Smoltz to Cardinals

[Schwarber Fan]

Yeah that's still pixie dust range for me

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First two starts with the Cards: 11 IP, 7 H, 1 BB, 1 R, 1 ER, 0.82 ERA, .727 WHIP, 15 K.

 

Last five starts with the Cards: 27 IP, 29 H, 8 BB, 17 R, 17 ER, 5.67 ERA, 1.37 WHIP, 25 K.

 

highly skewed due to your arbitrary start and end points

[Guest]

First two starts with the Cards: 11 IP, 7 H, 1 BB, 1 R, 1 ER, 0.82 ERA, .727 WHIP, 15 K.

 

Last five starts with the Cards: 27 IP, 29 H, 8 BB, 17 R, 17 ER, 5.67 ERA, 1.37 WHIP, 25 K.

 

highly skewed due to your arbitrary start and end points

 

And his first six starts stats that NPC posted are highly skewed by Smoltz's ridiculously good first two starts.

 

My point was that some people were freaking out that Smoltz had two great starts right after going to the Cardinals and started spouting all of that pixie dust BS but since then he's been average at best.

 

His two starts against the Brewers (4 ER in 6 IP and 3 ER in 5 IP) were below average, though his WHIP and K's were solid. He had solid starts against the Cubs and Houston before getting lit up by Cincinnati. So in his last five starts, two were good, two were below average and one was bad. That's probably slightly below average overall. His ERA in those starts is a run worse than the NL starters average but the WHIP is right at the average.

[17 Seconds]

First two starts with the Cards: 11 IP, 7 H, 1 BB, 1 R, 1 ER, 0.82 ERA, .727 WHIP, 15 K.

 

Last five starts with the Cards: 27 IP, 29 H, 8 BB, 17 R, 17 ER, 5.67 ERA, 1.37 WHIP, 25 K.

 

highly skewed due to your arbitrary start and end points

 

And his first six starts stats that NPC posted are highly skewed by Smoltz's ridiculously good first two starts.

 

My point was that some people were freaking out that Smoltz had two great starts right after going to the Cardinals and started spouting all of that pixie dust BS but since then he's been average at best.

 

His two starts against the Brewers (4 ER in 6 IP and 3 ER in 5 IP) were below average, though his WHIP and K's were solid. He had solid starts against the Cubs and Houston before getting lit up by Cincinnati. So in his last five starts, two were good, two were below average and one was bad. That's probably slightly below average overall. His ERA in those starts is a run worse than the NL starters average but the WHIP is right at the average.

 

why are you using era and writing off whip and k/bb?

 

he has been good in 5 of his 7 starts

[SouthSideRyan]

why are you using era and writing off whip and k/bb?

 

he has been good in 5 of his 7 starts

 

Because his whip and k/bb were good with Boston too. The reason Smoltz sucked with Boston wasn't due to bad peripherals, it was because he was getting the living hell beat out of him every time they made contact. Smoltz is the guy that isn't accounted for by FIP because he'd have ordinarily been weeded out of the majors by now. The reason FIP works is when you get to the majors the guys that get the crap beat out of them on balls in play are out of the league.

[Guest]

First two starts with the Cards: 11 IP, 7 H, 1 BB, 1 R, 1 ER, 0.82 ERA, .727 WHIP, 15 K.

 

Last five starts with the Cards: 27 IP, 29 H, 8 BB, 17 R, 17 ER, 5.67 ERA, 1.37 WHIP, 25 K.

 

highly skewed due to your arbitrary start and end points

 

And his first six starts stats that NPC posted are highly skewed by Smoltz's ridiculously good first two starts.

 

My point was that some people were freaking out that Smoltz had two great starts right after going to the Cardinals and started spouting all of that pixie dust BS but since then he's been average at best.

 

His two starts against the Brewers (4 ER in 6 IP and 3 ER in 5 IP) were below average, though his WHIP and K's were solid. He had solid starts against the Cubs and Houston before getting lit up by Cincinnati. So in his last five starts, two were good, two were below average and one was bad. That's probably slightly below average overall. His ERA in those starts is a run worse than the NL starters average but the WHIP is right at the average.

 

why are you using era and writing off whip and k/bb?

 

he has been good in 5 of his 7 starts

 

Who says I'm writing off WHIP and K/BB. His ERA being a run worse than average in those five starts is bad but his WHIP was average. I said he was slightly below average.

 

He's also given up 12 XBH out of his 29 in that run (41 percent), while the league average is 33 percent and for starters it's 34.5 percent. That's below average. That, combined with his not walking a lot of people tells me he's throwing a lot of strikes but it's hit or miss in terms of how good his pitches are.

 

But like I said, you completely missed the main point of my post.

[Sammy Sofa]

Yesssssssssss.

 

Don't let that stop you, dexter.

 

FIGHTFIGHTFIGHTFIGHTFIGHT

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First two starts with the Cards: 11 IP, 7 H, 1 BB, 1 R, 1 ER, 0.82 ERA, .727 WHIP, 15 K.

 

Last five starts with the Cards: 27 IP, 29 H, 8 BB, 17 R, 17 ER, 5.67 ERA, 1.37 WHIP, 25 K.

 

highly skewed due to your arbitrary start and end points

 

And his first six starts stats that NPC posted are highly skewed by Smoltz's ridiculously good first two starts.

 

My point was that some people were freaking out that Smoltz had two great starts right after going to the Cardinals and started spouting all of that pixie dust BS but since then he's been average at best.

 

His two starts against the Brewers (4 ER in 6 IP and 3 ER in 5 IP) were below average, though his WHIP and K's were solid. He had solid starts against the Cubs and Houston before getting lit up by Cincinnati. So in his last five starts, two were good, two were below average and one was bad. That's probably slightly below average overall. His ERA in those starts is a run worse than the NL starters average but the WHIP is right at the average.

 

why are you using era and writing off whip and k/bb?

 

he has been good in 5 of his 7 starts

 

Who says I'm writing off WHIP and K/BB. His ERA being a run worse than average in those five starts is bad but his WHIP was average. I said he was slightly below average.

 

He's also given up 12 XBH out of his 29 in that run (41 percent), while the league average is 33 percent and for starters it's 34.5 percent. That's below average. That, combined with his not walking a lot of people tells me he's throwing a lot of strikes but it's hit or miss in terms of how good his pitches are.

 

But like I said, you completely missed the main point of my post.

 

i don't think so. you posted a split that implied smoltz was great in his first 2 starts and then average his next 5. i think your post was misleading, unless you're going to judge a pitcher by era (and you shouldn't). he was bad in his last start, but in the previous 4 starts he had a 1.13 whip, a 22/3 k/bb (23 ip) and a .681 OPS. i don't see how you can possibly say that's below average. nonprofitcow's split was much more telling.

 

oh and before someone says something again, i'm not even fighting. relax.

[Guest]

Wait, so you're criticizing me for taking out his first two starts - which I only did to offer a comparison with his last five - and then you go and take out his worst start out of five and think that's an okay thing to do? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Of course taking his worst start out is going to make him look a lot better.

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Wait, so you're criticizing me for taking out his first two starts - which I only did to offer a comparison with his last five - and then you go and take out his worst start out of five and think that's an okay thing to do? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Of course taking his worst start out is going to make him look a lot better.

 

I'm not the one who first used a split. I was simply offering a better alternative than yours, even if mine was a bit misleading as well.

 

Whatever, I don't care. You showed a split to make him look like he's been a completely different pitcher in his last 5 starts when compared the his first 2 starts, and I showed you why that's not true at all. Not much else to argue.

[Guest]

Wait, so you're criticizing me for taking out his first two starts - which I only did to offer a comparison with his last five - and then you go and take out his worst start out of five and think that's an okay thing to do? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Of course taking his worst start out is going to make him look a lot better.

 

I'm not the one who first used a split. I was simply offering a better alternative than yours, even if mine was a bit misleading as well.

 

Whatever, I don't care. You showed a split to make him look like he's been a completely different pitcher in his last 5 starts when compared the his first 2 starts, and I showed you why that's not true at all. Not much else to argue.

 

Problem is, he has been a completely different pitcher since in those first two starts he pitched like the greatest man to ever pick up a baseball and the last five starts he's been merely average.

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Wait, so you're criticizing me for taking out his first two starts - which I only did to offer a comparison with his last five - and then you go and take out his worst start out of five and think that's an okay thing to do? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Of course taking his worst start out is going to make him look a lot better.

 

I'm not the one who first used a split. I was simply offering a better alternative than yours, even if mine was a bit misleading as well.

 

Whatever, I don't care. You showed a split to make him look like he's been a completely different pitcher in his last 5 starts when compared the his first 2 starts, and I showed you why that's not true at all. Not much else to argue.

 

Problem is, he has been a completely different pitcher since in those first two starts he pitched like the greatest man to ever pick up a baseball and the last five starts he's been merely average.

 

I just don't think it's fair to lump those 5 starts together when he was good in 3 of the 5 (despite ERA). To say he has a 1.37 WHIP over his last 5 starts is highly misleading when in the 4 prior to his last start, he had a 1.13 WHIP.

 

There's a small enough sample size here to just look at all 7 starts and determine where the real splits are. He's been good in 5 of his 7 starts.