NFL Week 14

[OleMissCub]

I can't imagine there is any way that Fitzgerald comes back into this game. That was a NASTY injury.

[CubbieBum]

I got home just in time for Warner's second interception. Have the Cards turned the ball over on every drive?

Pretty much. They went 3-and-out the first time out but I think they turned it over every time after that.

 

I think they may have had one other 3-and-out but I'm not sure. I remember the punt where Battle fair caught on the 18-yard line and I don't think that was the first drive.

[Roast]

I got home just in time for Warner's second interception. Have the Cards turned the ball over on every drive?

Pretty much. They went 3-and-out the first time out but I think they turned it over every time after that.

 

I think they may have had one other 3-and-out but I'm not sure. I remember the punt where Battle fair caught on the 18-yard line and I don't think that was the first drive.

You may be right.

[OleMissCub]

Madden Curse strikes again

[CubbieBum]

So I've had DirecTV for two years and never had ti go out for more than a couple minutes at a time. My dish has now been searching for single since the first play in the second half. It's not even doing the cutting in out. Just a black screen for about 15 minutes now. Awesome.

[Roast]

Madden Curse strikes again

Yep. Both Polamalu and Fitzgerald have had injury problems this year, now.

 

Go Madden.

[CubbieBum]

Madden Curse strikes again

Yep. Both Polamalu and Fitzgerald have had injury problems this year, now.

 

Go Madden.

 

Even in retirement he is hurting players.

[Guest]

 

I've always said it and I will say it again I would take T.O. in a heartbeat over him. Both cause problems but I'll take the one who always gives everything hes got.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nfl/news/story?id=4739953

 

I'd take the guy who's actually still good at football.

 

Figured someone would say this and ignore the crap T.O. is playing with in Buffalo. Since Jauron was fired 4.75 catches 84.75 yards and 0.75 TD's a game. For a season that would equate to 76-1356-12.

 

So you're expecting T.O. to have a 98-yard TD catch once every four games?

 

Take out that outlier and he's averaged 4.5 catches and 60.5 yards for a pace of 72-964-8. T.O.'s had one 100+ catch season (exactly 100) in 2002. His last 1200+ yard season was in 2007 and his last run of three straight was from 2000-02.

 

Brandon Marshall, on the other hand, is on pace for 106-1241-11 this year. In two full time years, he's had more 100+ catch seasons than T.O. had in his whole career and this would be his third straight. He's also on pace for his third straight 1200+ yard season.

 

It's pretty clear who the better receiver is at this point, even if you can't see it.

[Roast]

I can't imagine there is any way that Fitzgerald comes back into this game. That was a NASTY injury.

Oh, and I just had to quote this for funsies.

[CubbieBum]

 

I've always said it and I will say it again I would take T.O. in a heartbeat over him. Both cause problems but I'll take the one who always gives everything hes got.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nfl/news/story?id=4739953

 

I'd take the guy who's actually still good at football.

 

Figured someone would say this and ignore the crap T.O. is playing with in Buffalo. Since Jauron was fired 4.75 catches 84.75 yards and 0.75 TD's a game. For a season that would equate to 76-1356-12.

 

So you're expecting T.O. to have a 98-yard TD catch once every four games?

 

Take out that outlier and he's averaged 4.5 catches and 60.5 yards for a pace of 72-964-8. T.O.'s had one 100+ catch season (exactly 100) in 2002. His last 1200+ yard season was in 2007 and his last run of three straight was from 2000-02.

 

Brandon Marshall, on the other hand, is on pace for 106-1241-11 this year. In two full time years, he's had more 100+ catch seasons than T.O. had in his whole career and this would be his third straight. He's also on pace for his third straight 1200+ yard season.

 

It's pretty clear who the better receiver is at this point, even if you can't see it.

 

Marshall is better than T.O. at this point. Thanks for pointing out the obvious. However, this was about whether you would rather have Moss or T.O. at this point.

 

Oh and 72-964-8 is about as good as you can get when Fitzpatrick is throwing the ball to you and you have a brand new OC midway through the season.

[Roast]

Thanks for single-handedly ending my fantasy season with that fumble, Boldin. DIAF.

[ELCABALLO45]

Thanks for single-handedly ending my fantasy season with that fumble, Boldin. DIAF.

 

Sorry Roast but I kinda laughed at this

[Guest]

 

I've always said it and I will say it again I would take T.O. in a heartbeat over him. Both cause problems but I'll take the one who always gives everything hes got.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nfl/news/story?id=4739953

 

I'd take the guy who's actually still good at football.

 

Figured someone would say this and ignore the crap T.O. is playing with in Buffalo. Since Jauron was fired 4.75 catches 84.75 yards and 0.75 TD's a game. For a season that would equate to 76-1356-12.

 

So you're expecting T.O. to have a 98-yard TD catch once every four games?

 

Take out that outlier and he's averaged 4.5 catches and 60.5 yards for a pace of 72-964-8. T.O.'s had one 100+ catch season (exactly 100) in 2002. His last 1200+ yard season was in 2007 and his last run of three straight was from 2000-02.

 

Brandon Marshall, on the other hand, is on pace for 106-1241-11 this year. In two full time years, he's had more 100+ catch seasons than T.O. had in his whole career and this would be his third straight. He's also on pace for his third straight 1200+ yard season.

 

It's pretty clear who the better receiver is at this point, even if you can't see it.

 

Marshall is better than T.O. at this point. Thanks for pointing out the obvious. However, this was about whether you would rather have Moss or T.O. at this point.

 

Oh and 72-964-8 is about as good as you can get when Fitzpatrick is throwing the ball to you and you have a brand new OC midway through the season.

 

My bad, I'm [expletive]. Not sure where I got Marshall from.

 

As far as T.O. vs. Moss, for me it would depend on the situation. If you're talking about a horrible team like the Raiders, I'd take T.O. because Moss would completely shut it down (as we saw in Oakland). But if it's a good situation like the Patriots the last two years, I'd take Moss.

 

Basically, I think Moss' best is (and was at both of their peaks) better than T.O.'s best, but the unknown is if Moss is going to try all the time or not. If it's a decent team, I'd roll the dice with Moss and hope it pans out.

[CubbieBum]

As far as T.O. vs. Moss, for me it would depend on the situation. If you're talking about a horrible team like the Raiders, I'd take T.O. because Moss would completely shut it down (as we saw in Oakland). But if it's a good situation like the Patriots the last two years, I'd take Moss.

 

Basically, I think Moss' best is (and was at both of their peaks) better than T.O.'s best, but the unknown is if Moss is going to try all the time or not. If it's a decent team, I'd roll the dice with Moss and hope it pans out.

 

I can see both sides of the argument. It's just as a fan and hypothetical coach/GM I would never want players who will take plays off when he feels like it. Give me the guys who are so competitive and driven that one bad play is too much for them.

[Flames24Rulz]

As far as T.O. vs. Moss, for me it would depend on the situation. If you're talking about a horrible team like the Raiders, I'd take T.O. because Moss would completely shut it down (as we saw in Oakland). But if it's a good situation like the Patriots the last two years, I'd take Moss.

 

Basically, I think Moss' best is (and was at both of their peaks) better than T.O.'s best, but the unknown is if Moss is going to try all the time or not. If it's a decent team, I'd roll the dice with Moss and hope it pans out.

 

I can see both sides of the argument. It's just as a fan and hypothetical coach/GM I would never want players who will take plays off when he feels like it. Give me the guys who are so competitive and driven that one bad play is too much for them.

 

So because some boob on Carolina said Moss quit on his team, that means it's accurate? I'm not buying it. Moss hasn't been a problem at all in New England and it sounds more like sour grapes from Gamble's end than anything else.

 

Give me Moss over T.O. any day of the week.

[ELCABALLO45]

As far as T.O. vs. Moss, for me it would depend on the situation. If you're talking about a horrible team like the Raiders, I'd take T.O. because Moss would completely shut it down (as we saw in Oakland). But if it's a good situation like the Patriots the last two years, I'd take Moss.

 

Basically, I think Moss' best is (and was at both of their peaks) better than T.O.'s best, but the unknown is if Moss is going to try all the time or not. If it's a decent team, I'd roll the dice with Moss and hope it pans out.

 

I can see both sides of the argument. It's just as a fan and hypothetical coach/GM I would never want players who will take plays off when he feels like it. Give me the guys who are so competitive and driven that one bad play is too much for them.

 

So because some boob on Carolina said Moss quit on his team, that means it's accurate? I'm not buying it. Moss hasn't been a problem at all in New England and it sounds more like sour grapes from Gamble's end than anything else.

 

Give me Moss over T.O. any day of the week.

 

This

[CubbieBum]

As far as T.O. vs. Moss, for me it would depend on the situation. If you're talking about a horrible team like the Raiders, I'd take T.O. because Moss would completely shut it down (as we saw in Oakland). But if it's a good situation like the Patriots the last two years, I'd take Moss.

 

Basically, I think Moss' best is (and was at both of their peaks) better than T.O.'s best, but the unknown is if Moss is going to try all the time or not. If it's a decent team, I'd roll the dice with Moss and hope it pans out.

 

I can see both sides of the argument. It's just as a fan and hypothetical coach/GM I would never want players who will take plays off when he feels like it. Give me the guys who are so competitive and driven that one bad play is too much for them.

 

So because some boob on Carolina said Moss quit on his team, that means it's accurate? I'm not buying it. Moss hasn't been a problem at all in New England and it sounds more like sour grapes from Gamble's end than anything else.

 

Give me Moss over T.O. any day of the week.

 

Have you not watched Moss his whole career??? The question of whether he was quit on some plays came about in college and has been brought up in almost every year of his pro career including his first year or two when he was forced to return punts early on and he walked out of bounds on one (with no one around).

[Flames24Rulz]

As far as T.O. vs. Moss, for me it would depend on the situation. If you're talking about a horrible team like the Raiders, I'd take T.O. because Moss would completely shut it down (as we saw in Oakland). But if it's a good situation like the Patriots the last two years, I'd take Moss.

 

Basically, I think Moss' best is (and was at both of their peaks) better than T.O.'s best, but the unknown is if Moss is going to try all the time or not. If it's a decent team, I'd roll the dice with Moss and hope it pans out.

 

I can see both sides of the argument. It's just as a fan and hypothetical coach/GM I would never want players who will take plays off when he feels like it. Give me the guys who are so competitive and driven that one bad play is too much for them.

 

So because some boob on Carolina said Moss quit on his team, that means it's accurate? I'm not buying it. Moss hasn't been a problem at all in New England and it sounds more like sour grapes from Gamble's end than anything else.

 

Give me Moss over T.O. any day of the week.

 

Have you not watched Moss his whole career??? The question of whether he was quit on some plays came about in college and has been brought up in almost every year of his pro career including his first year or two when he was forced to return punts early on and he walked out of bounds on one (with no one around).

 

That's false. It hasn't been brought up at all since he's been on the Patriots until now.

[CubbieBum]

As far as T.O. vs. Moss, for me it would depend on the situation. If you're talking about a horrible team like the Raiders, I'd take T.O. because Moss would completely shut it down (as we saw in Oakland). But if it's a good situation like the Patriots the last two years, I'd take Moss.

 

Basically, I think Moss' best is (and was at both of their peaks) better than T.O.'s best, but the unknown is if Moss is going to try all the time or not. If it's a decent team, I'd roll the dice with Moss and hope it pans out.

 

I can see both sides of the argument. It's just as a fan and hypothetical coach/GM I would never want players who will take plays off when he feels like it. Give me the guys who are so competitive and driven that one bad play is too much for them.

 

So because some boob on Carolina said Moss quit on his team, that means it's accurate? I'm not buying it. Moss hasn't been a problem at all in New England and it sounds more like sour grapes from Gamble's end than anything else.

 

Give me Moss over T.O. any day of the week.

 

Have you not watched Moss his whole career??? The question of whether he was quit on some plays came about in college and has been brought up in almost every year of his pro career including his first year or two when he was forced to return punts early on and he walked out of bounds on one (with no one around).

 

That's false. It hasn't been brought up at all since he's been on the Patriots until now.

 

By the national media? No. By a lot of fans? Yes. The media didn't really talk about it except when he is leaving a team. When he left Minnesota they talked about how the Vikings didn't like his attitude or effort. In Oakland he was lambasted by everyone because it was obvious. In NE it hasn't gotten mentioned because they have won and he has put up good stats, however, it has still be noticeable in just about every game I have watched. He doesn't block a lot of the time when the run isn't coming right at him.