Peavy to White Sox AGAIN!

[Backtobanks]

Check out the payroll from the south side and you will notice that it's not too much different from the north side. I always crack up when people act like the WS are this semi-successful low-payroll team.

 

White Sox:

 

2009: $ 96,068,500

2008: $121,189,332

2007: $108,671,833

2006: $102,750,667

2005: $ 75,178,000

 

Cubs:

 

2009: $134,809,000

2008: $118,345,833

2007: $ 99,670,332

2006: $ 94,424,499

2005: $ 87,032,933

 

So the WS had a higher payroll from 2005-2008 and the Cubs more than made up the difference this year. Exactly my point that the WS are a big-payroll team disguised as a low-payroll team playing 2nd fiddle to the big-spending Cubs.

[UK1679666180]

I don't think many have described the Sox as a small market/low payroll team. The only thing I really hear about the Sox in comparison to the Cubs is how there's much more attention via the media and other outlets given to the Cubs than the Sox.

 

They've always been one of the more higher payroll teams in the League.

[PrimeTime]

Man this just looks really odd...

 

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/.a/6a00d83451583769e20115715cc9b3970c-800wi

[BCVM22]

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/.a/6a00d83451583769e20115715cc9b3970c-800wi

 

The quiet irony of this is just staggering. And the guy was never even heard singing "Go Go White Sox" in a bar.

[RedFlash]

I wonder what is the percentage that Peavy will demand a trade from the White Sox (as per his right as a player traded during the middle of his contract) after the season? :-k Considering the manager, I would put it at 65% chance of Peavy demanding a trade after the season.

[Backtobanks]

I don't think many have described the Sox as a small market/low payroll team. The only thing I really hear about the Sox in comparison to the Cubs is how there's much more attention via the media and other outlets given to the Cubs than the Sox.

 

They've always been one of the more higher payroll teams in the League.

 

The WS have never been in the forefront when large market teams are mentioned and Kenny Williams has always been given way too much credit for building something without the "OUTRAGEOUS" payroll that "free-spending" Hendry has while Hendry is bashed for whatever success he has achieved because he has this outrageous payroll and should do better.

[davearm2]

I wonder what is the percentage that Peavy will demand a trade from the White Sox (as per his right as a player traded during the middle of his contract) after the season? :-k Considering the manager, I would put it at 65% chance of Peavy demanding a trade after the season.

The whole point of that (now eliminated) rule is to save veteran players on multiyear deals from having to play several of those seasons someplace they don't want to be.

 

I can't imagine it applies to guys that have a NTC and choose to waive it, as Peavy did.

[Little Slide Rooter]

It looks like the White Sox will be a very pitching oriented team in the near future, with Peavy, Buerhle, Danks, and Floyd making a very nice rotation. Its almost certain that Thome and Dye are gone after this year, with Konerko following the next and they'll be building an offense around Quentin, Beckham, and Alexei Ramirez.

[UK1679666180]

I don't think many have described the Sox as a small market/low payroll team. The only thing I really hear about the Sox in comparison to the Cubs is how there's much more attention via the media and other outlets given to the Cubs than the Sox.

 

They've always been one of the more higher payroll teams in the League.

 

The WS have never been in the forefront when large market teams are mentioned and Kenny Williams has always been given way too much credit for building something without the "OUTRAGEOUS" payroll that "free-spending" Hendry has while Hendry is bashed for whatever success he has achieved because he has this outrageous payroll and should do better.

 

The Sox have really never been mentioned in the forefront of anything, especially nationally but Williams does get credit as far as being an aggressive GM which he deserves and Hendry is also in that same boat (except this year). Williams has something of extreme value on his resume that Hendry doesn't have, so he'll always receive more credit than Hendry as far as building of a team until Hendry/Cubs win one.

[imb]

I wonder what is the percentage that Peavy will demand a trade from the White Sox (as per his right as a player traded during the middle of his contract) after the season? :-k Considering the manager, I would put it at 65% chance of Peavy demanding a trade after the season.

 

ok, ill take that. what will i win?

[Backtobanks]

From The Hardball Times vis MLBTR:

 

[b]Jake Peavy from San Diego to the White Sox for Aaron Poreda, Clayton Richard, Adam Russell and Dexter Carter

 

 

 

 

Ladies and gentlemen, behold possibly the worst deadline deal in recent memory.

 

Jake Peavy may or may not pitch again this year. Over the last year and a half, he's been on the shelf for roughly one-third of the time. And, he's locked into a deal that pays him more than he would receive on the open market today.

 

Now, the current projection I have for Peavy may well be a bit harsh; when healthy, he's one of the top five to eight starters in the game, and that projection would imply he's somewhere around the 25th. But I don't feel comfortable just completely ignoring the injury history, especially since they included elbow issues last year.

 

Just for the sake of argument, here's how Peavy looks if he essentially returns to '06-'07 form and stays there:

 

 

 

It's still a terrible deal.

 

Now, you know what? This is going to be a silent killer; like the Carlos Lee contract. What I mean is, nobody really pays attention to how bad of a contract Carlos Lee has because he's meeting expectations with the bat, and Minute Maid Park makes it look even better, so no perception exists that Houston didn't get the player they signed. If you were a .300 hitter, then signed a $15 million contract, and continued to hit .300, nobody calls you overpaid, even if you were only worth $12 million a year to begin with.

 

The worst aspects of that contract (the $4 million or so a year he's overpaid along with the length of the contract the late years) are invisible; when you're watching Lee put up a .900 OPS, it doesn't immediately strike you that his overpriced contract comes at the expense of other areas of the roster, or that he's going to be a huge drag on the organization pretty soon.

 

I imagine it will be the same with Peavy. Regardless of what happens for the rest of 2009, 12 months from now, all people will really think about is that Jake Peavy is one of the top pitchers in the game, and Kenny Williams went and got him. The fact that controlling fourth starters and middle relief pitchers like Richard and Russell through arbitration (instead of buying them on the open market) is a tremendous asset for an organization is just not what's on the mind of a ChiSox fan while he's watching Jake Peavy shut out the Tigers next July.

 

The fact that what you're paying Peavy could have bought you much more value on the open market will be forgotten by then. Odds are Poreda is not going to be leading a rotation into a World Series in the next couple years. Carter may not have a year of service time before Peavy's contract is up. So, despite their value (both present in terms of trading capital, and future in terms of on-field), nobody is going to say "Oh ####, Kenny Williams blew it" anytime soon, or likely ever.

 

So, unless Peavy continues to blow himself up with injuries, Kenny Williams is going to get praised for this move, whether in October, next July, 2011, or all of the above. But the people doing the praising will not be taking an adequate measure of the pros and cons of the choice he made at the time, which was abominable.

 

If you saw a guy leaving a poker table with $50,000, you'd think he played like a master. But you weren't there to see that he sat down with $500,000. Kenny Williams is that guy.

 

Adam Guttridge is a recent graduate seeking to continue his baseball career. Employment offers can be sent to adam_guttridge@yahoo.com.

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The charts didn't copy, here is the link:

 

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/applying-the-guttridge-wang-trade-model-to-this-years-deadline-trades/

[bakester]

Gotta love Kenny's suit in that pic.