Soriano contract breakdown

[Stomper90]

Can someone post a breakdown of Soriano's contract by year? Is it backloaded? I haven't been able to find anywhere else.

 

Thanks!

[soapy]

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/chicago-cubs_112114177768677294.html

 

07:$9M, 08:$13M, 09:$16M, 10-14:$18M annually

[Little Slide Rooter]

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/chicago-cubs_112114177768677294.html

 

07:$9M, 08:$13M, 09:$16M, 10-14:$18M annually

 

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/23/25321856_10291ad77b.jpg

[A-Cal]

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/chicago-cubs_112114177768677294.html

 

07:$9M, 08:$13M, 09:$16M, 10-14:$18M annually

 

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/23/25321856_10291ad77b.jpg

 

it sucks, but at least it isn't as bad as the Vernon Wells Contract

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Everybody's contracts are backloaded. Remember those two division titles? Enjoy them, because they were bought with many seasons' worth of payroll.

[dew1679666265]

Everybody's contracts are backloaded. Remember those two division titles? Enjoy them, because they were bought with many seasons' worth of payroll.

 

In 2011 we have $96 million committed and in 2012 we have $54 million committed. Assuming payroll doesn't plummet between now and then we will have in the area of $40-$80 million to spend in those two seasons as of right now - minus, of course, arbitration guys. I see no reason why we can't be a contender those two years.

 

2010 will be a tough salary year, but after that we'll have some flexibility again.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Everybody's contracts are backloaded. Remember those two division titles? Enjoy them, because they were bought with many seasons' worth of payroll.

 

In 2011 we have $96 million committed and in 2012 we have $54 million committed. Assuming payroll doesn't plummet between now and then we will have in the area of $40-$80 million to spend in those two seasons as of right now - minus, of course, arbitration guys. I see no reason why we can't be a contender those two years.

 

2010 will be a tough salary year, but after that we'll have some flexibility again.

 

By 2012, here's the ages of your key players:

 

Soto 29

Lee 36

Soriano 36

Fukudome 35

Ramirez 34

Lilly 36

Dempster 35

Zambrano 31

 

I'd be surprised if more than about 2 of those guys are still above-average players at that point. Even $80 million won't go very far if they have that many needs.

 

That's not to say they can't remain contenders. But they will need to make very few mistakes and have a lot of things go right between now and then.

[rocket]

Everybody's contracts are backloaded. Remember those two division titles? Enjoy them, because they were bought with many seasons' worth of payroll.

 

In 2011 we have $96 million committed and in 2012 we have $54 million committed. Assuming payroll doesn't plummet between now and then we will have in the area of $40-$80 million to spend in those two seasons as of right now - minus, of course, arbitration guys. I see no reason why we can't be a contender those two years.

 

2010 will be a tough salary year, but after that we'll have some flexibility again.

 

By 2012, here's the ages of your key players:

 

Soto 29

Lee 36

Soriano 36

Fukudome 35

Ramirez 34

Lilly 36

Dempster 35

Zambrano 31

 

I'd be surprised if more than about 2 of those guys are still above-average players at that point. Even $80 million won't go very far if they have that many needs.

 

That's not to say they can't remain contenders. But they will need to make very few mistakes and have a lot of things go right between now and then.

 

Without looking it up, I don't think Lee, Fukudome, Lilly, or Dempster will be under contract in 2012 with the Cubs

[dew1679666265]

Everybody's contracts are backloaded. Remember those two division titles? Enjoy them, because they were bought with many seasons' worth of payroll.

 

In 2011 we have $96 million committed and in 2012 we have $54 million committed. Assuming payroll doesn't plummet between now and then we will have in the area of $40-$80 million to spend in those two seasons as of right now - minus, of course, arbitration guys. I see no reason why we can't be a contender those two years.

 

2010 will be a tough salary year, but after that we'll have some flexibility again.

 

By 2012, here's the ages of your key players:

 

Soto 29

Lee 36

Soriano 36

Fukudome 35

Ramirez 34

Lilly 36

Dempster 35

Zambrano 31

 

I'd be surprised if more than about 2 of those guys are still above-average players at that point. Even $80 million won't go very far if they have that many needs.

 

That's not to say they can't remain contenders. But they will need to make very few mistakes and have a lot of things go right between now and then.

 

Out of that group only Z, Soto, Dempster and Soriano are under contract for 2012. Soto and Z should still be productive at that point, Vitters may well be ML ready by then and we have good starting pitchers in the minors who could be ready and productive by then (Jay Jackson, Chris Carpenter, Wells if he's for real, etc).

 

Obviously some of those guys may not pan out and we'll have to be cost effective in some areas with that many needs, but it's certainly very much in the realm of possibility that we could be contenders in 2011 and 2012. Even 2010 isn't completely unrealistic.

[dew1679666265]

Everybody's contracts are backloaded. Remember those two division titles? Enjoy them, because they were bought with many seasons' worth of payroll.

 

In 2011 we have $96 million committed and in 2012 we have $54 million committed. Assuming payroll doesn't plummet between now and then we will have in the area of $40-$80 million to spend in those two seasons as of right now - minus, of course, arbitration guys. I see no reason why we can't be a contender those two years.

 

2010 will be a tough salary year, but after that we'll have some flexibility again.

 

By 2012, here's the ages of your key players:

 

Soto 29

Lee 36

Soriano 36

Fukudome 35

Ramirez 34

Lilly 36

Dempster 35

Zambrano 31

 

I'd be surprised if more than about 2 of those guys are still above-average players at that point. Even $80 million won't go very far if they have that many needs.

 

That's not to say they can't remain contenders. But they will need to make very few mistakes and have a lot of things go right between now and then.

 

Without looking it up, I don't think Lee, Fukudome, Lilly, or Dempster will be under contract in 2012 with the Cubs

 

Of the group he listed, only Z, Soto, Dempster and Soriano will be.

[Soul]

We are being backloaded by Soriano's contract.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

 

Of the group he listed, only Z, Soto, Dempster and Soriano will be.

 

Which underscores the point that they will need a whole lot of good players between now and then to stay contenders, and they aren't coming from the farm system more than likely.

[dew1679666265]

 

Of the group he listed, only Z, Soto, Dempster and Soriano will be.

 

Which underscores the point that they will need a whole lot of good players between now and then to stay contenders, and they aren't coming from the farm system more than likely.

 

Why not? The farm system isn't great, but it's improving. Vitters could fill Aramis' spot by then, Jackson could be up in the rotation and Wells could still be there as well.

 

If we can find a couple more guys to give us decent production at a cheap rate then we could fill around them with larger contracts and have a pretty good team. Again, it would take being smart and cost effective, but it's perfectly reasonable to think we could be a good team by then.

 

And that's assuming no trades occur between now and then and assuming that the payroll doesn't increase at all.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The odds of even one of those guys becoming an above-average major leaguer in the long term is decent, but hoping for two is pretty iffy. This is the "In a few years we'll have Christiansen, Guzman and Ryu in the rotation, with Kelton and Choi holding down the corners" all over again. Vitters is a great prospect, but he's a 19-year-old in A ball. Projecting him to much for 2012 is awfully optimistic. Wells is a guy who has 100 good innings this year between AAA and MLB, and a long history of mediocrity in the minors.

 

You need 10 wins above average to become a playoff team. With the prospects we have and the players still under contract, I'm just not seeing much there at all, which means they'll need to almost all of that via trades and free agency, which means there is very little margin for error. One Bradley signing and it all falls apart, as we've seen this season.

 

I'm not saying it can't happen, but I am saying it's not an enviable position to be in.

[dew1679666265]

The odds of even one of those guys becoming an above-average major leaguer in the long term is decent, but hoping for two is pretty iffy. This is the "In a few years we'll have Christiansen, Guzman and Ryu in the rotation, with Kelton and Choi holding down the corners" all over again. Vitters is a great prospect, but he's a 19-year-old in A ball. Projecting him to much for 2012 is awfully optimistic. Wells is a guy who has 100 good innings this year between AAA and MLB, and a long history of mediocrity in the minors.

 

You need 10 wins above average to become a playoff team. With the prospects we have and the players still under contract, I'm just not seeing much there at all, which means they'll need to almost all of that via trades and free agency, which means there is very little margin for error. One Bradley signing and it all falls apart, as we've seen this season.

 

I'm not saying it can't happen, but I am saying it's not an enviable position to be in.

 

I can understand that, I just took your original post as another of the "we're not going to contend for the next 10 years because of Hendry" posts.

 

There are always good bargains out there. We'll just have to look a bit harder for the next 2-3 years, make fewer mega signings and develop prospects well.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Well, let's put it this way: If I were a betting man, I'd bet against them at this point. Combine the ownership situation, farm system, contract situation, and the players currently on the MLB roster, and I think the odds are stacked against Hendry or whomever eventually replaces him.

 

Then again, we have the most money freed up for the 2011 offseason (before the 2012 season). Isn't that when Pujols becomes a free agent? That'd make it all worth it.

[dew1679666265]

Well, let's put it this way: If I were a betting man, I'd bet against them at this point. Combine the ownership situation, farm system, contract situation, and the players currently on the MLB roster, and I think the odds are stacked against Hendry or whomever eventually replaces him.

 

Then again, we have the most money freed up for the 2011 offseason (before the 2012 season). Isn't that when Pujols becomes a free agent? That'd make it all worth it.

 

There we go. Pujols in 2011!

 

The thing about this team is that there are huge contracts at nearly every position ($10+ million). You can build a good to very good team with fewer huge contracts than that. That's going to have to be the route we take to contend in 2011 and 2012. Along with, of course, hoping a player or two from the farm pans out well.

[Jazz]

boras is pujols' agent right..

 

10 years, 280 mil sounds about right

[imb]

boras is pujols' agent right..

 

10 years, 280 mil sounds about right

 

10/300 and don't even look back

[shnsajax]

boras is pujols' agent right..

 

10 years, 280 mil sounds about right

 

10/300 and don't even look back

 

We would do that, then find out that Pujlos is actually 36.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

boras is pujols' agent right..

 

10 years, 280 mil sounds about right

 

10/300 and don't even look back

 

We would do that, then find out that Pujlos is actually 36.

 

Worth every penny for the crying you'd see from Cardinals' fans until that news came out. Even if it was only a day.

[CubmanPi]

We are being backloaded by Soriano's contract.

Nice.

[Gingerballs Lives]

Well, after next year it appears we'll have plenty of payroll flexibility.

 

 

The only true albatrosses as I see it are Soriano and Bradley (Soriano, particularly of course). Is there anything that can be done besides hoping they turn it around? Maybe some AL team would take Bradley as a DH. How about Milton in Fenway? Almost as bad idea jeans as Milton in Wrigley.

[Guest]

Well, after next year it appears we'll have plenty of payroll flexibility.

 

 

The only true albatrosses as I see it are Soriano and Bradley (Soriano, particularly of course). Is there anything that can be done besides hoping they turn it around? Maybe some AL team would take Bradley as a DH. How about Milton in Fenway? Almost as bad idea jeans as Milton in Wrigley.

 

How is Bradley's contract ($9M and $12M the next two years) an albatross but Z's ($17.875M, $17.875M and $18M) and Dempster's ($12.5M, $13.5M and a $14M player option) contracts?

[CubColtPacer]

Well, after next year it appears we'll have plenty of payroll flexibility.

 

 

The only true albatrosses as I see it are Soriano and Bradley (Soriano, particularly of course). Is there anything that can be done besides hoping they turn it around? Maybe some AL team would take Bradley as a DH. How about Milton in Fenway? Almost as bad idea jeans as Milton in Wrigley.

 

How is Bradley's contract ($9M and $12M the next two years) an albatross but Z's ($17.875M, $17.875M and $18M) and Dempster's ($12.5M, $13.5M and a $14M player option) contracts?

 

I think he's assuming that this year's production so far will continue. Z and Dempster won't be albatrosses if that happens because they're both above average starting pitchers (with Z well above). They could possibly slightly overpaid, but not albatrosses.

 

Bradley has both not been worth his contract and not even worth playing time so far this year. Using Fangraphs's worth estimator in dollars, Z has already been worth 7.7 million this year with his play so far, Dempster 6.2 million, and Bradley has been worth negative 1.8 million.

 

I'm not one who happens to believe that Bradley's struggles will continue over the entire contract unless his injuries get a lot worse though, but if they did (or his injuries kept him out most of the season one of the next two years) his contract could be an albatross while the other two contracts are not likely to be.