Re: Lincecum's Hairstyle Explained

[Cubbie Swagger]

Legalize it.

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Besides, nobody should care about Lincecum smoking pot because it's obviously not affecting his performance.

 

And to those asking about a potential DUI...

 

1. It's very unlikely that he was smoking a bowl while driving 74 mph on the interstate considering smoking a pipe requires two hands. It's possible but a little bit tricky. The officer probably just smelled the bag of weed and pipe since it was sitting right there in his center console.

 

2. There's nothing wrong with driving stoned unless you're a lightweight that never smokes.

[XZero771679666304]

 

2. There's nothing wrong with driving stoned unless you're a lightweight that never smokes.

 

BS. Driving stoned is no better than driving drunk. Unless you're talking about being slightly stoned, which is just as slippery a slope as saying it's okay to drive buzzed. People rationalize this crap to no end, but if you're faculties are impaired at all, you really have no business being behind the wheel.

 

And yes, I've smoked enough pot in my day to know precisely what I am talking about. Pot has a marked affect on your awareness/reaction time.

 

Having said that, I'm all for legalizing it. Too much time and money is wasted trying to stop people from doing something that is really no worse than drinking, and too many jail cells are taken up that should have real criminals in them. Quite frankly, I'm surprised they don't legalize it and tax it. I guess it's the stigma that is the problem. That and the fact that if it were legal, the cops couldn't seize it and smoke it themselves. God knows a couple of the cops in my hometown got high smoking my weed a few times. :-))

[Cubbie Swagger]

 

2. There's nothing wrong with driving stoned unless you're a lightweight that never smokes.

 

BS. Driving stoned is no better than driving drunk. Unless you're talking about being slightly stoned, which is just as slippery a slope as saying it's okay to drive buzzed. People rationalize this crap to no end, but if you're faculties are impaired at all, you really have no business being behind the wheel.

 

And yes, I've smoked enough pot in my day to know precisely what I am talking about. Pot has a marked affect on your awareness/reaction time.

 

Having said that, I'm all for legalizing it. Too much time and money is wasted trying to stop people from doing something that is really no worse than drinking, and too many jail cells are taken up that should have real criminals in them. Quite frankly, I'm surprised they don't legalize it and tax it. I guess it's the stigma that is the problem. That and the fact that if it were legal, the cops couldn't seize it and smoke it themselves. God knows a couple of the cops in my hometown got high smoking my weed a few times. :-))

If you smoke enough pot... it doesn't even impair you... it just makes you feel normal. And comparing alcohol to weed is like apples and oranges man... they aren't even close to the same thing. Alcohol is the most dangerous and destructive drug in the world and weed isn't even a drug. And yes, I have a Budweiser sitting next to me as I type this. With that said... I don't wanna start a huge debate in this thread. Seems to happen very easily with any discussion about weed or alcohol.

[Shilzzz]

they make more money off of people being imprisoned on petty weed charges than they would off of taxes were it legal. you pay for these things already in your taxes.

[XZero771679666304]

If you smoke enough pot... it doesn't even impair you... it just makes you feel normal. And comparing alcohol to weed is like apples and oranges man... they aren't even close to the same thing. Alcohol is the most dangerous and destructive drug in the world and weed isn't even a drug. And yes, I have a Budweiser sitting next to me as I type this. With that said... I don't wanna start a huge debate in this thread. Seems to happen very easily with any discussion about weed or alcohol.

 

Are you serious? Are you Tommy Chong? I'm sorry, but that is just ridiculous. All of it. The bolded part is just outright stupid.

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2. There's nothing wrong with driving stoned unless you're a lightweight that never smokes.

 

BS. Driving stoned is no better than driving drunk.

 

Driving drunk is wayyy worse

 

Have you even seen a person having trouble and stumbling while trying to walk? Have you seen a high person slur their speech and then puke everywhere? Have you ever seen a person pass out in a smoke shop from smoking too much weed?

 

I'm not saying it's okay to drive stoned, but it's not at all the same as driving drunk.

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If you smoke enough pot... it doesn't even impair you... it just makes you feel normal. And comparing alcohol to weed is like apples and oranges man... they aren't even close to the same thing. Alcohol is the most dangerous and destructive drug in the world and weed isn't even a drug. And yes, I have a Budweiser sitting next to me as I type this. With that said... I don't wanna start a huge debate in this thread. Seems to happen very easily with any discussion about weed or alcohol.

 

Are you serious? Are you Tommy Chong? I'm sorry, but that is just ridiculous. All of it. The bolded part is just outright stupid.

 

The bolded part is weird, but the rest is true

[XZero771679666304]

 

2. There's nothing wrong with driving stoned unless you're a lightweight that never smokes.

 

BS. Driving stoned is no better than driving drunk.

 

Driving drunk is wayyy worse

 

Have you even seen a person having trouble and stumbling while trying to walk? Have you seen a high person slur their speech and then puke everywhere? Have you ever seen a person pass out in a smoke shop from smoking too much weed?

 

I'm not saying it's okay to drive stoned, but it's not at all the same as driving drunk.

 

No, I'll admit driving drunk is indeed worse, but driving stoned is not all that much better. It just infuriates me the lengths people will go to to rationalize driving impaired. And being stoned, while it isn't as bad as many people would have you believe, does impair psychomotor skills. The flipside of the ridiculous "reefer madness" mentality is the equally ridiculous "pot is totally harmless" mindset.

 

And yes, I have seen people stumbling, bumbling, out of it, puking and passed out from weed. And more. It affects different people differently, and I have seen the gamut.

 

I am not some goody goody talking about something he has no experience with, trust me on this.

[XZero771679666304]

If you smoke enough pot... it doesn't even impair you... it just makes you feel normal. And comparing alcohol to weed is like apples and oranges man... they aren't even close to the same thing. Alcohol is the most dangerous and destructive drug in the world and weed isn't even a drug. And yes, I have a Budweiser sitting next to me as I type this. With that said... I don't wanna start a huge debate in this thread. Seems to happen very easily with any discussion about weed or alcohol.

 

Are you serious? Are you Tommy Chong? I'm sorry, but that is just ridiculous. All of it. The bolded part is just outright stupid.

 

The bolded part is weird, but the rest is true

 

To a degree. The bolded part is just bizarre. I suppose the idea is that you are somehow immune to the negative effects if you have developed a high tolerance. That's ridiculous, but it's a common rationalization. And it's cherry picking. So being a heavy pot smoker affords you the benefits and none of the drawbacks? Right.

 

But it makes you feel normal? Who smokes pot to feel normal? No one I know, and I know a crapton of stoners. If it made you feel normal, why would you do it? You could say it calms you, but that's not normal. People aren't clinically mellow normally. And if being baked is your normal, that's some pretty sad commentary on you.

 

Now if parts of your life have you so worked up you need pot to feel what used to be normal, you're dealing with it the wrong way. That's called escapism, and it's counterproductive.

[Cubbie Swagger]

To a degree. The bolded part is just bizarre. I suppose the idea is that you are somehow immune to the negative effects if you have developed a high tolerance. That's ridiculous, but it's a common rationalization. And it's cherry picking. So being a heavy pot smoker affords you the benefits and none of the drawbacks? Right.

First of all... I don't mean it makes you feel "normal" the way you think I mean it. Obviously it doesn't make you sober. One does not become "immune" to the negative effects of pot... just immune to the impairment of pot. People can't even tell when you're stoned and when you're not because you just act like a normal person.

 

But it makes you feel normal? Who smokes pot to feel normal? No one I know, and I know a crapton of stoners. If it made you feel normal, why would you do it? You could say it calms you, but that's not normal. People aren't clinically mellow normally. And if being baked is your normal, that's some pretty sad commentary on you.

 

Now if parts of your life have you so worked up you need pot to feel what used to be normal, you're dealing with it the wrong way. That's called escapism, and it's counterproductive.

I should probably mention that I'm a medical user and that I'm unable to function or be productive without it... escapism has nothing to do with it. If you wanna call it "sad" that I'm baked all the time... that's up to you. However, if you knew me I think you would probably change your mind.

 

Everyone has their own opinion on the subject and there is no right answer. It's just an opinion.

[Shilzzz]

Cubbie Shwagger?

[Cubbie Swagger]

Cubbie Shwagger?

Far from it :wink:

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cubbie kindbuder

[Cubbie Swagger]

they make more money off of people being imprisoned on petty weed charges than they would off of taxes were it legal. you pay for these things already in your taxes.

I just noticed this comment. Please explain to me how they make money imprisoning people. Do you know how much it costs to keep a person in jail? What they make money off of is fines and probation fees... not locking people up... that's where they lose money.

[jersey cubs fan]

Obviously it doesn't make you sober. One does not become "immune" to the negative effects of pot... just immune to the impairment of pot. People can't even tell when you're stoned and when you're not because you just act like a normal person.

 

Only a pot head would think nobody can tell that they are a pot head or that they are acting like a normal person when stoned.

 

 

Hate to lay it out there, but we can tell, and most of us are cool with it.

[wekse]

Obviously it doesn't make you sober. One does not become "immune" to the negative effects of pot... just immune to the impairment of pot. People can't even tell when you're stoned and when you're not because you just act like a normal person.

 

Only a pot head would think nobody can tell that they are a pot head or that they are acting like a normal person when stoned.

 

 

Hate to lay it out there, but we can tell, and most of us are cool with it.

 

not everyone can tell...i dated a girl for quite some time and she could never tell when i was or wasn't stoned.

 

pretty sure my boss can't tell i'm stoned right now either ;)

[jersey cubs fan]

Obviously it doesn't make you sober. One does not become "immune" to the negative effects of pot... just immune to the impairment of pot. People can't even tell when you're stoned and when you're not because you just act like a normal person.

 

Only a pot head would think nobody can tell that they are a pot head or that they are acting like a normal person when stoned.

 

 

Hate to lay it out there, but we can tell, and most of us are cool with it.

 

not everyone can tell...i dated a girl for quite some time and she could never tell when i was or wasn't stoned.

 

pretty sure my boss can't tell i'm stoned right now either ;)

 

The boss probably just assumes you're always stoned.

[Shilzzz]

they make more money off of people being imprisoned on petty weed charges than they would off of taxes were it legal. you pay for these things already in your taxes.

I just noticed this comment. Please explain to me how they make money imprisoning people. Do you know how much it costs to keep a person in jail? What they make money off of is fines and probation fees... not locking people up... that's where they lose money.

 

Basically a large (LARGE) percentage of people incarcerated are in jail for petty drug charges. the way the system works is that if a person is sentenced to, lets say for instance, a year in jail for intent to distribute, they only serve 3 months (iirc) of their sentence, and are released. well, for us tax payers, we still pay for the entire year of the term, so the system gets, what, 300% more money on taxes than it actually costs to hold a prisoner. And with the prisons overpacked (the jail here in peoria county where the rapist just escaped was about 150 over capacity, with inmates sleeping on the floor), you can see how that adds up quickly. So, sure, the state is going to make a lot of money taxing decriminalized drugs, but between the jail money and all the money they already cease (including vehicles, houses, etc) from drug busts, you can see why they have no need to decriminalize any time soon. I don't think it's right the way the system is (i haven't touched weed in years, though i used to smoke alot back in the day, fwiw), and the state obviously isn't in the interest of rehabilitation, but they bank, and are able to make more money from taxes they need to charge by employing the swat teams, prison guards, wardens, general police, drug czars, and all those good people.

[Careless]

they make more money off of people being imprisoned on petty weed charges than they would off of taxes were it legal. you pay for these things already in your taxes.

I just noticed this comment. Please explain to me how they make money imprisoning people. Do you know how much it costs to keep a person in jail? What they make money off of is fines and probation fees... not locking people up... that's where they lose money.

 

Basically a large (LARGE) percentage of people incarcerated are in jail for petty drug charges. the way the system works is that if a person is sentenced to, lets say for instance, a year in jail for intent to distribute, they only serve 3 months (iirc) of their sentence, and are released. well, for us tax payers, we still pay for the entire year of the term, so the system gets, what, 300% more money on taxes than it actually costs to hold a prisoner. And with the prisons overpacked (the jail here in peoria county where the rapist just escaped was about 150 over capacity, with inmates sleeping on the floor), you can see how that adds up quickly. So, sure, the state is going to make a lot of money taxing decriminalized drugs, but between the jail money and all the money they already cease (including vehicles, houses, etc) from drug busts, you can see why they have no need to decriminalize any time soon. I don't think it's right the way the system is (i haven't touched weed in years, though i used to smoke alot back in the day, fwiw), and the state obviously isn't in the interest of rehabilitation, but they bank, and are able to make more money from taxes they need to charge by employing the swat teams, prison guards, wardens, general police, drug czars, and all those good people.

This makes absolutely no sense unless you believe the prison industry is writing drug laws. Every other taxpayer funded thing fights them for those dollars.

[Shilzzz]

Ever heard of the Rockefeller drug laws? This makes no sense because other organizations are fighting them for tax dollars? I really don't know what doesn't make sense about what I said. The state already is banking off of drugs as is, and therefore don't need to legalize to profit.

[Careless]

No, the government is spending billions of dollars most of it would rather be spending on other things. Arresting people doesn't make the state money, it costs it money. It makes prison guards money and private prisons get more money (although I doubt they get fully paid for fractional residency as you seem to be claiming)

[Shilzzz]

No, they do get paid that way. Look it up. Who do you think is paying for all that stuff? The prison money fairy? Look at the incarceration rates after the Rockefeller drug laws, and the "war on drugs," and i think you will see where i am getting this. I understand it teeters on conspiracy non-sense, but, really, this is why it hasn't been decriminalized. They make money now. Money is always, always the bottom line with the law makers. Nothing else matters. So why else wouldn't they legalize something that obviously isn't very harmful? Because they are scared people will get lazy? Nah. Because the general population is afraid of Reefer Madness? I think we are past that at this point. They find every way possible to maximize profits; these guys come up with ways to take your loose change in the middle of a highway for crying out loud.

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Obviously it doesn't make you sober. One does not become "immune" to the negative effects of pot... just immune to the impairment of pot. People can't even tell when you're stoned and when you're not because you just act like a normal person.

 

Only a pot head would think nobody can tell that they are a pot head or that they are acting like a normal person when stoned.

 

 

Hate to lay it out there, but we can tell, and most of us are cool with it.

 

i really don't think you understand how many people smoke.

 

sorry, but you're wrong. of course you can tell some people smoke, but to say that you can recognize every person who is stoned is pretty ignorant. i'd say the amjority of the time, you can't tell.

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Obviously it doesn't make you sober. One does not become "immune" to the negative effects of pot... just immune to the impairment of pot. People can't even tell when you're stoned and when you're not because you just act like a normal person.

 

Only a pot head would think nobody can tell that they are a pot head or that they are acting like a normal person when stoned.

 

 

Hate to lay it out there, but we can tell, and most of us are cool with it.

 

not everyone can tell...i dated a girl for quite some time and she could never tell when i was or wasn't stoned.

 

pretty sure my boss can't tell i'm stoned right now either ;)

 

The boss probably just assumes you're always stoned.

 

your opinions on this matter seem very naive.

[Careless]

No, they do get paid that way. Look it up. Who do you think is paying for all that stuff? The prison money fairy? Look at the incarceration rates after the Rockefeller drug laws, and the "war on drugs," and i think you will see where i am getting this. I understand it teeters on conspiracy non-sense, but, really, this is why it hasn't been decriminalized. They make money now. Money is always, always the bottom line with the law makers. Nothing else matters. So why else wouldn't they legalize something that obviously isn't very harmful? Because they are scared people will get lazy? Nah. Because the general population is afraid of Reefer Madness? I think we are past that at this point. They find every way possible to maximize profits; these guys come up with ways to take your loose change in the middle of a highway for crying out loud.

A) whether or not you're right about prisons being paid for prisoners they don't imprison, that has nothing to do with any legislation. You're acting like a crazy person here. How does the government make money by spending money and not increasing taxes? Prisoners don't pay rent. Very, very few of them could possibly afford what it costs to house prisoners on a monthly basis. Not holding prisoners in prison just means they're spending less, not that they're making a profit. The private prison lobby, compared to the major lobbies, is pathetically weak and incapable of doing what you think it does.

B) Why would the government pay private contractors to not hold prisoners?