Was anyone listening to Mike and Mike this morning? (Harden)

[ctcf]

I was listening on the way to work and while they were making their MLB picks they mentioned how they were worried about the Cubs because of what Buster Onley had just told them about Harden being injured. Anyone catch what was said?

[gflore34]

I don't believe there's any question he's hurt. Throwing in the 80's Saturday? That's not a healthy Rich Harden, he should be shelved until October where his contributions will truly make a difference. The Cubs' have enough to win the NL Central without him.

[Soul]

That's a pretty bold, extreme statement to make before opening pitch in April.

[gflore34]

That's a pretty bold, extreme statement to make before opening pitch in April.

 

About Harden being hurt or the Cubs having enough to win the NL Central without Harden?

[David]

Harden had starts last year where he was mostly in the upper 80's. I don't know why some of you guys are so surprised at this. Concern is understandable, but his velocity was up and down last year, even more so toward the end of the season.

 

Not more than 2-3 weeks ago Bruce reported that he was averaging 93 in his simulated outing. This weekend could've just been a dead arm start.

[gflore34]

Harden had starts last year where he was mostly in the upper 80's. I don't know why some of you guys are so surprised at this. Concern is understandable, but his velocity was up and down last year, even more so toward the end of the season.

 

Not more than 2-3 weeks ago Bruce reported that he was averaging 93 in his simulated outing. This weekend could've just been a dead arm start.

 

Didn't we get enough this with Prior/Wood in '04 and '05?

[David]

Harden had starts last year where he was mostly in the upper 80's. I don't know why some of you guys are so surprised at this. Concern is understandable, but his velocity was up and down last year, even more so toward the end of the season.

 

Not more than 2-3 weeks ago Bruce reported that he was averaging 93 in his simulated outing. This weekend could've just been a dead arm start.

 

Didn't we get enough this with Prior/Wood in '04 and '05?

 

I'm not sure what this even means.

 

So we shouldn't have an extremely high upside guy who is an injury risk in our rotation because we've had pitchers who have gotten hurt a lot before (a lot of teams have histories like this, as pitchers tend to get hurt a lot)?

 

As you noted, we're not even relying on him that much.

[Soul]

That's a pretty bold, extreme statement to make before opening pitch in April.

 

About Harden being hurt or the Cubs having enough to win the NL Central without Harden?

 

Winning the Central without Harden.

 

Actually, winning anything before the first pitch is even thrown.

[David]

Not really. The Cubs are massive favorites for a reason.

 

What's the deal with people who worry about/warn against fans getting ahead of themselves and taking things for granted, anyway? We're not the players. We don't affect the outcome.

Edited April 6, 2009 by David

[Guest]

That's a pretty bold, extreme statement to make before opening pitch in April.

 

About Harden being hurt or the Cubs having enough to win the NL Central without Harden?

 

Winning the Central without Harden.

 

Actually, winning anything before the first pitch is even thrown.

All he said is that the cubs have enough to win the central without harden, he didn't say that they would.

[gflore34]

Harden had starts last year where he was mostly in the upper 80's. I don't know why some of you guys are so surprised at this. Concern is understandable, but his velocity was up and down last year, even more so toward the end of the season.

 

Not more than 2-3 weeks ago Bruce reported that he was averaging 93 in his simulated outing. This weekend could've just been a dead arm start.

 

Didn't we get enough this with Prior/Wood in '04 and '05?

 

I'm not sure what this even means.

 

So we shouldn't have an extremely high upside guy who is an injury risk in our rotation because we've had pitchers who have gotten hurt a lot before (a lot of teams have histories like this, as pitchers tend to get hurt a lot)?

 

As you noted, we're not even relying on him that much.

 

I meant the constant health questions, the Cubs and Harden assuring us nothing is wrong when, its obvious there's a problem. The infamous simulated starts were Harden looks ready to go, etc.

[David]

Harden looked good in his starts before the simulated one too. And Bruce was the one who reported to us (don't know if he saw it first hand or not) that Harden was in the mid-90s. I tend to trust him.

 

It's not that big of a leap to think, given his innings load (or lack thereof) this spring and his history and the history of pitchers in general that he was going through typical dead arm stuff that pitchers go through around this time of year (well, usually a little earlier). Lilly has sucked lately too and started last year throwing in the low 80's. It's not that uncommon.

 

I'm not saying there's nothing to be concerned about. I'm just saying it's not worth reacting much to until we see what happens in the next few weeks.

[ctcf]

So no one heard Mike and Mike?

[Soul]

That's a pretty bold, extreme statement to make before opening pitch in April.

 

About Harden being hurt or the Cubs having enough to win the NL Central without Harden?

 

Winning the Central without Harden.

 

Actually, winning anything before the first pitch is even thrown.

All he said is that the cubs have enough to win the central without harden, he didn't say that they would.

 

 

Well then what he said was meaningless. The Cards have enough to win the Central too, provided things go their way.

[Old Style]

I've heard OF them. :grin:

[Soul]

So no one heard Mike and Mike?

 

Unfortunately, I did not. Perhaps Olney will write it up into a web article later today.

[Old Style]

That's a pretty bold, extreme statement to make before opening pitch in April.

 

About Harden being hurt or the Cubs having enough to win the NL Central without Harden?

 

Winning the Central without Harden.

 

Actually, winning anything before the first pitch is even thrown.

All he said is that the cubs have enough to win the central without harden, he didn't say that they would.

 

 

Well then what he said was meaningless. The Cards have enough to win the Central too, provided things go their way.

And I have a chance to bang Marisa Miller, provided things go my way.

[Warren Brusstar]

Harden had starts last year where he was mostly in the upper 80's. I don't know why some of you guys are so surprised at this. Concern is understandable, but his velocity was up and down last year, even more so toward the end of the season.

 

Not more than 2-3 weeks ago Bruce reported that he was averaging 93 in his simulated outing. This weekend could've just been a dead arm start.

 

Didn't we get enough this with Prior/Wood in '04 and '05?

 

I'm not sure what this even means.

 

So we shouldn't have an extremely high upside guy who is an injury risk in our rotation because we've had pitchers who have gotten hurt a lot before (a lot of teams have histories like this, as pitchers tend to get hurt a lot)?

 

As you noted, we're not even relying on him that much.

 

I disagree that we're "not relying on him that much." He's one of our five starters and without him we're counting on either Jeff Samardzija or Aaron Heilman or Kevin Hart or Mitch Atkins to hold down a rotation spot. The fact is that we have very, very little depth in our starting rotation and a significant stretch without Harden could be extremely challenging.

[Prior4CyYoung]

Well then what he said was meaningless. The Cards have enough to win the Central too, provided things go their way.

And I have a chance to bang Marisa Miller, provided things go my way.

 

:clapping:

[Old Style]

I disagree that we're "not relying on him that much." He's one of our five starters and without him we're counting on either Jeff Samardzija or Aaron Heilman or Kevin Hart or Mitch Atkins to hold down a rotation spot. The fact is that we have very, very little depth in our starting rotation and a significant stretch without Harden could be extremely challenging.

Assume Harden goes down for a significant amount of time and we are forced to add Shark to the rotation. Name one team in the Central that will have a better rotation than the Cubs. Also, name one Central team with a better starting lineup than the Cubs. Go ahead. I'll be waiting patiently for your reply.

[anabiono]

I disagree that we're "not relying on him that much." He's one of our five starters and without him we're counting on either Jeff Samardzija or Aaron Heilman or Kevin Hart or Mitch Atkins to hold down a rotation spot. The fact is that we have very, very little depth in our starting rotation and a significant stretch without Harden could be extremely challenging.

Assume Harden goes down for a significant amount of time and we are forced to add Shark to the rotation. Name one team in the Central that will have a better rotation than the Cubs. Also, name one Central team with a better starting lineup than the Cubs. Go ahead. I'll be waiting patiently for your reply.

 

the cardinals

[David]

lol

[Old Style]

I disagree that we're "not relying on him that much." He's one of our five starters and without him we're counting on either Jeff Samardzija or Aaron Heilman or Kevin Hart or Mitch Atkins to hold down a rotation spot. The fact is that we have very, very little depth in our starting rotation and a significant stretch without Harden could be extremely challenging.

Assume Harden goes down for a significant amount of time and we are forced to add Shark to the rotation. Name one team in the Central that will have a better rotation than the Cubs. Also, name one Central team with a better starting lineup than the Cubs. Go ahead. I'll be waiting patiently for your reply.

 

the cardinals

:rotfl:

[anabiono]

laugh it up guys...they are talented

[Keener98]

I disagree that we're "not relying on him that much." He's one of our five starters and without him we're counting on either Jeff Samardzija or Aaron Heilman or Kevin Hart or Mitch Atkins to hold down a rotation spot. The fact is that we have very, very little depth in our starting rotation and a significant stretch without Harden could be extremely challenging.

Assume Harden goes down for a significant amount of time and we are forced to add Shark to the rotation. Name one team in the Central that will have a better rotation than the Cubs. Also, name one Central team with a better starting lineup than the Cubs. Go ahead. I'll be waiting patiently for your reply.

 

the cardinals

 

Please tell me you are joking, because the last time I checked Joel Pinerio(sp) and Todd Wellemeyer were in the Cardinals rotation. And Chris Carpenter is as big of injury risk at this point of his career as Harden. Ill take our replacements to the rotation over anybody the Cards can try to plug into theirs.