Dunn is awesome...No he's not...Yes he is!!!

[JimSorgi]

if you're doing this on purpose then I'm in on the joke

 

if not, well, keep going

I really hope it's not a joke.

[imb]

I know, it's been so slow lately.

[Keeper]

Jesus, you people are [expletive] idiots. Back to the Red Sox forum for me.

[imb]

what, don't blue ball us, check out some other threads at least

[JimSorgi]

Jesus, you people are ---SOAPDROPPING--- idiots. Back to the Red Sox forum for me.

I'm going to miss you. :bye:

[Keeper]

Absolutely not. They say, "Flattery will get you nowhere." But derision will get you nowhere fast. Find yourselves a new pincushion.

[imb]

dont give up that easy, maybe your R+RBI stat will catch on

[Guest]

dont give up that easy, maybe your R+RBI stat will catch on

That's the first thing that made me laugh all day long. Thanks!

[17 Seconds]

this has to be somebody else in diguise just trying to start stuff up. nobody can be this dumb.

 

i feel dumb now for wasting time trying to explain to him very simple concepts. it's like trying to explain to someone that it's not a good idea to tell racist jokes to black people

 

i also think it's pretty ironic that he says he's off to the forum of a team that has fully embraced sabermetrics and pretty much everything that he is calling stupid right now.

 

i hate obp.... you guys are dumb... looks like i'm off to the a's board

Edited January 4, 2009 by 17 Seconds

[17 Seconds]

Productivity

Ibanez > Dunn

 

lol

 

where is this productivity stat kept i looked all over

 

Ah, I see what might have tripped you up. What you do is you take runs scored and runs driven in and you add them together, see? It's a little something people like to call simple arithmetic.

 

that might make a little bit of sense if players wrere isngle handedly in charge of scoring runs and driving them in

[haltz]

What you do is you take runs scored and runs driven in and you add them together, see? It's a little something people like to call simple arithmetic.

Careful, that stat is skewed in Dunn's favor.

 

But add Ibanez's hits to his total bases

I don't know what this is called, but counting Ibanez's singles as doubles doesn't seem fair either.

[Keeper]

What you do is you take runs scored and runs driven in and you add them together, see? It's a little something people like to call simple arithmetic.

Careful, that stat is skewed in Dunn's favor.

 

?

Last 3 seasons:

Dunn: 577 total runs

Ibanez: 606 total runs

 

But add Ibanez's hits to his total bases

I don't know what this is called, but counting Ibanez's singles as doubles doesn't seem fair either.

 

In the heat of the moment, I misspoke. I realize now that doesn't make any sense, but the point stands. Dunn has 153 more walks than Ibanez. Ibanez has 143 more hits than Dunn. Including HBP, Dunn has gotten on base 744 times while Ibanez has gotten on base 723 times. The difference is negligible.

 

I will say this once again. Dunn is NOT "clearly" a better offensive player than Ibanez. Swallow your pride, and admit you were wrong. That's how you grow as a person. You should try it.

 

And just to set the records straight, no, this doesn't mean I'll stay on this forum. I just wanted to clear the total bases thing up because it bothered me after I read it.

[17 Seconds]

you're like the poster child for how not to use stats. seriously, this is the worst usage of numbers i've seen on here in a long time.

 

and yes, dunn is CLEARLY a better offensive player, and i proved that with basic stats. then you try to make up stats and use counting stats that don't even make sense. all the important rate stats CLEARLY show dunn is a better hitter. you just don't understand how to properly look at stats, that's all. either that or you just don't want to admit you were wrong. there's a reason everyone is basically telling you you don't know what you're talking about. it's because, well, you don't know what you're talking about. i mean seriously, look at some of the things you've said. runs + rbis = production? wow. just, wow. then you used skewed counting stats to try and show a "negligible" difference in on base ability, despite the fact that dunn consistently has a significanty better OBP than Ibanez every single year. that's not negligible. there are many more but i think my head will explode if i even try to explain to you how they make no sense.

 

now off to the message board of the red sox, an organization who has fully embraced pretty much all of the statistics and common theories we're explaining to you right now. i mean, jesus, they employ bill james.

[haltz]

In Dunn's favor. He has 50 more homeruns than Ibanez. RBI+R double-counts homers. Even if looking at RBIs was a good way to compare players, adding runs to it and leaving it at that is not.

 

Anyway, we know how much all of these offensive events are worth, and you've neglected to mention that Ibanez has 76 more plate appearances when you say that he's been on base only 20 less times. I could just as easily say he's made 100 more outs. If you look at their adjusted batting runs on fangraphs, Dunn's about 17 runs better over the last three years. Ibanez makes more outs and hits for less total bases during his at-bats (BtRuns on BRef gets you pretty close FWIW). It's been sort of close but Ibanez is 100 years old. Neither can play defense.

[Derwood]

just for fun (re: RBI+R)

 

Ryan Howard: 251

Alex Rodriguez: 207

 

guess which was the more productive hitter in 2008?

[TruffleShuffle]

i feel like it's that episode of south park, and "keeper" is "bob's keeper" from the evil parallel universe.

[wade]

i feel like it's that episode of south park, and "keeper" is "bob's keeper" from the evil parallel universe.

 

Thanks for reminding me that I miss bob's keeper's posts.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

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[Drew Doughty]

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:-))

[javy knows my name]

Is Vance not allowed to post content with words in it or something?

[Mephistopheles]

His posts are amusement for Addison, who can't read. The smileys work well.

 

Ironically, he's posting them for Tim because of the same reason.

[Sosa21MVP]

Productivity

Ibanez > Dunn

 

lol

 

where is this productivity stat kept i looked all over

 

Ah, I see what might have tripped you up. What you do is you take runs scored and runs driven in and you add them together, see? It's a little something people like to call simple arithmetic.

 

Wow. This account cannot be real, who is pulling our leg here? Seriously.

[Mephistopheles]

R+RBI is the greatest stat since 3 run saves.

[bcl412]

R+RBI is the greatest stat since 3 run saves.

 

I love me some GWRBI

[Mephistopheles]

SAC BUNTS! BETTER THAN HOME RUNS! Put that pressure on the defense baby, which is of course more important than scoring runs.