You are the new GM of the Cubs

[TruffleShuffle]

it would be hilarious to watch soriano's little brother granderson man the lead off spot next season

 

christ...come up with better ideas people!

 

How is Granderson a little Soriano?

 

His numbers this year were very Soriano like... at least, Texas-era Soriano. But I think those numbers are clearly an aberration, though they were still pretty impressive for a center fielder. Either way, if Soriano were more like Granderson I don't think people would be any happier. Granderson is great. I don't know what A-Cal is talking about.

 

 

here's to hoping he pulls his head out of his ass next season...i guess i am just bitter because he was on one of my fantasy squads this season and i couldn't trade him and every time i benched him...HR...

 

:sorry:

 

granderson got boned over on batted balls this year... he's really good.

[MSG T]

I have such a sour taste in my mouth over these guys and have over the years watched these free agent built teams of the Cubs fail that I would go the extreme-trade everyone that I can for prospects and rebuild. It would upset the fans, but years down the line it would be worth it.

 

Stuck with Soriano and Fukudome, but if I can talk guys like Z and Lee into being traded to good teams, I'd do it. If Dempster, Lilly don't have trade clauses--they would go too. Theriot gets traded and I keep cheapo Miles and Fontenot around. Ramirez has an option for 2011 that he can decline if the Cubs continue to languish, so I would trade him with his permission since he would be declining his option anyways. Soto stays, Grabow stays, Samardjia stays,Harden gets arbitration and we keep him. Bradley gets dumped for someone else's junk. Johnson, Blanco, Marmol,Fox,Hoffpauer and Fuld also stay. Keep Gregg since you cant get anything for him anyways.

 

The team sucks bad for three years, but gets say---9 good prospects out of these trades. Simultaneously build up the farm system, get a new scouting director and development coaches....and hopefully in three years you've got a young and hungry nucleus of good kids, and with tweaking and free agent signings along with high draft picks the team can be good for the next 10 years.

 

I know it's farfetched and big market teams don't operate this way, but it would be nice to see consistent long term winning out of the Cubs. A Twinslike plan would eventually get them there......the only difference is that once they are on the verge of winning I'd actually go out and get players(like Philly and the Dodgers did) to put them over the top.

 

 

 

Miles is not cheap.

 

You'd get what, 3 years of Fontenot and Theriot for 1 year of Miles. Besides the fact that he's really, really bad at baseball.

[Mugged By Fluffy]

I have such a sour taste in my mouth over these guys and have over the years watched these free agent built teams of the Cubs fail that I would go the extreme-trade everyone that I can for prospects and rebuild. It would upset the fans, but years down the line it would be worth it.

 

Stuck with Soriano and Fukudome, but if I can talk guys like Z and Lee into being traded to good teams, I'd do it. If Dempster, Lilly don't have trade clauses--they would go too. Theriot gets traded and I keep cheapo Miles and Fontenot around. Ramirez has an option for 2011 that he can decline if the Cubs continue to languish, so I would trade him with his permission since he would be declining his option anyways. Soto stays, Grabow stays, Samardjia stays,Harden gets arbitration and we keep him. Bradley gets dumped for someone else's junk. Johnson, Blanco, Marmol,Fox,Hoffpauer and Fuld also stay. Keep Gregg since you cant get anything for him anyways.

 

The team sucks bad for three years, but gets say---9 good prospects out of these trades. Simultaneously build up the farm system, get a new scouting director and development coaches....and hopefully in three years you've got a young and hungry nucleus of good kids, and with tweaking and free agent signings along with high draft picks the team can be good for the next 10 years.

 

I know it's farfetched and big market teams don't operate this way, but it would be nice to see consistent long term winning out of the Cubs. A Twinslike plan would eventually get them there......the only difference is that once they are on the verge of winning I'd actually go out and get players(like Philly and the Dodgers did) to put them over the top.

 

This seems like a massive overreaction. You'd think the Cubs lost 100 games reading something like this.

 

The Cubs can't trade Gregg because he's not theirs to trade. Johnson is also not theirs to "keep," nor is Grabow.

 

Miles is not cheap.

 

Then let Gregg go, let Johnson and Grabow go, and take your lumps with Miles and his contract if you can't trade him. I know it's a major overreaction, but I am just sick of seeing the same plan not working. If you're saddled with big contracts(some that are tradeable),have little in the minors that you would be willing to trade(or worth trading) and have a core of a team that has proven in the last 3 years that they can't make it far into the playoffs, then try and start over. This Mets style of trying to win isn't working for them.

[SouthSideRyan]

 

Then let Gregg go, let Johnson and Grabow go, and take your lumps with Miles and his contract if you can't trade him. I know it's a major overreaction, but I am just sick of seeing the same plan not working. If you're saddled with big contracts(some that are tradeable),have little in the minors that you would be willing to trade(or worth trading) and have a core of a team that has proven in the last 3 years that they can't make it far into the playoffs, then try and start over. This Mets style of trying to win isn't working for them.

 

How many years of postseason failure proves a team can't go far in the playoffs? Should the Angels start selling off pieces? How about the Yankees?

[MSG T]

 

Then let Gregg go, let Johnson and Grabow go, and take your lumps with Miles and his contract if you can't trade him. I know it's a major overreaction, but I am just sick of seeing the same plan not working. If you're saddled with big contracts(some that are tradeable),have little in the minors that you would be willing to trade(or worth trading) and have a core of a team that has proven in the last 3 years that they can't make it far into the playoffs, then try and start over. This Mets style of trying to win isn't working for them.

 

How many years of postseason failure proves a team can't go far in the playoffs? Should the Angels start selling off pieces? How about the Yankees?

 

 

Hmmm,

 

Twins model- 5 postseasons in 10 years, 0 WS appearances

 

Yankees model- 9 postseasons in 10 years- 3 WS appearances- 1 win

 

Red Sox model- 6 postseasons in 10 years- 2 WS appearances- 1 win

 

Cardinal model- 7 postseasons in 10 years- 2 WS appearances- 1 win

 

My point? You make it to the postseason enough, you're bound to make a WS once in a while. I'd much rather go with Hendry copying NYY, Bosox or Cards ( or even the Braves during their 15 year run) methods than the Twins. At least those teams have been to and won a WS recently. The Twins method works for them because they don't have the money to spend, the Cubs do. The problem is that Hendry doesn't know how to spend that money. I will agree, they don't need to compare to the Mets, but becoming Twins-like isn't needed. What is needed is to spend the money they have rationally.

[SouthSideRyan]

What is the Mets style of trying? Get a few really good players and fill in the gaps with flaming poop? How are the Cubs doing that exactly?

[MSG T]

What is the Mets style of trying? Get a few really good players and fill in the gaps with flaming poop? How are the Cubs doing that exactly?

 

Evidently, it's throwing marbles, banana peels, oil or whatever else they can to try to get their entire 40 man roster on the DL at the same time. It worked this year.

[NCCubFan]

Red Sox model- 6 postseasons in 10 years- 2 WS appearances- 1 win

Minor nitpick, but the Red Sox actually have two WS wins during that time (2004, 2007).

[MSG T]

Red Sox model- 6 postseasons in 10 years- 2 WS appearances- 1 win

Minor nitpick, but the Red Sox actually have two WS wins during that time (2004, 2007).

 

 

I knew that, my bad. Don't know why I put 1 instead of 2.