution midweek when Magglio Ordonez replaced Michael Bourn.

[abuck1220]

so we're going to have to keep track of how many times a particular manager has failed to follow the rules? yeah, that will be a complete nightmare to keep track of.

 

i don't know why these benefits are given to the manager who can't count to 7. sorry, but there should be a penalty for using too many starts and forcing juan or whoever to go back and sort out all this crap. losing a -5.5 start and being rewarded with a WIN in a week you would have otherwise LOST is not so much a penalty as it is a really nice treat.

 

bottom line is, if chuck had used seven starts this week, he would have lost. plain and simple. instead, he is rewarded with a win just because of what times the games started. that's stupid.

[Guest]

so we're going to have to keep track of how many times a particular manager has failed to follow the rules? yeah, that will be a complete nightmare to keep track of.

 

i don't know why these benefits are given to the manager who can't count to 7. sorry, but there should be a penalty for using too many starts and forcing juan or whoever to go back and sort out all this crap. losing a -5.5 start and being rewarded with a WIN in a week you would have otherwise LOST is not so much a penalty as it is a really nice treat.

 

bottom line is, if chuck had used seven starts this week, he would have lost. plain and simple. instead, he is rewarded with a win just because of what times the games started. that's stupid.

 

I just posted in a sticky thread where Juan actually breaks down the penalties for abusing the starts rule. Don't shoot the messenger.

[Guest]

As of now, the last start comes off. However, I seem to recall that repeated offenses might get dealt with more harshly to help put a stop to people not managing their teams. We need each team to police themselves to avoid the kind of things that were happening yesterday.

 

With that said, Juan has asked me to help him out with commish duties even more with his super busy schedule. I'm not sure how much more involved that will require me to be, but whatever I can do to help this league run smoothly, I will do.

 

As far as Adam's concerns regarding the last start vs. the best start, I don't know that I would be on board with that penalty for the first offense, but after the 2nd or 3rd seems reasonable. Let me also look into including GS (games started) being counted as a non scoring stat, which might help all of our managers keep track of how many starts they have used. We have that in another league I play in, and I think it can be helpful for everyone. I had a 0 point start this week, which gives the appearance that one of my guys hasn't pitched yet, when he actually did. I'll ask Juan what his opinions are as to when the penalties should become more harsh for repeated offenses.

 

Reading some of the chat, it appears that we have some scoring issues to deal with. Just so I don't miss any, please list each one here so that I can do what I can to fix them.

- Chuck (HBC) had 8 starts. His last start of the week was Carpenter.

- Roadie (Kid Rodelo) had 8 starts. His last start of the week was Feldman.

- Karen (Sock it Thome) made an illegal substitution midweek when Magglio Ordonez replaced Michael Bourn.

 

Awesome. Thanks!

[abuck1220]

lol, i guess congrats to whoever the next person is that faces chuck when he uses an extra start. good luck keeping track of that mess.

 

pretty dumb rule. doesn't do a whole hell of a lot to dissaude you from not paying attention.

[Guest]

I think the assumption is that people will do their best and that it's going to happen rarely and by accident.

 

As for tracking, I'd suggest adding when it happens to the thread that got bumped by BBB.

[Guest]

I think the assumption is that people will do their best and that it's going to happen rarely and by accident.

 

As for tracking, I'd suggest adding when it happens to the thread that got bumped by BBB.

 

Yeah, that was my thought as well.

 

On a related note, if Karen's substitution of Maggs for Bourn is not allowed, does she get credit for any points Bourn would have received had he never been taken out of the line up? I'm assuming no.

[abuck1220]

fact of the matter is, chuck won our game solely because he used eight starts. any system that allows a team to win solely due to the fact that they failed to follow the rules is completely ridiculous.

[tadowdaddy]

fact of the matter is, chuck won our game solely because he used eight starts. any system that allows a team to win solely due to the fact that they failed to follow the rules is completely ridiculous.

 

The fact that there is a past thread addressing this negates what you are saying 100%. Additionally, Chuck was told when he was notified that he was over his starts that it would be Carpenter whose start didn't count, and he didn't argue with it. He did say that he'd rather start Carp over AJB, but AJB had already started pitching, which made it a moot point He couldn't pull AJB once he had already started pitching.

[Guest]

fact of the matter is, chuck won our game solely because he used eight starts. any system that allows a team to win solely due to the fact that they failed to follow the rules is completely ridiculous.

 

I disagree. A system that picks and chooses how to apply rules based on the amount of points each team has is way more ridiculous than applying the rules the same for everyone.

 

I can certainly understand your frustration, however. It's a crappy way to lose.

[abuck1220]

fact of the matter is, chuck won our game solely because he used eight starts. any system that allows a team to win solely due to the fact that they failed to follow the rules is completely ridiculous.

 

The fact that there is a past thread addressing this negates what you are saying 100%.

 

oh, was chuck relying on that old thread when he accidentally used 8 starts?

 

Additionally, Chuck was told when he was notified that he was over his starts that it would be Carpenter whose start didn't count, and he didn't argue with it. He did say that he'd rather start Carp over AJB, but AJB had already started pitching, which made it a moot point He couldn't pull AJB once he had already started pitching.

 

i guess i should have told chuck he was over his starts (as is my duty) the day before. i'll try and babysit my next opponent more carefully.

[abuck1220]

fact of the matter is, chuck won our game solely because he used eight starts. any system that allows a team to win solely due to the fact that they failed to follow the rules is completely ridiculous.

 

I disagree. A system that picks and chooses how to apply rules based on the amount of points each team has is way more ridiculous than applying the rules the same for everyone.

 

 

it's not a system that picks and chooses based on the points of each team.

 

the system i guess we have in place now rewarded him for breaking the rules. plain and simple. it has nothing to do with how many points either of us had.

[NCCubFan]

Just let Chuck count all 8 starts for last week, then penalize him by deducting a start this week. :D

[cbbryan]

I've been in this league every year since it started......I can count on one hand how many times I've gone over in starts.

 

It was an accident, I apologize for that.

 

The rules are stated in a sticky at the top of the Roadkill forum and while they happened to benefit me on this occasion, they won't from here on out. I don't think they need to be changed just because your panties are in a bunch Adam.

[karenmac]

I don't mean to be a stickler, but I thought you couldn't make changes mid-week on the lineup aside from injury concerns.

You can change SP to get your seven starts in. Other than that, you are generally correct.

I know Karen is new, she might have just not caught that in the rules when she switched out Bourn for Ordonez today.

No doubt in my mind that's what it is. I've been in other leagues with her and I don't think she'd try to get by with anything. The other baseball league we're both in is a daily change league, so that may just be what she's used to.

 

Darn, you guys are absolutely right. This is what I get for not showing up here more frequently. So when do rosters "lock" for a week? Sunday? I apologize, I was thinking this league worked like every other league I've ever been in and could be continuously updated. Thanks for setting me straight (and allowing me to understand what my "-29" penalty was for week 1 - lesson learned, and will be sure to have things appropriately locked in, so long as I know by when!!!

[Guest]

Darn, you guys are absolutely right. This is what I get for not showing up here more frequently. So when do rosters "lock" for a week? Sunday? I apologize, I was thinking this league worked like every other league I've ever been in and could be continuously updated. Thanks for setting me straight (and allowing me to understand what my "-29" penalty was for week 1 - lesson learned, and will be sure to have things appropriately locked in, so long as I know by when!!!

 

Starting pitchers can be rotated in and out to get the maximum 7 starts for the week.

 

As far as switching out anyone else, you can replace a guy who isn't playing (benched rather than team days off) or just got hurt in your line up, but you can't switch them back the rest of the week. If you have a guy coming off your DL that is your primary starter, the league typically allows you to switch that guy out. For example, if ARod was on the DL and midweek, he was coming off the DL, Tim would be able to put him back in and make that midweek replacement.

 

Basically, it's weekly roster moves only, except for some exceptions that are allowed to let you play with a full roster all week. This week, I have Ryan Zimmerman and Jacoby Ellsbury sitting due to mild injury. I could injury replace them today in my starting line up if I wanted, but I couldn't bring them back for the rest of the week. Replacing them would require roster additions, and I'd rather go without the starts for a day or two rather than lose them the rest of the week.

 

In your case, if Bourn was hurt on that first day or two, bringing in Maggs for the rest of the week would have been okay. We definitely don't allow roster changes due to player suckage, however. :grin:

[karenmac]

good deal - am I correct in assuming that the roster changes need to take place for the start of the "week" on Sunday, then? Just don't want to get messed up again!!!