Cubs/Cardinals Postgame 4/16/09

[TruffleShuffle]

I still think the bogus calls on Bradley were the turning point. If the ump had half a clue, we would have gotten a minimum of two more runs that inning and possibly more.

 

we've gotten some breaks in another game or two earlier this year, but yeah today's home plate ump was terrible.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I still think the bogus calls on Bradley were the turning point. If the ump had half a clue, we would have gotten a minimum of two more runs that inning and possibly more.

 

we've gotten some breaks in another game or two earlier this year, but yeah today's home plate ump was terrible.

 

I understand about getting bad breaks. But he missed two calls. All three of those strike calls were generous...and the strike three call, well, I'm not ever sure I've seen that pitch called a strike...in all my 30+ years of watching baseball.

[TruffleShuffle]

i think the cardinals will be a lot better than they look on paper, and will win 90 games or close to it. and i'll have no idea how they did it.

 

chris duncan and his experimental surgery fixed his "career-ending" neck problem, while mark prior and his perfect mechanics haven't thrown a major league inning in about 3 years. the whole thing pisses me off.

[fivepercent]

chris duncan and his experimental surgery fixed his "career-ending" neck problem, while mark prior and his perfect mechanics haven't thrown a major league inning in about 3 years. the whole thing pisses me off.

 

:rotfl:

[twothousandfive]

today was the first day it really gave up alot of runs

and today followed a game where the pen was called on in the fourth inning. (I didn't see the game, which may affect my view, but) I was pleased to see that a rested Heilman was the first guy called on. He didn't get the job done, so for a tie in the seventh, the Cubs got the first look at Patton on back-to-back days. That's gotta' happen sometime, and today it wasn't pretty. Maybe it's too much to expect a day after 2 innings and 30 pitches, but you have to learn that sometime. When he gave up the lead, I think it was wise to not burn either Marmol or Gregg. Now, with Zambrano, Lilly, Dempster in the next three days -- the guys more likely to go deep into the game -- the Cubs may be able to go to the big bullpen guns with a narrow lead, while mixing in only one or two of the other guys.

 

If Heilman and Patton keep giving up three runs every two innings, this time will either struggle to make the playoffs or they'll replace them, maybe both. Eight inning and seven runs in 2 games for the starters -- that's a bigger problem to try and fix. Of course, neither suggest a trend, yet. It happens sometimes

[Soonernation]

Didn't see the game, but finally caught the highlights of the game on ESPN and all i have to say about the Strike 3 on Bradley is the ump should have thrown himself out instead of Bradley; that was beyond pathetic [-X

[Andy]

i think the cardinals will be a lot better than they look on paper, and will win 90 games or close to it. and i'll have no idea how they did it.

 

chris duncan and his experimental surgery fixed his "career-ending" neck problem, while mark prior and his perfect mechanics haven't thrown a major league inning in about 3 years. the whole thing pisses me off.

Someone very important in the St. Louis organization has to have sold his soul for all this ridiculous luck the last five years. Probably La Russa.

[Guest]

-Anyone who was worried about regressions from Soto, Fontenot and/or Bradley has had nothing to squash those thoughts. Fontenot especially is worrysome. If pitchers have figured out a way to get him out, and he can't make the adjustment, we have a major hole in 2B. Fontenot is useless if he's not hitting because he's not a good defender. We'd have to go shopping for a 2B at the deadline, and Hendry would have to take a pie in his face for gambling on the DeRosa trade.

 

Fontenot has 39 PA's and has a .775 OPS with a .385 OBP(numbers rounded cause I closed the calculator window)

 

Bradley has had 25 PA's.

 

Soto has had 15 PA'S.

 

We haven't even played 10 games yet.

 

I agree. What I said was, people that came into the season worried about regressions for those players haven't seen anything so far to calm their fears. My whole post was based on a premise that its way too early to worry, but these are trends I'm seeing. If the Cubs played these 10 games in July, no one would make a big deal out of any of this.

 

Through Soriano's first 86 PA's last year in 18 games, he had a line of .177/.233/.316/.549. From that point on, in 417 PA's through the end of the year, he put up a line of .302/.367/.578/.944. His next 11 games after the first 18 (during which people were surely complaining about him daily), he had an OPS of 1.639.

 

In Lilly's first four starts he had an ERA of 9.16 and a WHIP of 1.71 in 18 2/3 IP. The rest of the year he had an ERA of 3.58 and a WHIP of 1.18 in 186 IP.

 

Soto's OPS is .282 right now. If he comes out tomorrow and goes 3-4 with two singles and a homer, it will go up to .833.

 

You've got to give these guys at least a month to work things out - Soriano needed almost 20 games last year before he finally started hitting.

[Gingerballs Lives]

-Anyone who was worried about regressions from Soto, Fontenot and/or Bradley has had nothing to squash those thoughts. Fontenot especially is worrysome. If pitchers have figured out a way to get him out, and he can't make the adjustment, we have a major hole in 2B. Fontenot is useless if he's not hitting because he's not a good defender. We'd have to go shopping for a 2B at the deadline, and Hendry would have to take a pie in his face for gambling on the DeRosa trade.

 

Fontenot has 39 PA's and has a .775 OPS with a .385 OBP(numbers rounded cause I closed the calculator window)

 

Bradley has had 25 PA's.

 

Soto has had 15 PA'S.

 

We haven't even played 10 games yet.

 

I agree. What I said was, people that came into the season worried about regressions for those players haven't seen anything so far to calm their fears. My whole post was based on a premise that its way too early to worry, but these are trends I'm seeing. If the Cubs played these 10 games in July, no one would make a big deal out of any of this.

 

Through Soriano's first 86 PA's last year in 18 games, he had a line of .177/.233/.316/.549. From that point on, in 417 PA's through the end of the year, he put up a line of .302/.367/.578/.944. His next 11 games after the first 18 (during which people were surely complaining about him daily), he had an OPS of 1.639.

 

In Lilly's first four starts he had an ERA of 9.16 and a WHIP of 1.71 in 18 2/3 IP. The rest of the year he had an ERA of 3.58 and a WHIP of 1.18 in 186 IP.

 

Soto's OPS is .282 right now. If he comes out tomorrow and goes 3-4 with two singles and a homer, it will go up to .833.

 

You've got to give these guys at least a month to work things out - Soriano needed almost 20 games last year before he finally started hitting.

 

 

Agreed. I'm not worried about any of the guy's who have track records, even if it's one year like for Geo.

 

I don't trust these bullpen guys besides Marmol, though. None of them have really accomplished anything. Gregg was decent for a while but he's been absolute garbage. He's picked up the gas-can baton left behind by Howry.

[Little Slide Rooter]

-Anyone who was worried about regressions from Soto, Fontenot and/or Bradley has had nothing to squash those thoughts. Fontenot especially is worrysome. If pitchers have figured out a way to get him out, and he can't make the adjustment, we have a major hole in 2B. Fontenot is useless if he's not hitting because he's not a good defender. We'd have to go shopping for a 2B at the deadline, and Hendry would have to take a pie in his face for gambling on the DeRosa trade.

 

Fontenot has 39 PA's and has a .775 OPS with a .385 OBP(numbers rounded cause I closed the calculator window)

 

Bradley has had 25 PA's.

 

Soto has had 15 PA'S.

 

We haven't even played 10 games yet.

 

I agree. What I said was, people that came into the season worried about regressions for those players haven't seen anything so far to calm their fears. My whole post was based on a premise that its way too early to worry, but these are trends I'm seeing. If the Cubs played these 10 games in July, no one would make a big deal out of any of this.

 

Through Soriano's first 86 PA's last year in 18 games, he had a line of .177/.233/.316/.549. From that point on, in 417 PA's through the end of the year, he put up a line of .302/.367/.578/.944. His next 11 games after the first 18 (during which people were surely complaining about him daily), he had an OPS of 1.639.

 

In Lilly's first four starts he had an ERA of 9.16 and a WHIP of 1.71 in 18 2/3 IP. The rest of the year he had an ERA of 3.58 and a WHIP of 1.18 in 186 IP.

 

Soto's OPS is .282 right now. If he comes out tomorrow and goes 3-4 with two singles and a homer, it will go up to .833.

 

You've got to give these guys at least a month to work things out - Soriano needed almost 20 games last year before he finally started hitting.

 

 

Agreed. I'm not worried about any of the guy's who have track records, even if it's one year like for Geo.

 

I don't trust these bullpen guys besides Marmol, though. None of them have really accomplished anything. Gregg was decent for a while but he's been absolute garbage. He's picked up the gas-can baton left behind by Howry.

 

When you have a hitter like Geo in the 7 spot, you really cant expect him to get much to hit with Theriot or Miles and the pitcher spot due after him.

[Guest]

Geovany Soto in 2008.

 

Split          G GS  PA  AB  R  H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO   BA  OBP  SLG   OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB ROE BAbip tOPS+ sOPS+
Batting 4th    3  3  12  10  4  4  2  0  0   2  0  0  1  1 .400 .500 .600 1.100  6   0   1  0  0   0   0  .444   156   164
Batting 5th   34 34 144 133 14 30  9  0  6  16  0  0  8 34 .226 .271 .429  .699 57   4   1  0  2   0   1  .253    60    77
Batting 6th   47 47 189 158 19 44  8  1  7  24  0  1 30 35 .278 .392 .475  .866 75   3   0  0  1   2   2  .316   102   128
Batting 7th   41 41 175 159 21 48 12  1  9  31  0  0 15 42 .302 .360 .560  .920 89   3   0  0  1   1   1  .358   110   149
Batting 8th   14  9  41  32  8 15  4  0  1  13  0  0  8  7 .469 .561 .688 1.248 22   1   0  0  1   3   0  .560   191   263
Batting 9th    2  0   2   2  0  0  0  0  0   0  0  0  0  2 .000 .000 .000  .000  0   0   0  0  0   0   0        -100  -100