Re: Theriot should be shopped

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[jersey cubs fan]

I thought you said stopped, and I figured he was mouthing off again.

 

Absolutely he should be shopped. I think he might have one cost effective season left in him, then you start running out of teams where he could be useful. For a team with as many question marks in the lineup as the Cubs, they really can't afford to have such a non-productive player locked into a position year after year.

[Sever82]

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Definitely not going to happen, he's the cubs version of kirk hinrich. Management likes him too much and wont deal him. Even if Starlin bats .500 in spring training and makes the big league club, the cubs would then shift theriot to 2nd. I dont like theriot either and i think his range and noodle arm costs us on defense but i dont see the cubs trading him away.

[Backtobanks]

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Definitely not going to happen, he's the cubs version of kirk hinrich. Management likes him too much and wont deal him. Even if Starlin bats .500 in spring training and makes the big league club, the cubs would then shift theriot to 2nd. I dont like theriot either and i think his range and noodle arm costs us on defense but i dont see the cubs trading him away.

 

You're right. The next problem is that while other teams may like him, what would they be willing to give up for him.

[Clem Fandango]

I didn't need to read the article to agree with that sentiment. The article just cemented the idea. I have very little faith that this team will be a playoff contender this coming year with the way this offseason has been handled thus far (as I'm sure most people do). Might be time to consider trading players who still have some sort of value left in them to maximize our return.

 

Me personally, I wish they'd consider putting Aramis on the trading block, NTC be damned.

[Sever82]

I didn't need to read the article to agree with that sentiment. The article just cemented the idea. I have very little faith that this team will be a playoff contender this coming year with the way this offseason has been handled thus far (as I'm sure most people do). Might be time to consider trading players who still have some sort of value left in them to maximize our return.

 

Me personally, I wish they'd consider putting Aramis on the trading block, NTC be damned.

 

To be honest, i think the cubs should not extend DLee and should try desperately to trade him and try to convince him to waive his no trade. I honestly feel they should trade ramirez and Dlee and somehow acquire Miguel Cabrera through the prospects they would get. Eventhough Cabrera is paid big money, he's very young, one of the best and could be your first baseman for many years. A lot of people dont want to trade Ramirez but if you're honest with yourself, he's injury prone, does still have a lot of value and he can opt out next year so why not trade him. I expect the cubs to contend for the division but they're not going to be good enough to win it all. They need to sell high in my opinion.

[Tim M]

I wouldn't hate dealing him but really what are we gonna get back? Probably a reliever similar to Matt Capps, who we're going to sign anyways. If Castro is the real deal then he's going to be moved anyways. Doesn't really make sense to deal him now when we don't know when Castro will be ready and in house replacements can't hit a lick.

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Definitely not going to happen, he's the cubs version of kirk hinrich. Management likes him too much and wont deal him. Even if Starlin bats .500 in spring training and makes the big league club, the cubs would then shift theriot to 2nd. I dont like theriot either and i think his range and noodle arm costs us on defense but i dont see the cubs trading him away.

 

You're right. The next problem is that while other teams may like him, what would they be willing to give up for him.

 

Sever is right, but I also agree with where you were going with your post. No one is going to offer that much for him, because he's not going to be cheap for very long. In fact, he'd probably be a non tender candidate as early as next year. This is another Kelly Johnson type of scenario.

[A New Era]

I agree with the Logan. This would be a great time to start rebuilding. Our window is closed, we have a new owner, and we have a stronger minor league system with a few good guys due up in a couple of years. I'd put everyone from Lee to Zambrano on the block and get as much solid pieces that would be ready to produce within the next couple of years.

 

I personally am ready for a new core. Don't get me wrong I love guys like Z, Lee, and Rammy. But they have not worked out and are getting past their prime. I'm ready for a new bunch with Soto staying, Wells, Marmol, Starlin, Vitters, Archer, ect. . plus all new guys from trades. I really wish the team I love would be doing that, it would be very exciting to me, actually.

[jersey cubs fan]

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Definitely not going to happen, he's the cubs version of kirk hinrich. Management likes him too much and wont deal him. Even if Starlin bats .500 in spring training and makes the big league club, the cubs would then shift theriot to 2nd. I dont like theriot either and i think his range and noodle arm costs us on defense but i dont see the cubs trading him away.

 

You're right. The next problem is that while other teams may like him, what would they be willing to give up for him.

 

Sever is right, but I also agree with where you were going with your post. No one is going to offer that much for him, because he's not going to be cheap for very long. In fact, he'd probably be a non tender candidate as early as next year. This is another Kelly Johnson type of scenario.

 

He doesn't have to be the sole piece of a trade.

[Tim M]

I agree with the Logan. This would be a great time to start rebuilding. Our window is closed, we have a new owner, and we have a stronger minor league system with a few good guys due up in a couple of years. I'd put everyone from Lee to Zambrano on the block and get as much solid pieces that would be ready to produce within the next couple of years.

 

I personally am ready for a new core. Don't get me wrong I love guys like Z, Lee, and Rammy. But they have not worked out and are getting past their prime. I'm ready for a new bunch with Soto staying, Wells, Marmol, Starlin, Vitters, Archer, ect. . plus all new guys from trades. I really wish the team I love would be doing that, it would be very exciting to me, actually.

 

All those guys have NTC's. Any type of rebuilding plan isn't going to happen. If the Cubs system continues to improve there won't be a need for those types of deals anyways.

[Clem Fandango]

I didn't need to read the article to agree with that sentiment. The article just cemented the idea. I have very little faith that this team will be a playoff contender this coming year with the way this offseason has been handled thus far (as I'm sure most people do). Might be time to consider trading players who still have some sort of value left in them to maximize our return.

 

Me personally, I wish they'd consider putting Aramis on the trading block, NTC be damned.

 

To be honest, i think the cubs should not extend DLee and should try desperately to trade him and try to convince him to waive his no trade. I honestly feel they should trade ramirez and Dlee and somehow acquire Miguel Cabrera through the prospects they would get. Eventhough Cabrera is paid big money, he's very young, one of the best and could be your first baseman for many years. A lot of people dont want to trade Ramirez but if you're honest with yourself, he's injury prone, does still have a lot of value and he can opt out next year so why not trade him. I expect the cubs to contend for the division but they're not going to be good enough to win it all. They need to sell high in my opinion.

 

Agreed. If Jim Hendry extends Derrek Lee, as much as I love the guy on the team, I'll be pretty livid. They need to cut him loose. If the club is out of it by the half, they should have no problem telling Lee "Hey, we don't plan on extending you" which should give him the hint that he needs to waive his NTC. Sell him on playing for a contender and it should be able to happen, in theory. Unless Lee is enamored with Chicago to the point where he'd like to play out his last few months of the season on a sinking ship

[Sever82]

I agree with the Logan. This would be a great time to start rebuilding. Our window is closed, we have a new owner, and we have a stronger minor league system with a few good guys due up in a couple of years. I'd put everyone from Lee to Zambrano on the block and get as much solid pieces that would be ready to produce within the next couple of years.

 

I personally am ready for a new core. Don't get me wrong I love guys like Z, Lee, and Rammy. But they have not worked out and are getting past their prime. I'm ready for a new bunch with Soto staying, Wells, Marmol, Starlin, Vitters, Archer, ect. . plus all new guys from trades. I really wish the team I love would be doing that, it would be very exciting to me, actually.

 

Totally agree, the thing that sucks though is that Hendry's such an idiot and gave NTC to Zambrano, Soriano and DLee. I mean eventhough you can't move soriano because of his contract, you would still have the option to trade him by eating up salary. Zambrano is still young, so in the case of Zambrano, best case would be to hope he has a all star season and his value increases dramatically or just keep him as your ace for years to come. I'm not to in line with trading Z but i do feel you have to deal Theriot, Ramirez, DLee, Soriano. As a cubs fan i wouldn't be dissapointed if the cubs started to rebuild because i would be excited about seeing some youth here and seeing that youth grow up. Kind like what the Blackhawks have done.

[Clem Fandango]

I agree with the Logan. This would be a great time to start rebuilding. Our window is closed, we have a new owner, and we have a stronger minor league system with a few good guys due up in a couple of years. I'd put everyone from Lee to Zambrano on the block and get as much solid pieces that would be ready to produce within the next couple of years.

 

I personally am ready for a new core. Don't get me wrong I love guys like Z, Lee, and Rammy. But they have not worked out and are getting past their prime. I'm ready for a new bunch with Soto staying, Wells, Marmol, Starlin, Vitters, Archer, ect. . plus all new guys from trades. I really wish the team I love would be doing that, it would be very exciting to me, actually.

 

Totally agree, the thing that sucks though is that Hendry's such an idiot and gave NTC to Zambrano, Soriano and DLee. I mean eventhough you can't move soriano because of his contract, you would still have the option to trade him by eating up salary. Zambrano is still young, so in the case of Zambrano, best case would be to hope he has a all star season and his value increases dramatically or just keep him as your ace for years to come. I'm not to in line with trading Z but i do feel you have to deal Theriot, Ramirez, DLee, Soriano. As a cubs fan i wouldn't be dissapointed if the cubs started to rebuild because i would be excited about seeing some youth here and seeing that youth grow up. Kind like what the Blackhawks have done.

 

There are ways of convincing your players to waive their NTC's... like say, telling them you can't afford them anymore and have no choice but to ship them off (What's up San Diego?). Or tell them you were given orders to go into a rebuilding process and that they don't fit into the teams future plans. Or if you want to be a dick about it, you can tell them they're not wanted anymore and bench them until they waive it......

 

That last one is a joke, though it would probably work if it came down to it :-))

[davearm2]

I agree with the Logan. This would be a great time to start rebuilding. Our window is closed, we have a new owner, and we have a stronger minor league system with a few good guys due up in a couple of years. I'd put everyone from Lee to Zambrano on the block and get as much solid pieces that would be ready to produce within the next couple of years.

 

I personally am ready for a new core. Don't get me wrong I love guys like Z, Lee, and Rammy. But they have not worked out and are getting past their prime. I'm ready for a new bunch with Soto staying, Wells, Marmol, Starlin, Vitters, Archer, ect. . plus all new guys from trades. I really wish the team I love would be doing that, it would be very exciting to me, actually.

 

Totally agree, the thing that sucks though is that Hendry's such an idiot and gave NTC to Zambrano, Soriano and DLee. I mean eventhough you can't move soriano because of his contract, you would still have the option to trade him by eating up salary. Zambrano is still young, so in the case of Zambrano, best case would be to hope he has a all star season and his value increases dramatically or just keep him as your ace for years to come. I'm not to in line with trading Z but i do feel you have to deal Theriot, Ramirez, DLee, Soriano. As a cubs fan i wouldn't be dissapointed if the cubs started to rebuild because i would be excited about seeing some youth here and seeing that youth grow up. Kind like what the Blackhawks have done.

I bet your excitement would fade quickly with the realization that the Cubs don't have nearly the young talent the Hawks do.

 

Take away Ramirez, DLee, Soriano and the Cubs start to look more like the Orioles or Royals than the Rays.

[Sever82]

I agree with the Logan. This would be a great time to start rebuilding. Our window is closed, we have a new owner, and we have a stronger minor league system with a few good guys due up in a couple of years. I'd put everyone from Lee to Zambrano on the block and get as much solid pieces that would be ready to produce within the next couple of years.

 

I personally am ready for a new core. Don't get me wrong I love guys like Z, Lee, and Rammy. But they have not worked out and are getting past their prime. I'm ready for a new bunch with Soto staying, Wells, Marmol, Starlin, Vitters, Archer, ect. . plus all new guys from trades. I really wish the team I love would be doing that, it would be very exciting to me, actually.

 

Totally agree, the thing that sucks though is that Hendry's such an idiot and gave NTC to Zambrano, Soriano and DLee. I mean eventhough you can't move soriano because of his contract, you would still have the option to trade him by eating up salary. Zambrano is still young, so in the case of Zambrano, best case would be to hope he has a all star season and his value increases dramatically or just keep him as your ace for years to come. I'm not to in line with trading Z but i do feel you have to deal Theriot, Ramirez, DLee, Soriano. As a cubs fan i wouldn't be dissapointed if the cubs started to rebuild because i would be excited about seeing some youth here and seeing that youth grow up. Kind like what the Blackhawks have done.

 

There are ways of convincing your players to waive their NTC's... like say, telling them you can't afford them anymore and have no choice but to ship them off (What's up San Diego?). Or tell them you were given orders to go into a rebuilding process and that they don't fit into the teams future plans. Or if you want to be a dick about it, you can tell them they're not wanted anymore and bench them until they waive it......

 

That last one is a joke, though it would probably work if it came down to it :-))

 

Ricketts supposedly Loves Dlee so moving him might not be an option but moving Ramirez might be.

[Clem Fandango]

I agree with the Logan. This would be a great time to start rebuilding. Our window is closed, we have a new owner, and we have a stronger minor league system with a few good guys due up in a couple of years. I'd put everyone from Lee to Zambrano on the block and get as much solid pieces that would be ready to produce within the next couple of years.

 

I personally am ready for a new core. Don't get me wrong I love guys like Z, Lee, and Rammy. But they have not worked out and are getting past their prime. I'm ready for a new bunch with Soto staying, Wells, Marmol, Starlin, Vitters, Archer, ect. . plus all new guys from trades. I really wish the team I love would be doing that, it would be very exciting to me, actually.

 

Totally agree, the thing that sucks though is that Hendry's such an idiot and gave NTC to Zambrano, Soriano and DLee. I mean eventhough you can't move soriano because of his contract, you would still have the option to trade him by eating up salary. Zambrano is still young, so in the case of Zambrano, best case would be to hope he has a all star season and his value increases dramatically or just keep him as your ace for years to come. I'm not to in line with trading Z but i do feel you have to deal Theriot, Ramirez, DLee, Soriano. As a cubs fan i wouldn't be dissapointed if the cubs started to rebuild because i would be excited about seeing some youth here and seeing that youth grow up. Kind like what the Blackhawks have done.

I bet your excitement would fade quickly with the realization that the Cubs don't have nearly the young talent the Hawks do.

 

Take away Ramirez, DLee, Soriano and the Cubs start to look more like the Orioles or Royals than the Rays.

 

I'd give my left nut to be in the Orioles position right now

[Guest]

We don't know what kind of payroll Ricketts is going to want to settle into at this point. Sure, he's paying over 140m now because he's basically stuck with that much. But, he might just prefer something in the neighborhood of what St. Louis is paying once all the big contracts start coming off the books.

[TheDude]

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Definitely not going to happen, he's the cubs version of kirk hinrich. Management likes him too much and wont deal him. Even if Starlin bats .500 in spring training and makes the big league club, the cubs would then shift theriot to 2nd. I dont like theriot either and i think his range and noodle arm costs us on defense but i dont see the cubs trading him away.

 

I can't agree that it 'definitely' won't happen, except in the context of today. I think Tim maybe jumped the gun at this point, as this is much more a reality in July or November of 2010. But production and promise will trump heart. If Castro shows in 2010 at whatever level he plays that he is the SS of the future, then Theriot's days are numbered no matter how much heart he brings.

 

The only way I see Theriot sticking should Castro emerge is by moving to 2B full-time. But the smarter move is to shop him at the deadline or next season.

[davearm2]

I agree with the Logan. This would be a great time to start rebuilding. Our window is closed, we have a new owner, and we have a stronger minor league system with a few good guys due up in a couple of years. I'd put everyone from Lee to Zambrano on the block and get as much solid pieces that would be ready to produce within the next couple of years.

 

I personally am ready for a new core. Don't get me wrong I love guys like Z, Lee, and Rammy. But they have not worked out and are getting past their prime. I'm ready for a new bunch with Soto staying, Wells, Marmol, Starlin, Vitters, Archer, ect. . plus all new guys from trades. I really wish the team I love would be doing that, it would be very exciting to me, actually.

 

Totally agree, the thing that sucks though is that Hendry's such an idiot and gave NTC to Zambrano, Soriano and DLee. I mean eventhough you can't move soriano because of his contract, you would still have the option to trade him by eating up salary. Zambrano is still young, so in the case of Zambrano, best case would be to hope he has a all star season and his value increases dramatically or just keep him as your ace for years to come. I'm not to in line with trading Z but i do feel you have to deal Theriot, Ramirez, DLee, Soriano. As a cubs fan i wouldn't be dissapointed if the cubs started to rebuild because i would be excited about seeing some youth here and seeing that youth grow up. Kind like what the Blackhawks have done.

I bet your excitement would fade quickly with the realization that the Cubs don't have nearly the young talent the Hawks do.

 

Take away Ramirez, DLee, Soriano and the Cubs start to look more like the Orioles or Royals than the Rays.

 

I'd give my left nut to be in the Orioles position right now

LOL [expletive] no.

[Clem Fandango]

I agree with the Logan. This would be a great time to start rebuilding. Our window is closed, we have a new owner, and we have a stronger minor league system with a few good guys due up in a couple of years. I'd put everyone from Lee to Zambrano on the block and get as much solid pieces that would be ready to produce within the next couple of years.

 

I personally am ready for a new core. Don't get me wrong I love guys like Z, Lee, and Rammy. But they have not worked out and are getting past their prime. I'm ready for a new bunch with Soto staying, Wells, Marmol, Starlin, Vitters, Archer, ect. . plus all new guys from trades. I really wish the team I love would be doing that, it would be very exciting to me, actually.

 

Totally agree, the thing that sucks though is that Hendry's such an idiot and gave NTC to Zambrano, Soriano and DLee. I mean eventhough you can't move soriano because of his contract, you would still have the option to trade him by eating up salary. Zambrano is still young, so in the case of Zambrano, best case would be to hope he has a all star season and his value increases dramatically or just keep him as your ace for years to come. I'm not to in line with trading Z but i do feel you have to deal Theriot, Ramirez, DLee, Soriano. As a cubs fan i wouldn't be dissapointed if the cubs started to rebuild because i would be excited about seeing some youth here and seeing that youth grow up. Kind like what the Blackhawks have done.

I bet your excitement would fade quickly with the realization that the Cubs don't have nearly the young talent the Hawks do.

 

Take away Ramirez, DLee, Soriano and the Cubs start to look more like the Orioles or Royals than the Rays.

 

I'd give my left nut to be in the Orioles position right now

LOL [expletive] no.

 

You clearly haven't been paying attention to the potential juggernaut they've been slowly building

[Guest]

You clearly haven't been paying attention to the potential juggernaut they've been slowly building

 

The key word being "slowly".

[wvcbxl]

Theriot should be shopped while he still appears cheap enough for other teams, but this being the Cubs there's no way this happens.

[davearm2]

I'd give my left nut to be in the Orioles position right now

LOL [expletive] no.

 

You clearly haven't been paying attention to the potential juggernaut they've been slowly building

I've been paying attention, thanks. A bug chunk of their "potential juggernaut" is in pitching prospects, and we know from history that a good share of those guys are likely to be exposed before reaching the HOF.

 

Seriously, for a franchise that's produced Brian Roberts, Mike Mussina, Erik Bedard, and Nick Markakis in the last two decades, it's hard to get too carried away with the "juggernaut" talk.

[davearm2]

You clearly haven't been paying attention to the potential juggernaut they've been slowly building

 

The key word being "slowly".

I'd say "potential" is the key word there.