Marmol: Cubs going after Pedro?

[UMFan83]

ESPN's MLB Trade rumors is reporting this from an interview Marmol had with a Dominican Republic newspaper. Here is the article somewhat translated in English:

 

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2F10hpGc

 

He also indicated that the Cubs would like to hire Pedro Martínez, and fellow starting pitcher. Martinez is a free agent.

 

"I would like Peter to me. I hope that dream comes true because I've always wanted to be with him in a team!, Said the reliever."

 

I don't know if something was lost in the translation but I can't imagine why the Cubs would tell Marmol they were going after Pedro.

 

Also, he says the Cubs told him that he would be the 2010 closer.

[Guest]

Was Marmol drunk at a bowling alley again?

[Tyrant]

This is the worst basis for anything ever.

[Southpaw191679666239]

MLBTR...

 

The Cubs don't intend to pursue Pedro Martinez this offseason, according to Paul Sullivan of the Chicago Tribune.

[jersey cubs fan]

I would like Peter to me.

[MSG T]

MLBTR...

 

The Cubs don't intend to pursue Pedro Martinez this offseason, according to Paul Sullivan of the Chicago Tribune.

 

Honest question, because I don't remember, was Sully the one floating the MB-Vernon Wells rumor that was shot down a few days later. Or am I confusing my crappy Cubs reporters( excluding Bruce M).

[Guest]

btw - I love me some Pedro. I'd have to look it up, but I was on record of strongly wanting to sign him after the WBC last year.

[Shilzzz]

Really would like to see this happen, even if his stuff isn't near what it used to be. Good number 5 options, and just as cheap cost/benefit as anything else. I am a Pedro Martinez homer, though.

[CubbieBum]

Really would like to see this happen, even if his stuff isn't near what it used to be. Good number 5 options, and just as cheap cost/benefit as anything else. I am a Pedro Martinez homer, though.

 

With what he did this year I don't think he will be willing to be a No. 5 nor take an overly cheap contract and Pedro is a situation he doesn't like is not something I want to go through.

[Shilzzz]

Regardless of whether he pitches on the second day or fifth to start the season, I would like to have Pedro Martinez as the final piece to the Cubs rotation next year. There, better?

[CubbieBum]

Regardless of whether he pitches on the second day or fifth to start the season, I would like to have Pedro Martinez as the final piece to the Cubs rotation next year. There, better?

 

Hmm being the No. 2 is completely different than what you said so yes.

 

Playoffs, assuming we make it, would be the big issue and is also the time I wouldn't want any issues.

[Shilzzz]

I'll worry about getting to the playoffs before worrying about possible clubhouse chemistry or negative ego issues in the playoffs.

[jersey cubs fan]

Regardless of whether he pitches on the second day or fifth to start the season, I would like to have Pedro Martinez as the final piece to the Cubs rotation next year. There, better?

 

Hmm being the No. 2 is completely different than what you said so yes.

 

Playoffs, assuming we make it, would be the big issue and is also the time I wouldn't want any issues.

 

What in the world are you talking about? Guys don't sign as number 2 or number 5 starters, they sign the best contract they can get. As for what he did this year, Pedro threw 44 innings this year and was pretty good. He threw 100 the year before and sucked. Pedro is going to get a contract that reflects whatever team gets him expecting to get an occasional spot starter. He's not going to sign as a number 2, or a number 5.

[RynoRules]

How about we concentrate on trading Soriano for a bag of peanuts instead.

[CubbieBum]

Regardless of whether he pitches on the second day or fifth to start the season, I would like to have Pedro Martinez as the final piece to the Cubs rotation next year. There, better?

 

Hmm being the No. 2 is completely different than what you said so yes.

 

Playoffs, assuming we make it, would be the big issue and is also the time I wouldn't want any issues.

 

What in the world are you talking about? Guys don't sign as number 2 or number 5 starters, they sign the best contract they can get. As for what he did this year, Pedro threw 44 innings this year and was pretty good. He threw 100 the year before and sucked. Pedro is going to get a contract that reflects whatever team gets him expecting to get an occasional spot starter. He's not going to sign as a number 2, or a number 5.

 

Saying pitchers don't sign based on where they will be in the rotation is naive especially with someone like Pedro. He may not find one but I think he is going to be looking for a place that he won't be at the bottom of the latter i.e. looking for a place he knows he will start regularly and not be No. 5.

[davearm2]

Regardless of whether he pitches on the second day or fifth to start the season, I would like to have Pedro Martinez as the final piece to the Cubs rotation next year. There, better?

 

Hmm being the No. 2 is completely different than what you said so yes.

 

Playoffs, assuming we make it, would be the big issue and is also the time I wouldn't want any issues.

 

What in the world are you talking about? Guys don't sign as number 2 or number 5 starters, they sign the best contract they can get. As for what he did this year, Pedro threw 44 innings this year and was pretty good. He threw 100 the year before and sucked. Pedro is going to get a contract that reflects whatever team gets him expecting to get an occasional spot starter. He's not going to sign as a number 2, or a number 5.

 

Saying pitchers don't sign based on where they will be in the rotation is naive especially with someone like Pedro. He may not find one but I think he is going to be looking for a place that he won't be at the bottom of the latter i.e. looking for a place he knows he will start regularly and not be No. 5.

Just a guess on my part, but I suspect that Pedro would choose to be the #5 on a team with a good shot at the World Series over being the #2 or #3 on a team going nowhere.

 

Now whether the Cubs belong in the group of teams with a good shot at the World Series is certainly open to debate.

[jersey cubs fan]

Saying pitchers don't sign based on where they will be in the rotation is naive especially with someone like Pedro. He may not find one but I think he is going to be looking for a place that he won't be at the bottom of the latter i.e. looking for a place he knows he will start regularly and not be No. 5.

 

Naive? What you are saying is really stupid. Guys follow the money. They don't go to where they can be the #2 instead of the #5. They all freaking pitch. Number 5 pitcher isn't a position, neither is ace. They are all just starting pitchers.

 

Pedro barely pitched last year. He's not going to be a regular in anybody's rotation this year.

[Tyrant]

I THINK PEDRO WILL BE LOOKING FOR JOHN LACKEY MONEY$$$

[CubbieBum]

Saying pitchers don't sign based on where they will be in the rotation is naive especially with someone like Pedro. He may not find one but I think he is going to be looking for a place that he won't be at the bottom of the latter i.e. looking for a place he knows he will start regularly and not be No. 5.

 

Naive? What you are saying is really stupid. Guys follow the money. They don't go to where they can be the #2 instead of the #5. They all freaking pitch. Number 5 pitcher isn't a position, neither is ace. They are all just starting pitchers.

 

Pedro barely pitched last year. He's not going to be a regular in anybody's rotation this year.

 

Guys who have already made millions upon millions and are in their twilight years looking for a new mo ... err new team a lot of times don't go for the money. They go to a the best team that they will actually be able to play for.

 

And you are right ace and No. 5 pitcher aren't technical positions but they do factor into free agent SP's decisions. Saying pitchers don't want to be the ace or don't care if they are the last SP on the depth chart thus the one normally scratched or have their days of rest messed with is naive the first time you say it and stupid the second time. Pitchers do make decisions based on where they will be in the rotation. Some are looking to be the top dog who get the ball in the biggest games and some are looking to not be the bottom guy.

 

In Pedro's case he will almost definitely go to only a contender, figured it went without saying, but after that will be looking for what team will be wanting to use him most. I highly doubt money will matter much at all to him. This is from a story when he signed

 

He said he was picky about what team he wanted to pitch for, and spurned other organizations to pitch for the Phillies. Martinez hoped the Mets would show interest, but understood why they passed.

 

Pretty sure he didn't turn down other teams because they weren't offering the $1 million the Phillies gave him. I'm also pretty sure Pedro is going to be wanting a team that he will get to pitch in the playoffs for i.e. not be the No. 5.

[fromthestretch]

And you are right ace and No. 5 pitcher aren't technical positions but they do factor into free agent SP's decisions. Saying pitchers don't want to be the ace or don't care if they are the last SP on the depth chart thus the one normally scratched or have their days of rest messed with is naive the first time you say it and stupid the second time. Pitchers do make decisions based on where they will be in the rotation. Some are looking to be the top dog who get the ball in the biggest games and some are looking to not be the bottom guy.

 

The fact that someone is the #1 pitcher in a rotation doesn't necessarily guarantee that he will be in the biggest games. With injuries and off days, it's impossible to make that happen all the time. Where egos might come into play more would be the postseason rotation.

 

And I will bet that money is a much, much, much bigger factor into a free agent's decision than where they are in the rotation.

[Guest]

And you are right ace and No. 5 pitcher aren't technical positions but they do factor into free agent SP's decisions. Saying pitchers don't want to be the ace or don't care if they are the last SP on the depth chart thus the one normally scratched or have their days of rest messed with is naive the first time you say it and stupid the second time. Pitchers do make decisions based on where they will be in the rotation. Some are looking to be the top dog who get the ball in the biggest games and some are looking to not be the bottom guy.

 

The fact that someone is the #1 pitcher in a rotation doesn't necessarily guarantee that he will be in the biggest games. With injuries and off days, it's impossible to make that happen all the time. Where egos might come into play more would be the postseason rotation.

 

And I will bet that money is a much, much, much bigger factor into a free agent's decision than where they are in the rotation.

Well, the amount of money a team is willing to spend on Pedro is likely going to be directly proportional to the size of role they plan for him. The correlation won't be 100%, of course, but it is a decent rule of thumb.

[fromthestretch]

And you are right ace and No. 5 pitcher aren't technical positions but they do factor into free agent SP's decisions. Saying pitchers don't want to be the ace or don't care if they are the last SP on the depth chart thus the one normally scratched or have their days of rest messed with is naive the first time you say it and stupid the second time. Pitchers do make decisions based on where they will be in the rotation. Some are looking to be the top dog who get the ball in the biggest games and some are looking to not be the bottom guy.

 

The fact that someone is the #1 pitcher in a rotation doesn't necessarily guarantee that he will be in the biggest games. With injuries and off days, it's impossible to make that happen all the time. Where egos might come into play more would be the postseason rotation.

 

And I will bet that money is a much, much, much bigger factor into a free agent's decision than where they are in the rotation.

Well, the amount of money a team is willing to spend on Pedro is likely going to be directly proportional to the size of role they plan for him. The correlation won't be 100%, of course, but it is a decent rule of thumb.

 

Of course, but at this stage of his career, he's going to be happy to make a decent amount and know that he'll get the ball every fifth day when healthy. I doubt he's going to demand to be the opening day starter or anything like that.

[Shilzzz]

ZiPS has his end career projection at a 147 ERA+

 

This years line, however, has him at 66IP w/ 4.50 ERA and a 99 ERA+, though that's completely based on him being a Phillies pitcher playing in the NL East as it is currently rostered.

 

I just really love Pedro. That Grabow contract just irks me so grating; why wouldn't we give Billy Wagner that money, and just inquire about Pedro maybe coming out of the bullpen every so often for the first half of the season to keep his arm attached until the second half? I know he's not going to do it, but I think Martinez could be very effective from the pen, and if Wagner keeps up the numbers he threw at the end of last season... Why do they settle on boner faces like Grabow? Nothing personally, but, shouldn't Hendry have just, if he wanted to be nice and make Grabow rich beyond deserve, let him take the more lucrative Pittsburgh rumored offer? I just can't believe he did that.

[CubbieBum]

And you are right ace and No. 5 pitcher aren't technical positions but they do factor into free agent SP's decisions. Saying pitchers don't want to be the ace or don't care if they are the last SP on the depth chart thus the one normally scratched or have their days of rest messed with is naive the first time you say it and stupid the second time. Pitchers do make decisions based on where they will be in the rotation. Some are looking to be the top dog who get the ball in the biggest games and some are looking to not be the bottom guy.

 

The fact that someone is the #1 pitcher in a rotation doesn't necessarily guarantee that he will be in the biggest games. With injuries and off days, it's impossible to make that happen all the time. Where egos might come into play more would be the postseason rotation.

 

And I will bet that money is a much, much, much bigger factor into a free agent's decision than where they are in the rotation.

 

1. Of course it doesn't guarantee they pitch in the bigger games but teams will sometimes mess with the No. 5 starter's rest so the ace can go in a big series. Also I said it is mostly about the postseason rotation.

 

2. As I said, in Pedro's case money is not a big factor. His case is rare. He has already made load so of money and showed this season he will take a small contract to go to a contender. Most FA's obviously take money first or at least factor in heavily. Pedro will probably be looking for 1-teams winning likelihood, 2-position in rotation, 3-money.

[fromthestretch]

And you are right ace and No. 5 pitcher aren't technical positions but they do factor into free agent SP's decisions. Saying pitchers don't want to be the ace or don't care if they are the last SP on the depth chart thus the one normally scratched or have their days of rest messed with is naive the first time you say it and stupid the second time. Pitchers do make decisions based on where they will be in the rotation. Some are looking to be the top dog who get the ball in the biggest games and some are looking to not be the bottom guy.

 

The fact that someone is the #1 pitcher in a rotation doesn't necessarily guarantee that he will be in the biggest games. With injuries and off days, it's impossible to make that happen all the time. Where egos might come into play more would be the postseason rotation.

 

And I will bet that money is a much, much, much bigger factor into a free agent's decision than where they are in the rotation.

 

1. Of course it doesn't guarantee they pitch in the bigger games but teams will sometimes mess with the No. 5 starter's rest so the ace can go in a big series. Also I said it is mostly about the postseason rotation.

 

2. As I said, in Pedro's case money is not a big factor. His case is rare. He has already made load so of money and showed this season he will take a small contract to go to a contender. Most FA's obviously take money first or at least factor in heavily. Pedro will probably be looking for 1-teams winning likelihood, 2-position in rotation, 3-money.

 

I doubt where a pitcher is in a postseason rotation is a huge factor into where they are going to sign.

 

As far as Pedro, I think he's more focused on having a guaranteed spot in someone's rotation, regardless of whether it's the first or fifth spot. And to say that money isn't a big factor for Pedro is, to use your word, naive. No one was giving him the $5 million he wanted last season, so he sat out a couple months. If he thinks he's worth $3 million to someone this season, he's not going to settle for $1 million.