Re: Peavy High on Cubs Wish List

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From Churchill-

 

I was told this morning by Lee's agent Casey Close that Derrek has blocked a trade already. Not sure how far along the trade actually was, but sometime in the last 10 days, they went to Close and asked him about an AL team and the answer was no.

This should have it's own thread, not be in the Peavy thread.

 

Well he probably would have been traded as part of a Peavy deal, or at least a in a move that sets it up. Either way, I don't really think that info deserves it's own thread

[Jehrico]

From Churchill-

 

I was told this morning by Lee's agent Casey Close that Derrek has blocked a trade already. Not sure how far along the trade actually was, but sometime in the last 10 days, they went to Close and asked him about an AL team and the answer was no.

This should have it's own thread, not be in the Peavy thread.

 

Well he probably would have been traded as part of a Peavy deal, or at least a in a move that sets it up. Either way, I don't really think that info deserves it's own thread

I think it's pretty significant that they are trying to move Lee. Think of the second order effects besides Peavy...

[erik316wttn]

Lots of payroll flex if we lose Lee and Marquis. Dunn at first?

 

If he'd go for it, I'd be in favor.

 

This is where a guy like DeRosa becomes even more valuable. With his versatility, you can sign an OF and keep him to 2nd, or do something like sign Furcal at SS, move Riot to 2B and DeRo to the OF, or if you trade Lee, you can put DeRo at first and upgrade in other places. Wost case scenario, you can start Fontenot at 2B and move DeRo to RF. It's a nice problem to have and you're not handcuffed to find help at any one position. You can upgrade pretty much anywhere and put DeRo in to fix just about any hole.

[17 Seconds]

From Churchill-

 

I was told this morning by Lee's agent Casey Close that Derrek has blocked a trade already. Not sure how far along the trade actually was, but sometime in the last 10 days, they went to Close and asked him about an AL team and the answer was no.

This should have it's own thread, not be in the Peavy thread.

 

Well he probably would have been traded as part of a Peavy deal, or at least a in a move that sets it up. Either way, I don't really think that info deserves it's own thread

I think it's pretty significant that they are trying to move Lee. Think of the second order effects besides Peavy...

 

We don't know that they're "trying" to move Lee. They might just be "willing" to move him. There's a big difference. Either way, the context in which Churchill told me that implied that it was part of a Peavy trade, so I posted it in here.

[Jehrico]

From Churchill-

 

I was told this morning by Lee's agent Casey Close that Derrek has blocked a trade already. Not sure how far along the trade actually was, but sometime in the last 10 days, they went to Close and asked him about an AL team and the answer was no.

This should have it's own thread, not be in the Peavy thread.

 

Well he probably would have been traded as part of a Peavy deal, or at least a in a move that sets it up. Either way, I don't really think that info deserves it's own thread

I think it's pretty significant that they are trying to move Lee. Think of the second order effects besides Peavy...

 

We don't know that they're "trying" to move Lee. They might just be "willing" to move him. There's a big difference. Either way, the context in which Churchill told me that implied that it was part of a Peavy trade, so I posted it in here.

Earlier this month, one of Chicago's beat writers (I don't remember which) said Hendry was going to try to trade Lee, so this seems to corroborate that. That's part of why it's significant.

[17 Seconds]

From Churchill-

 

I was told this morning by Lee's agent Casey Close that Derrek has blocked a trade already. Not sure how far along the trade actually was, but sometime in the last 10 days, they went to Close and asked him about an AL team and the answer was no.

This should have it's own thread, not be in the Peavy thread.

 

Well he probably would have been traded as part of a Peavy deal, or at least a in a move that sets it up. Either way, I don't really think that info deserves it's own thread

I think it's pretty significant that they are trying to move Lee. Think of the second order effects besides Peavy...

 

We don't know that they're "trying" to move Lee. They might just be "willing" to move him. There's a big difference. Either way, the context in which Churchill told me that implied that it was part of a Peavy trade, so I posted it in here.

Earlier this month, one of Chicago's beat writers (I don't remember which) said Hendry was going to try to trade Lee, so this seems to corroborate that. That's part of why it's significant.

 

What were his exact words? Again, there is a huge difference between "trying to trade" someone and just listening to offers. I remember the article you're talking about and I think it was more of a "they're open to trading Lee" type thing. Do you remember the exact quote or the article?

[CUBZ99]

 

We don't know that they're "trying" to move Lee. They might just be "willing" to move him. There's a big difference. Either way, the context in which Churchill told me that implied that it was part of a Peavy trade, so I posted it in here.

 

 

I think the real question is ... whether there is a team that Lee is willing to accept a trade to? I'm surprised Churchill didn't follow up with his agent on that question.

[Jehrico]

From Churchill-

 

I was told this morning by Lee's agent Casey Close that Derrek has blocked a trade already. Not sure how far along the trade actually was, but sometime in the last 10 days, they went to Close and asked him about an AL team and the answer was no.

This should have it's own thread, not be in the Peavy thread.

 

Well he probably would have been traded as part of a Peavy deal, or at least a in a move that sets it up. Either way, I don't really think that info deserves it's own thread

I think it's pretty significant that they are trying to move Lee. Think of the second order effects besides Peavy...

 

We don't know that they're "trying" to move Lee. They might just be "willing" to move him. There's a big difference. Either way, the context in which Churchill told me that implied that it was part of a Peavy trade, so I posted it in here.

Earlier this month, one of Chicago's beat writers (I don't remember which) said Hendry was going to try to trade Lee, so this seems to corroborate that. That's part of why it's significant.

 

What were his exact words? Again, there is a huge difference between "trying to trade" someone and just listening to offers. I remember the article you're talking about and I think it was more of a "they're open to trading Lee" type thing. Do you remember the exact quote or the article?

I think you're splitting hairs at this point. I don't recall the exact quote because I can't recall which writer it was. I can't recall if it was a trib, suntimes, or herald writer either. Anyone else out there remember?

[17 Seconds]

From Churchill-

 

I was told this morning by Lee's agent Casey Close that Derrek has blocked a trade already. Not sure how far along the trade actually was, but sometime in the last 10 days, they went to Close and asked him about an AL team and the answer was no.

This should have it's own thread, not be in the Peavy thread.

 

Well he probably would have been traded as part of a Peavy deal, or at least a in a move that sets it up. Either way, I don't really think that info deserves it's own thread

I think it's pretty significant that they are trying to move Lee. Think of the second order effects besides Peavy...

 

We don't know that they're "trying" to move Lee. They might just be "willing" to move him. There's a big difference. Either way, the context in which Churchill told me that implied that it was part of a Peavy trade, so I posted it in here.

Earlier this month, one of Chicago's beat writers (I don't remember which) said Hendry was going to try to trade Lee, so this seems to corroborate that. That's part of why it's significant.

 

What were his exact words? Again, there is a huge difference between "trying to trade" someone and just listening to offers. I remember the article you're talking about and I think it was more of a "they're open to trading Lee" type thing. Do you remember the exact quote or the article?

I think you're splitting hairs at this point. I don't recall the exact quote because I can't recall which writer it was. I can't recall if it was a trib, suntimes, or herald writer either. Anyone else out there remember?

 

I don't really think it's splitting hairs. I'm sure there are a lot of guys on the team that they'd be willing to trade if it helped them get somebody else they really wanted. That doesn't mean they're trying to trade them. I'm not sure which of those categories Lee falls into, but I bet it's the latter.

[bhogg]

At what point does a guy like Lee say "screw it" and accept a trade? It may be obvious that his current club doesn't want him.

 

That's one thing I never understood about NTC. Once you're asked to waive it, the writing is probably on the wall . . . .

[Jehrico]

From Churchill-

 

I was told this morning by Lee's agent Casey Close that Derrek has blocked a trade already. Not sure how far along the trade actually was, but sometime in the last 10 days, they went to Close and asked him about an AL team and the answer was no.

This should have it's own thread, not be in the Peavy thread.

 

Well he probably would have been traded as part of a Peavy deal, or at least a in a move that sets it up. Either way, I don't really think that info deserves it's own thread

I think it's pretty significant that they are trying to move Lee. Think of the second order effects besides Peavy...

 

We don't know that they're "trying" to move Lee. They might just be "willing" to move him. There's a big difference. Either way, the context in which Churchill told me that implied that it was part of a Peavy trade, so I posted it in here.

Earlier this month, one of Chicago's beat writers (I don't remember which) said Hendry was going to try to trade Lee, so this seems to corroborate that. That's part of why it's significant.

 

What were his exact words? Again, there is a huge difference between "trying to trade" someone and just listening to offers. I remember the article you're talking about and I think it was more of a "they're open to trading Lee" type thing. Do you remember the exact quote or the article?

I think you're splitting hairs at this point. I don't recall the exact quote because I can't recall which writer it was. I can't recall if it was a trib, suntimes, or herald writer either. Anyone else out there remember?

 

I don't really think it's splitting hairs. I'm sure there are a lot of guys on the team that they'd be willing to trade if it helped them get somebody else they really wanted. That doesn't mean they're trying to trade them. I'm not sure which of those categories Lee falls into, but I bet it's the latter.

The team displayed unsolicited interest in trading Lee previously. I think the intent is pretty clear, they don't want to be stuck with him for the rest of his contract.

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From Churchill-

 

I was told this morning by Lee's agent Casey Close that Derrek has blocked a trade already. Not sure how far along the trade actually was, but sometime in the last 10 days, they went to Close and asked him about an AL team and the answer was no.

This should have it's own thread, not be in the Peavy thread.

 

Well he probably would have been traded as part of a Peavy deal, or at least a in a move that sets it up. Either way, I don't really think that info deserves it's own thread

I think it's pretty significant that they are trying to move Lee. Think of the second order effects besides Peavy...

 

We don't know that they're "trying" to move Lee. They might just be "willing" to move him. There's a big difference. Either way, the context in which Churchill told me that implied that it was part of a Peavy trade, so I posted it in here.

Earlier this month, one of Chicago's beat writers (I don't remember which) said Hendry was going to try to trade Lee, so this seems to corroborate that. That's part of why it's significant.

 

What were his exact words? Again, there is a huge difference between "trying to trade" someone and just listening to offers. I remember the article you're talking about and I think it was more of a "they're open to trading Lee" type thing. Do you remember the exact quote or the article?

I think you're splitting hairs at this point. I don't recall the exact quote because I can't recall which writer it was. I can't recall if it was a trib, suntimes, or herald writer either. Anyone else out there remember?

 

I don't really think it's splitting hairs. I'm sure there are a lot of guys on the team that they'd be willing to trade if it helped them get somebody else they really wanted. That doesn't mean they're trying to trade them. I'm not sure which of those categories Lee falls into, but I bet it's the latter.

The team displayed unsolicited interest in trading Lee previously. I think the intent is pretty clear, they don't want to be stuck with him for the rest of his contract.

 

Again, where did they show unsolicited interest? I haven't seen that anywhere. I think they only will trade it if it's necessary to improve the team. I don't they'd do it just to dump salary.

[inari]

At what point does a guy like Lee say "screw it" and accept a trade? It may be obvious that his current club doesn't want him.

 

That's one thing I never understood about NTC. Once you're asked to waive it, the writing is probably on the wall . . . .

 

That they want you gone? Sure. But you can not waive it for the duration of your contract if you choose to.

[17 Seconds]

At what point does a guy like Lee say "screw it" and accept a trade? It may be obvious that his current club doesn't want him.

 

That's one thing I never understood about NTC. Once you're asked to waive it, the writing is probably on the wall . . . .

 

He has a family

[bhogg]

At what point does a guy like Lee say "screw it" and accept a trade? It may be obvious that his current club doesn't want him.

 

That's one thing I never understood about NTC. Once you're asked to waive it, the writing is probably on the wall . . . .

 

He has a family

 

 

 

That's true, but he probably spends more time with the Cub organization than he does with his family (just like most of us do with our own jobs). Seems like it would be more difficult to stay where you're not wanted than to move to another team.

 

I'd have to believe that there's a good chance that he posture for the best trade possible (for he and his family).

[Clem Fandango]

Again, where did they show unsolicited interest? I haven't seen that anywhere. I think they only will trade it if it's necessary to improve the team. I don't they'd do it just to dump salary.

 

Dumping his salary will not benefit the team unless they dump it to free up space to sign someone like Mark Teixeira. I don't think they'd dump Lee without the intent on getting a equally good or better 1B. This team is trying to move forward, not backward. If they try and trade Lee, it will likely be for a step forward.

 

And you keep talking about "Who said they are trying to trade Lee?" when you yourself posted your source who, when you cut through all the muck, pretty much said they're trying to trade Lee. "Derrek has blocked a trade already" as quoted from his agent makes it seem pretty clear cut to me that yes, they are in fact trying to trade Derrek Lee. So I don't know why you keep going on about "There's a difference between trying to trade and listening to offers" when it's clear that the Cubs are trying/have tried to move him already based off Churchill's interactions with Lee's agent, so I'm confused as to why you keep harping on that whole thing.

[erik316wttn]

At what point does a guy like Lee say "screw it" and accept a trade? It may be obvious that his current club doesn't want him.

 

That's one thing I never understood about NTC. Once you're asked to waive it, the writing is probably on the wall . . . .

 

He has a family

 

 

 

That's true, but he probably spends more time with the Cub organization than he does with his family (just like most of us do with our own jobs). Seems like it would be more difficult to stay where you're not wanted than to move to another team.

 

I'd have to believe that there's a good chance that he posture for the best trade possible (for he and his family).

 

Doesn't his little girl have some sort of eye condition that causes blindness? Maybe if there was a good hospital nearby that could treat her he'd ok a trade. I know that would be first on my mind if I was in his position. However, if he doesn't want to move her or if he thinks she's already getting the best care that she can , he won't want to upset that. And I can't say that I blame him.

[17 Seconds]

Again, where did they show unsolicited interest? I haven't seen that anywhere. I think they only will trade it if it's necessary to improve the team. I don't they'd do it just to dump salary.

 

Dumping his salary will not benefit the team unless they dump it to free up space to sign someone like Mark Teixeira. I don't think they'd dump Lee without the intent on getting a equally good or better 1B. This team is trying to move forward, not backward. If they try and trade Lee, it will likely be for a step forward.

 

And you keep talking about "Who said they are trying to trade Lee?" when you yourself posted your source who, when you cut through all the muck, pretty much said they're trying to trade Lee. "Derrek has blocked a trade already" as quoted from his agent makes it seem pretty clear cut to me that yes, they are in fact trying to trade Derrek Lee. So I don't know why you keep going on about "There's a difference between trying to trade and listening to offers" when it's clear that the Cubs are trying/have tried to move him already based off Churchill's interactions with Lee's agent, so I'm confused as to why you keep harping on that whole thing.

 

How do you not see the difference?

 

trying to trade Lee- calling around, telling GMs that he's available. aka not wanting to go into the season with him

 

listening to offers- willing to trade him if the right deal presents itself, but ultimately being fine going into the season with him

 

that's what i'm talking about, at least. you may choose to use different words. churchill said they tried to trade him to a specific team. that doesn't automatically mean they are trying to trade him to any team. maybe that team offered them something that they really liked, or something that the padres really liked.

 

for example..... the cubs are willing to trade vitters, while the padres are trying to trade the padres. do you see the difference there?

[JeffH]

If a GM is not willing to trade any player in the organization, he should be fired immediately.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

At what point does a guy like Lee say "screw it" and accept a trade? It may be obvious that his current club doesn't want him.

 

That's one thing I never understood about NTC. Once you're asked to waive it, the writing is probably on the wall . . . .

 

He has a family

 

That doesn't live in Chicago.

[17 Seconds]

If a GM is not willing to trade any player in the organization, he should be fired immediately.

 

you need to stop

[Wrigley Rat]

Sean Marshall and Mike Fontenot are not available. At least not right now.

 

Team sources insist the left-handed pitcher and lefty-hitting second baseman are too valuable to the Cubs in their current roles and that Fontenot “could get some time at shortstop.’’

 

“Marshall would be tough to give up,’’ a source said, “because he is a lefty in the bullpen and also gives us protection (in the rotation) for (injury-prone) Harden.’’

http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2008/11/30/sportsextra/doc493340a8b95b4081405268.txt

- Dave Van Dyck of the Chicago Tribune

 

I don't believe this is true, but it's interesting. I imagine Marshall is a main part of any package for Peavy.

[cubsfan26]

The Cubs aren't looking just to dump Lee salary. If their going to trade him, they probably are getting a pretty decent package in return. So if they get a strong offer that allows them to get good talent in return, and save money they would listen. I still would be shocked if Lee is traded though, the combo of his no-trade clause with getting something of good value in return is hard to pull off. Lee will probably only accept a deal to a team that has a chance to win and plays on the west coast. Edited December 1, 2008 by cubsfan26

[cubsfan26]

Sean Marshall and Mike Fontenot are not available. At least not right now.

 

Team sources insist the left-handed pitcher and lefty-hitting second baseman are too valuable to the Cubs in their current roles and that Fontenot “could get some time at shortstop.’’

 

“Marshall would be tough to give up,’’ a source said, “because he is a lefty in the bullpen and also gives us protection (in the rotation) for (injury-prone) Harden.’’

http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2008/11/30/sportsextra/doc493340a8b95b4081405268.txt

- Dave Van Dyck of the Chicago Tribune

 

I don't believe this is true, but it's interesting. I imagine Marshall is a main part of any package for Peavy.

 

 

I'm sure the Cubs aren't looking to trade either guy, and probably aren't offering them in many deals. But I doubt the Cubs would not being willing to trade either, if they can get a quality players in return.

[shnsajax]

Lots of payroll flex if we lose Lee and Marquis. Dunn at first?

 

If he'd go for it, I'd be in favor.

 

This is where a guy like DeRosa becomes even more valuable. With his versatility, you can sign an OF and keep him to 2nd, or do something like sign Furcal at SS, move Riot to 2B and DeRo to the OF, or if you trade Lee, you can put DeRo at first and upgrade in other places. Wost case scenario, you can start Fontenot at 2B and move DeRo to RF. It's a nice problem to have and you're not handcuffed to find help at any one position. You can upgrade pretty much anywhere and put DeRo in to fix just about any hole.

 

Watching Dunn attempt to stretch and dig any ball out of the dirt would be hilarious.