Milton Bradley Appreciation Thread

[TruffleShuffle]

I guess I just have a feeling a new GM would rather make a splash with a big signing than by just running a guy out of town. While that story might get you good press today, what about mid season '10 when the replacement is OPS'ing a hundred and fifty points less?

 

There's also the fact that the hatred of Milton by the bleacher bums might chill out if certain hack writers didn't get a kick out of inciting them.

 

He could do both. Run Milton out of town and make a big splash by signing Matt Holliday.

 

That would be a terrible splash.

 

I'd love that move.

 

Matt Holliday's career:

 

.318/.387/.547

 

Milton Bradley's career:

 

.279/.373/.453

 

Holliday is also two years younger, stays healthier and considerably less volatile.

 

coors field coors field coors field.

 

holliday's career road numbers: .282/.353/.454

[Tyrant]

 

5/80? 5/100?

 

5/80 would actually be a pretty reasonable deal for someone like Holliday. He's on the back-end of his prime, but there's a good chance that he'd outproduce that contract.

 

In November, you'll see a story floated out there from Boras that Holliday is looking for a 10-year/$180 million deal. That'll just be a classic Boras play, but I wouldn't be too shocked if the actual contract ended up something like 7/$135.

[SouthSideRyan]

7/135 for Holliday would be worse than Soriano's contract.

[jersey cubs fan]

7/135 for Holliday would be worse than Soriano's contract.

 

I doubt that. He's been consistently better throughout his career, has a better approach that would be much less prone to sudden decline, he'd be a year younger when signing it and it would last a year less.

[Tyrant]

7/135 for Holliday would be worse than Soriano's contract.

 

I didn't say it would be a good contract. Just that I wouldn't be all that surprised if someone paid it, especially if the Cardinals make a run in the postseason.

[TruffleShuffle]

if someone is paying 7/135 for holliday i hope to God it is the cardinals.

[SouthSideRyan]

7/135 for Holliday would be worse than Soriano's contract.

 

I doubt that. He's been consistently better throughout his career, has a better approach that would be much less prone to sudden decline, he'd be a year younger when signing it and it would last a year less.

 

7/135 in this offseason is not equal to 7/135 in the '06-'07 offseason.

 

I don't understand how Soriano's contract being a year longer is a hindrance. You don't think Soriano is going to be worth 1M in the 8th year of his deal?

 

*(This all hinges on Soriano sucking this year due to injury, not due to sucking)

[jersey cubs fan]

7/135 for Holliday would be worse than Soriano's contract.

 

I doubt that. He's been consistently better throughout his career, has a better approach that would be much less prone to sudden decline, he'd be a year younger when signing it and it would last a year less.

 

7/135 in this offseason is not equal to 7/135 in the '06-'07 offseason.

 

I don't understand how Soriano's contract being a year longer is a hindrance. You don't think Soriano is going to be worth 1M in the 8th year of his deal?

 

*(This all hinges on Soriano sucking this year due to injury, not due to sucking)

 

He's not making 1m in the last year, he'd be making slightly less per year for one year longer. And regardless of what the reason was for this year's sucking, everybody knew he was going to suck eventually under this deal, with or without injury. His approach lends itself to sudden and steep fall much moreso than Holliday, who will be younger when such a contract would be at the end.

 

And I don't see what 06/07 and 09/10 matters, if people are handing out the money, it's there. Last year sucked but the big money guys still got big money. And that is going to be the case still.

[ELCABALLO45]

I guess I just have a feeling a new GM would rather make a splash with a big signing than by just running a guy out of town. While that story might get you good press today, what about mid season '10 when the replacement is OPS'ing a hundred and fifty points less?

 

There's also the fact that the hatred of Milton by the bleacher bums might chill out if certain hack writers didn't get a kick out of inciting them.

 

He could do both. Run Milton out of town and make a big splash by signing Matt Holliday.

 

That would be a terrible splash.

 

I'd love that move.

 

Matt Holliday's career:

 

.318/.387/.547

 

Milton Bradley's career:

 

.279/.373/.453

 

Holliday is also two years younger, stays healthier and considerably less volatile.

 

coors field coors field coors field.

 

holliday's career road numbers: .282/.353/.454

 

Matt Holliday this year in April..

 

.240/.288/.360/.648

 

Since April....

 

.322/.410/.547/.957

[Sammy Sofa]

Matt Holliday this year in April..

 

.240/.288/.360/.648

 

Since April....

 

.322/.410/.547/.957

 

Part of that is inflated by him hitting out of his mind since the trade to St. Louis. It is no way realistic to assume that his performace as a Cardinal thus far would be indicative of his career onwards.

 

Again, he's a good hitter and he clearly got off to a slow start this year, but he's simply not as good as he's been so far with the Cardinals.

[ELCABALLO45]

Matt Holliday this year in April..

 

.240/.288/.360/.648

 

Since April....

 

.322/.410/.547/.957

 

Part of that is inflated by him hitting out of his mind since the trade to St. Louis. It is no way realistic to assume that his performace as a Cardinal thus far would be indicative of his career onwards.

 

Again, he's a good hitter and he clearly got off to a slow start this year, but he's simply not as good as he's been so far with the Cardinals.

 

Yes, and part of that is because of his HORRIBLE start this year. Obviously he is not 1.116 OPS good. But he is not .648 OPS bad either.

 

And agreed, and I never said he was as good as he as been playing.

[Sammy Sofa]

Matt Holliday this year in April..

 

.240/.288/.360/.648

 

Since April....

 

.322/.410/.547/.957

 

Part of that is inflated by him hitting out of his mind since the trade to St. Louis. It is no way realistic to assume that his performace as a Cardinal thus far would be indicative of his career onwards.

 

Again, he's a good hitter and he clearly got off to a slow start this year, but he's simply not as good as he's been so far with the Cardinals.

 

Yes, and part of that is because of his HORRIBLE start this year. Obviously he is not 1.116 OPS good. But he is not .648 OPS bad either.

 

And agreed, and I never said he was as good as he as been playing.

 

And nobody said he's as bad as he was at the start of the year.

[soapy]

Sort of back on topic:

 

Oh look, more reporters taking absurd shots at Bradley.

 

Tim Sassone[/url]"]Bradley was hitting .227 back then and has done little since, other than to create a hostile environment for himself on and off the field with his public comments about his problems with the fans at Wrigley Field being race related.

 

With all due respect to Soto, Zambrano and Alfonso Soriano, Bradley has been the Cubs' biggest disappointment with just 12 home runs and 37 RBI in 112 games.

 

Jake Fox and Mike Fontenot have knocked in more runs than Bradley.

 

Even back in June, Bradley was talking better than he was hitting.

 

"I just want to do better," Bradley told reporters. "What I've been doing just ain't cutting it. I want to live up to all the expectations of the fans and do what they want me to do. I'm working hard every day. Come October, hopefully they'll love me."

 

There you have it. Has done little since his June 15 comments about wanting to improve from where he was going into that series against the White Sox in June. Indeed a line of .293/.433/.447 makes Bradley the Cubs' "biggest disappointment" in the world of Tim Sassone. Perhaps Steve Stone was the ghost writer of this article. The fact that people are still claiming that Bradley played the race card is amazing.

[jersey cubs fan]

Sort of back on topic:

 

Oh look, more reporters taking absurd shots at Bradley.

 

Tim Sassone[/url]"]Bradley was hitting .227 back then and has done little since, other than to create a hostile environment for himself on and off the field with his public comments about his problems with the fans at Wrigley Field being race related.

 

With all due respect to Soto, Zambrano and Alfonso Soriano, Bradley has been the Cubs' biggest disappointment with just 12 home runs and 37 RBI in 112 games.

 

Jake Fox and Mike Fontenot have knocked in more runs than Bradley.

 

Even back in June, Bradley was talking better than he was hitting.

 

"I just want to do better," Bradley told reporters. "What I've been doing just ain't cutting it. I want to live up to all the expectations of the fans and do what they want me to do. I'm working hard every day. Come October, hopefully they'll love me."

 

There you have it. Has done little since his June 15 comments about wanting to improve from where he was going into that series against the White Sox in June. Indeed a line of .293/.433/.447 makes Bradley the Cubs' "biggest disappointment" in the world of Tim Sassone. Perhaps Steve Stone was the ghost writer of this article. The fact that people are still claiming that Bradley played the race card is amazing.

 

I read that this morning and was thoroughly annoyed. Bradley has earned some criticism this year, but it should be accurate. It's completely ridiculous to assert that Bradley is both the biggest disappoint and that he's done nothing since they last saw the Sox. I mean, it makes him sound like a complete idiot, and normally I think Sassone writes some sensible stuff.

[Little Slide Rooter]

The funny thing is, take away 2008, and Milton Bradley is on track for your average Milton Bradley season. average in the .270s-.280s, HR total in the teens, OPS in the .800s. I dont know why people were expecting him to repeat his Arlington numbers.

 

2009 Milton Bradley: .266/.395/.421/.816

MB career averages, including 2008 .279/.373/.453/.826

[SouthSideRyan]

The funny thing is, take away 2008, and Milton Bradley is on track for your average Milton Bradley season. average in the .270s-.280s, HR total in the teens, OPS in the .800s. I dont know why people were expecting him to repeat his Arlington numbers.

 

2009 Milton Bradley: .266/.395/.421/.816

MB career averages, including 2008 .279/.373/.453/.826

 

Bradley had an OPS of about 660 in his first ~800 PAs.

[sneakypower]

coors field coors field coors field.

 

holliday's career road numbers: .282/.353/.454

 

i guess he's a product of Oakland Coliseum and Busch, now?

[17 Seconds]

The funny thing is, take away 2008, and Milton Bradley is on track for your average Milton Bradley season. average in the .270s-.280s, HR total in the teens, OPS in the .800s. I dont know why people were expecting him to repeat his Arlington numbers.

 

2009 Milton Bradley: .266/.395/.421/.816

MB career averages, including 2008 .279/.373/.453/.826

 

Bradley had an OPS of about 660 in his first ~800 PAs.

 

Are you saying that skewed his career numbers to look worse than they are? Well if that's true, you also have to consider he had a 1.000 or so OPS for about his last 700 PAs before joining the Cubs..... and considering his track record and the fact that most of those came in Texas, that stretch seems more like an aberration than an accurate portrayal of the hitter he is. Just like that .660 OPS in his first 800 PAs was not an accurate portrayal.

 

I was hoping the 7 or so good months he had before joining the Cubs were some kind of progression for Bradley and he was going to be like a yearly .300/.400/.500 type guy, but I don't think that's the case anymore.

 

I think the numbers he's going to end up with this season are pretty close to the numbers he'll usually put up from here on out (and the numbers he's put up for the majority of his seasons). High on base, low power/slugging. I think he'll fluctate between like an .830-.900 OPS for the rest of his career, depending on what seasons he gets hot. I think usually he'll be around an .840/.850 OPS. A good, not great, hitter.

[TruffleShuffle]

coors field coors field coors field.

 

holliday's career road numbers: .282/.353/.454

 

i guess he's a product of Oakland Coliseum and Busch, now?

 

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