06/19 Indians (Lee) @ Cubs (Harden) CSN 1:20

[Fred Hornkohl]

Soto walked

[laurens]

Good pitchers go through bad stretches. Harden may as well do it while the rest of the team sucks anyway, and hopefully all the pieces fall into place together.

 

This is what I've been thinking. Cliff Lee is pitching against our "offense" right now: it's not like we were going to win anyway.

[Keener98]

No I didnt just repeat what Gooney said. For me to count someone as being one of the best pitchers in the game they have to pitch like it when healthy, and do it consistently. Thats not Rich Harden, so therefore, hes overrated.

 

But he's not overrated. He's considered one of the best pitchers of the game when he's healthy and consistent.

 

And hes very very rarely consistent and healthy so in my opinion hes overrated.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Fox                AB    R    H   2b   3b   HR  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP  P/PA   IsoD   RBI%
RISP                4    0    1    1    0    0    2    0    1  0.250  0.200  0.500  0.700  0.333  3.80 -0.050  0.286
Middle (4-6)        2    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    1  0.000  0.000  0.000  0.000  0.000  3.00  0.000  0.000
2 outs              6    0    1    1    0    0    1    0    2  0.167  0.286  0.333  0.619  0.250  4.71  0.119  0.200
CUBS trailing       8    0    1    0    0    0    1    0    4  0.125  0.111  0.125  0.236  0.250  3.00 -0.014  0.167
last 7 games        2    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0  0.000  0.000  0.000  0.000  0.000  4.50  0.000  0.000
June                7    0    2    1    0    0    1    0    0  0.286  0.333  0.429  0.762  0.286  3.67  0.048  0.250
Home                9    1    3    1    0    0    1    0    4  0.333  0.333  0.444  0.778  0.600  4.22  0.000  0.200
Day                 5    1    3    1    0    0    1    0    0  0.600  0.600  0.800  1.400  0.600  5.20  0.000  0.500
vs Left             7    0    2    2    0    0    1    0    1  0.286  0.375  0.571  0.946  0.333  4.38  0.089  0.333
Randy Marsh         0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0  0.000  0.000  0.000  0.000  0.000  0.00  0.000  0.000

season totals      14    1    5    2    0    0    2    0    4  0.357  0.375  0.500  0.875  0.500  3.88  0.018  0.250

[Schwarber Fan]

Would be an excellent time for Jake Fox's 1st MLB homer.

[Outshined_One]

Terrible call at 2B.

 

...okay, maybe not on the replay.

[Keener98]

wow he was out

[Sammy Sofa]

No I didnt just repeat what Gooney said. For me to count someone as being one of the best pitchers in the game they have to pitch like it when healthy, and do it consistently. Thats not Rich Harden, so therefore, hes overrated.

 

But he's not overrated. He's considered one of the best pitchers of the game when he's healthy and consistent.

 

And hes very very rarely consistent and healthy so in my opinion hes overrated.

 

I don't know how much more simple this can be explained:

 

Harden is "rated" with his health issues and inconsistencies in mind.

 

He'd be overrated if those factors were ignored.

 

They're not.

[Fred Hornkohl]

BOTTOM OF THE FOURTH INNING

 

Theriot lined out to right field

Bradley grounded out to second, 4-3

D Lee doubled to down the left field line

Soto walked

Fox grounded into a FC, 4-6, Soto out at second

 

0 runs 1 hits 0 errors 1 men left on base

 

                1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9              R  H  E
Cleveland       0 3 3 1                        7  6  0
CUBS            0 0 0 0                        0  2  0

 

Home runs:

Cleveland: Valbuena (2), Martinez (12)

CUBS: none

 

Cleveland      IP  H  R ER BB  K HR PIT
Lee           4.0  2  0  0  1  5  0  61

 

CUBS           IP  H  R ER BB  K HR PIT
Harden        4.0  6  7  7  3  1  2  79

[Careless]

No I didnt just repeat what Gooney said. For me to count someone as being one of the best pitchers in the game they have to pitch like it when healthy, and do it consistently. Thats not Rich Harden, so therefore, hes overrated.

 

But he's not overrated. He's considered one of the best pitchers of the game when he's healthy and consistent.

 

And hes very very rarely consistent and healthy so in my opinion hes overrated.

... #-o

[Fred Hornkohl]

         Cleveland        CUBS
P/PA          3.76        4.07
RBI%          0.50        0.00
R/BR          0.78        0.00
BA           0.353       0.143
OBP          0.450       0.200
SLG          0.824       0.214
OPS          1.274       0.414
ERA           0.00       15.75
BB/9          2.25        6.75
K/9          11.25        2.25

[BCVM22]

Getting tired of watching scrub 2Bs make world-beating plays. Edited June 19, 2009 by BCVM22

[Keener98]

Terrible call at 2B.

 

...okay, maybe not on the replay.

 

Thought so at first too, but replay showed he was out wow.

[Fred Hornkohl]

CUBS have outscored their opponents 43-19 in the 5th inning.

 

 

Go CUBS !!

[Outshined_One]

Needless to say, I'm impressed with the ump for getting that call right.

[Careless]

soto slides better and he's safe

[erik316wttn]

Tomorrow's game thread will be up later tonight.

[Schwarber Fan]

Terrible call at 2B.

 

...okay, maybe not on the replay.

 

Thought so at first too, but replay showed he was out wow.

 

Yea... weird how it seemed like he was clearly safe with the naked eye

 

I give Barksdale mad props on that.

 

Poor Fox though.

[jersey cubs fan]

No I didnt just repeat what Gooney said. For me to count someone as being one of the best pitchers in the game they have to pitch like it when healthy, and do it consistently. Thats not Rich Harden, so therefore, hes overrated.

 

But he's not overrated. He's considered one of the best pitchers of the game when he's healthy and consistent.

 

And hes very very rarely consistent and healthy so in my opinion hes overrated.

 

He would only be overrated if people claimed he was more healthy and consistently good than he is. You can't just use overrated as a way of describing a guy who is not a great 200 inning pitcher, unless people actually describe that person as a great 200 inning pitcher. He's flawed. He's far from an ideal starting pitcher.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Choo called out on strikes

[Fred Hornkohl]

Peralta singled to left field

[Keener98]

No I didnt just repeat what Gooney said. For me to count someone as being one of the best pitchers in the game they have to pitch like it when healthy, and do it consistently. Thats not Rich Harden, so therefore, hes overrated.

 

But he's not overrated. He's considered one of the best pitchers of the game when he's healthy and consistent.

 

And hes very very rarely consistent and healthy so in my opinion hes overrated.

 

He would only be overrated if people claimed he was more healthy and consistently good than he is. You can't just use overrated as a way of describing a guy who is not a great 200 inning pitcher, unless people actually describe that person as a great 200 inning pitcher. He's flawed. He's far from an ideal starting pitcher.

 

 

Whatever fine put it like this. Id rather have Sean Marshall in the rotation.

[Sammy Sofa]

Whatever fine put it like this. Id rather have Sean Marshall in the rotation.

 

I'd rather have Marshall and Harden in the rotation.

[PrimeTime]

So Randy Marsh is umpiring??

 

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[Fred Hornkohl]

TOP OF THE FIFTH INNING

 

Choo called out on strikes

Peralta singled to left field

Shoppach grounded into a DP, 4-6-3, Peralta out at second

 

0 runs 1 hits 0 errors 0 men left on base

 

                1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9              R  H  E
Cleveland       0 3 3 1 0                      7  7  0
CUBS            0 0 0 0                        0  2  0

 

Home runs:

Cleveland: Valbuena (2), Martinez (12)

CUBS: none

 

Cleveland      IP  H  R ER BB  K HR PIT
Lee           4.0  2  0  0  1  5  0  61

 

CUBS           IP  H  R ER BB  K HR PIT
Harden        5.0  7  7  7  3  2  2  87