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Interesting mention from an article about Peavy wanting to be a Cub.

 

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Alderson politely declined to comment when asked if he'd be interested in running the Cubs if Ricketts buys the team.>>

 

This is the first I've seen this mentioned. I heard previously that the new owner of the Cubs would be adding a "baseball man" to run the Cubs. I guess Alderson is a candidate. I would hope the Ricketts family would try to get John Schuerolz.

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why did DePo leave the A's in the first place?

To run the Dodgers. I question whether Alderson can succeed without most of his players taking steroids. Most of those good A's teams had Canseco, Tejada, Giambi...

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why did DePo leave the A's in the first place?

To run the Dodgers. I question whether Alderson can succeed without most of his players taking steroids. Most of those good A's teams had Canseco, Tejada, Giambi...

 

mulder, zito, hudson...

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why did DePo leave the A's in the first place?

To run the Dodgers. I question whether Alderson can succeed without most of his players taking steroids. Most of those good A's teams had Canseco, Tejada, Giambi...

 

mulder, zito, hudson...

Given Mulder and Zito's history, I'm not sure they're the best examples to refute my statement

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Alderson talks a good game about running the Moneyball philosophy (in fact, I've never heard a baseball operations guy be so publicly forthcoming about his philosophy) but he, Depodesta, and Towers have done a pretty wretched job of getting the players to execute it for the Padres.
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why did DePo leave the A's in the first place?

To run the Dodgers. I question whether Alderson can succeed without most of his players taking steroids. Most of those good A's teams had Canseco, Tejada, Giambi...

 

mulder, zito, hudson...

Given Mulder and Zito's history, I'm not sure they're the best examples to refute my statement

 

I don't understand what you're getting at. I think it's safe to assume a majority of baseball players in the early 2000s were juicing. Should we also question the merits of other executives who ran successful teams in this era?

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why did DePo leave the A's in the first place?

To run the Dodgers. I question whether Alderson can succeed without most of his players taking steroids. Most of those good A's teams had Canseco, Tejada, Giambi...

 

mulder, zito, hudson...

Given Mulder and Zito's history, I'm not sure they're the best examples to refute my statement

 

I don't understand what you're getting at. I think it's safe to assume a majority of baseball players in the early 2000s were juicing. Should we also question the merits of other executives who ran successful teams in this era?

I think that certain teams (i.e. the Giants, A's, Rangers, Baltimore, etc.) seemed to be more heavily involved with steroids than other teams. For example, the only Cub I've read about taking steroids while on the team was Rondell White (actually I think there was one other in the Mitchell report), and I don't know of any White Sox players. Remember Dusty Baker's ability to "get the most" out of veterans? I think we now have the explanation for why that was. I'm not saying that Alderson isn't a good executive, but I do think it's worth questioning how much some of these executive's (and manager's) success was due to lax supervision compared to other teams.

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why did DePo leave the A's in the first place?

To run the Dodgers. I question whether Alderson can succeed without most of his players taking steroids. Most of those good A's teams had Canseco, Tejada, Giambi...

 

mulder, zito, hudson...

Given Mulder and Zito's history, I'm not sure they're the best examples to refute my statement

 

I don't understand what you're getting at. I think it's safe to assume a majority of baseball players in the early 2000s were juicing. Should we also question the merits of other executives who ran successful teams in this era?

I think that certain teams (i.e. the Giants, A's, Rangers, Baltimore, etc.) seemed to be more heavily involved with steroids than other teams. For example, the only Cub I've read about taking steroids while on the team was Rondell White (actually I think there was one other in the Mitchell report), and I don't know of any White Sox players. Remember Dusty Baker's ability to "get the most" out of veterans? I think we now have the explanation for why that was. I'm not saying that Alderson isn't a good executive, but I do think it's worth questioning how much some of these executive's (and manager's) success was due to lax supervision compared to other teams.

 

Nonsense. PED's have been in baseball for a long time. This wasn't something 3 or 4 teams were doing. Rondell White was far from the only Cub on the juice. As for Dusty's ability to "get the most" out of veterans, I would likley chalk that up to ficton spouted by foolish baseball writers, like "ozzyball" and Torre's intangibles and all that nonsense.

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Nonsense. PED's have been in baseball for a long time. This wasn't something 3 or 4 teams were doing. Rondell White was far from the only Cub on the juice. As for Dusty's ability to "get the most" out of veterans, I would likley chalk that up to ficton spouted by foolish baseball writers, like "ozzyball" and Torre's intangibles and all that nonsense.

1. I never said Rondell White was the only one. I was just saying that certain teams seemed to be at the center of it, leading me to believe that some teams had a higher percentage of players using them compared to others.

2. I'm pretty sure Tim or someone else did a statistical analysis showing that veteran's performances actually did improve under Dusty in San Francisco.

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Nonsense. PED's have been in baseball for a long time. This wasn't something 3 or 4 teams were doing. Rondell White was far from the only Cub on the juice. As for Dusty's ability to "get the most" out of veterans, I would likley chalk that up to ficton spouted by foolish baseball writers, like "ozzyball" and Torre's intangibles and all that nonsense.

1. I never said Rondell White was the only one. I was just saying that certain teams seemed to be at the center of it, leading me to believe that some teams had a higher percentage of players using them compared to others.

2. I'm pretty sure Tim or someone else did a statistical analysis showing that veteran's performances actually did improve under Dusty in San Francisco.

 

1. Just because some teams had more guys get caught doesn't mean those teams had more guys doing it.

2. I'd love to see the study if someone has a link. I'd be glad to read it with an open mind,

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why did DePo leave the A's in the first place?

To run the Dodgers. I question whether Alderson can succeed without most of his players taking steroids. Most of those good A's teams had Canseco, Tejada, Giambi...

 

mulder, zito, hudson...

Given Mulder and Zito's history, I'm not sure they're the best examples to refute my statement

 

I don't understand what you're getting at. I think it's safe to assume a majority of baseball players in the early 2000s were juicing. Should we also question the merits of other executives who ran successful teams in this era?

I think that certain teams (i.e. the Giants, A's, Rangers, Baltimore, etc.) seemed to be more heavily involved with steroids than other teams. For example, the only Cub I've read about taking steroids while on the team was Rondell White (actually I think there was one other in the Mitchell report), and I don't know of any White Sox players. Remember Dusty Baker's ability to "get the most" out of veterans? I think we now have the explanation for why that was. I'm not saying that Alderson isn't a good executive, but I do think it's worth questioning how much some of these executive's (and manager's) success was due to lax supervision compared to other teams.

 

The problem with that is that only so many players have been caught - and a host of those players have Bay area ties due to the location of Balco.

 

We know at least 103 other players tested positive for soem sort of PED in 2003; it'd be questionable to assume that a majority of them were from the four teams you mentioned.

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was alderson in charge of giving out MLB's suspensions? seems like the cubs always got longer suspensions than the norm.
I thought that was Bob Watson.

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