2008-09 NBA Playoffs

[CubbieBum]

Oh, and how are we ignoring how much of a wuss Luis Scola is?

 

I mean, I know Derek Fisher isn't exactly tiny for a point guard. But come on, how does a 6-9, 245 PF go down like that (*cough* flop *cough*) against a 6-1, 210 PG?

 

The same way Bob Sanders can consistently lay out RB's bigger than him. Scola for one wasn't braced for it, was caught of guard, and Fisher threw full force into him.

 

Bob Sanders is also running hard when he hits most of those guys that he lays out. Fisher took a step or two and flattened Scola.

 

This is the equivalent of Bob Sanders laying out a Jeremy Shockey or Kellen Winslow, not a running back.

 

If someone you have no idea throws their entire body into you you are going to fall down. When that guy weighs 210 pounds you are going to fall down fast. I have no idea how someone sees that and starts calling flop.

[Flames24Rulz]

To say Kobe should be suspended is completely asinine.

 

But, Artest had a right to be as pissed off as he was. It's unreal that someone can get away with throwing a elbow (on a rebound attempt) with the foul being called on the guy that's on the receiving end of an elbow. It must be fun to be a superstar in this league. Artest being ejected was a complete joke as well.

[CubbieBum]

I fully expect Kobe to get heckled like crazy next game in Houston (and Fisher if he plays) but a lot of people on the Rockets message board are calling for a RAPE-IST chant. Ugh ...

[CubbieBum]

can someone .gif the fisher play?

 

via the video guy for Rockets message board

 

http://www.uploadho.com/files/1241763026.gif

[Guest]

Oh, and how are we ignoring how much of a wuss Luis Scola is?

 

I mean, I know Derek Fisher isn't exactly tiny for a point guard. But come on, how does a 6-9, 245 PF go down like that (*cough* flop *cough*) against a 6-1, 210 PG?

 

The same way Bob Sanders can consistently lay out RB's bigger than him. Scola for one wasn't braced for it, was caught of guard, and Fisher threw full force into him.

 

Bob Sanders is also running hard when he hits most of those guys that he lays out. Fisher took a step or two and flattened Scola.

 

This is the equivalent of Bob Sanders laying out a Jeremy Shockey or Kellen Winslow, not a running back.

 

If someone you have no idea throws their entire body into you you are going to fall down. When that guy weighs 210 pounds you are going to fall down fast. I have no idea how someone sees that and starts calling flop.

 

It was half flop, half Scola just being weak. It was a flagrant foul, but that doesn't mean Scola didn't go down way easier that he should have.

[Guest]

Charles Barkley talking about how he could outrun David Wells in a race at the end of the post-game show. Hilarious.

[CubbieBum]

Charles Barkley talking about how he could outrun David Wells in a race at the end of the post-game show. Hilarious.

 

I liked the Bynum part.

 

 

Ernie: What are you looking for Chuckster?

 

Barkley: (looks under desk) Bynum.

 

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Barkley: How many points Bynum have tonight?

 

Ernie: Zero.

 

Barkley: The same amount I had tonight.

[TruffleShuffle]

yeah scola definitely embellished that.

 

what kenyon martin did to nowitzki was dirtier than either the kobe play or the fisher play, IMO, and martin just got a fine.

[CubbieBum]

Oh, and how are we ignoring how much of a wuss Luis Scola is?

 

I mean, I know Derek Fisher isn't exactly tiny for a point guard. But come on, how does a 6-9, 245 PF go down like that (*cough* flop *cough*) against a 6-1, 210 PG?

 

The same way Bob Sanders can consistently lay out RB's bigger than him. Scola for one wasn't braced for it, was caught of guard, and Fisher threw full force into him.

 

Bob Sanders is also running hard when he hits most of those guys that he lays out. Fisher took a step or two and flattened Scola.

 

This is the equivalent of Bob Sanders laying out a Jeremy Shockey or Kellen Winslow, not a running back.

 

If someone you have no idea throws their entire body into you you are going to fall down. When that guy weighs 210 pounds you are going to fall down fast. I have no idea how someone sees that and starts calling flop.

 

It was half flop, half Scola just being weak. It was a flagrant foul, but that doesn't mean Scola didn't go down way easier that he should have.

 

You must have never played sports and thus have no idea what its like having a guy throw their body into you. I've seen so many times in many different sports a much smaller guy knock a big guy down easily when the big guy didn't expect it.

[CubbieBum]

yeah scola definitely embellished that.

 

what kenyon martin did to nowitzki was dirtier than either the kobe play or the fisher play, IMO, and martin just got a fine.

 

The foul drew blood ... on Fisher. It made him start bleeding for the back of his head. That's not an area you easily bleed from and that was on the guy doing the hitting.

[Guest]

Charles Barkley talking about how he could outrun David Wells in a race at the end of the post-game show. Hilarious.

 

I liked the Bynum part.

 

 

Ernie: What are you looking for Chuckster?

 

Barkley: (looks under desk) Bynum.

 

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Barkley: How many points Bynum have tonight?

 

Ernie: Zero.

 

Barkley: The same amount I had tonight.

 

That was outstanding as well.

[TruffleShuffle]

welp, count me in the camp that apparently never played sports.

[Rusch33]

I fully expect Kobe to get heckled like crazy next game in Houston (and Fisher if he plays) but a lot of people on the Rockets message board are calling for a RAPE-IST chant. Ugh ...

 

That'd be a smart move to piss Kobe off.

[CubbieBum]

I fully expect Kobe to get heckled like crazy next game in Houston (and Fisher if he plays) but a lot of people on the Rockets message board are calling for a RAPE-IST chant. Ugh ...

 

That'd be a smart move to piss Kobe off.

 

Kobe's going to be pissed off ... because of the ref's. As someone pointed out on the Rockets message board Artest being thrown out will be an advantage for the Rockets. We were likely going to lose that game anyways but now Kobe is under the microscope because the ref's have been called out by the media for not seeing the elbow and calling Artest for the foul. Kobe got away with one so if its anything like what normally happens Kobe will have a couple questionable calls go against him. When he gets physical he will get fouled called him more often.

[illiniguy]

I wish Kobe played in the 1980s, that piece of [expletive] wouldn't have survived.

 

Just thinking about it right now this shows the one of the major flaws with Kobe. Unlike others he uses his superstar status to not get away with fouls but to get away with dirty, trying to injury a guy fouls. Jordan, LeBron ... etc. have too much class to throw elbows and the such.

Yep Jordan was all class all the time, just ask Steve Kerr and Danny Ferry. Or for craps and giggles ask Dennis Hopson what he thinks about MJ.

 

To my knowledge, and I was 13 when Jordan retired the 2nd time, Jordan didn't throw elbows. He grabbed jerseys and the such, which a lot of guys have done, but he didn't try to hurt guys by throwing elbows.

I love Jordan, but he was borderline dirty many times as well.

 

One you should like. He told Will Perdue once that he should change his name to Will Vanderbilt because he wasn't good enough to be named after a big ten school. He was ruthless to Brad Sellers and Dennis Hopson. Now if he was doing this to team mates you can imagine what he was like to opponents.

[CubbieBum]

Just read in the Daily Dime that "an elbow foul which makes contact above shoulder level" is an automatic one game suspension. Rondo didn't throw an elbow but Howard did. That's why Howard was suspended. Kobe threw an elbow and hit Artest above the shoulder. J.A. Adande says its an automatic suspension but Stu Jackson might skate on it because they don't want Kobe out.

[Guest]

Charles Barkley talking about how he could outrun David Wells in a race at the end of the post-game show. Hilarious.

 

I liked the Bynum part.

 

 

Ernie: What are you looking for Chuckster?

 

Barkley: (looks under desk) Bynum.

 

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Barkley: How many points Bynum have tonight?

 

Ernie: Zero.

 

Barkley: The same amount I had tonight.

 

That was outstanding as well.

 

Sir Charles is money, I love the TNT postgame show.

[NewUserName]

I dont follow a lot of NBA and I understand that traveling is not called the way it used to be. However, is it still in the rules that it is traveling if you pass the ball to yourself? Like what Kobe did last night off the backboard.

[SouthSideRyan]

I dont follow a lot of NBA and I understand that traveling is not called the way it used to be. However, is it still in the rules that it is traveling if you pass the ball to yourself? Like what Kobe did last night off the backboard.

 

Once the ball touches the rim or backboard it's considered a shot attempt. In what you described, Kobe grabbed his own rebound.

[NewUserName]

I dont follow a lot of NBA and I understand that traveling is not called the way it used to be. However, is it still in the rules that it is traveling if you pass the ball to yourself? Like what Kobe did last night off the backboard.

 

Once the ball touches the rim or backboard it's considered a shot attempt. In what you described, Kobe grabbed his own rebound.

 

Is that an NBA rule? I know that is not the case in HS and college.

 

EDIT: at least Backboard...I knew if it touched the rim you can get it.

[SouthSideRyan]

I'm pretty sure at any level you can rebound your own miss off of the backboard. When googling it a bit, it looks like it's up to the ref's discretion, but a player can actually rebound his own air ball as long as the ref determines it was a shot attempt, and not a pass.

[Guest]

I can't believe that would be against the rules in HS or college either.

[NewUserName]

I'm pretty sure at any level you can rebound your own miss off of the backboard. When googling it a bit, it looks like it's up to the ref's discretion, but a player can actually rebound his own air ball as long as the ref determines it was a shot attempt, and not a pass.

 

 

Yeah, I have been doing some research and basically have come to the same conclusion. I think what Kobe did last night is almost always going to get called traveling at lower levels. I also think it was traveling if the refs were going to call the rule as it is intended. This is not the first time I have seen it done in the NBA, so this isnt me complaining about Kobe getting away with something. Just wondering about the rule.

[NewUserName]

I can't believe that would be against the rules in HS or college either.

 

If you have picked up your dribble, you cannot throw the ball and then run and get it. That is traveling. When I played you couldnt rebound your own air ball or throw the ball off the backboard and grab it. Basically it is the same principle. How traveling is called has change quite a bit over the last 20 yrs. Basically what Kobe did last night was gain an offensive edge by moving the ball while not dribbling, passing or shooting.

[SouthSideRyan]

No ref anywhere is going to enforce the grab your own air ball rule, but I don't think I understand why a player can't rebound his own ball of the backboard.