Re: NHL season 2008-09

[bcl412]

I can see similarities between Avery and Rodman. Bulls fans loved Rodman.

hated/loved

 

True. I didn't like Rodman and I don't like Avery but I can see why one would like him.

[NewUserName]

I have never regretted that the wings traded Avery away.

 

I think Avery can have a huge impact against a team that is not mentally disciplined. I think legitimate Stanley Cup contenders are not going to be influenced one way or another from Avery's tactics. Very similar to people who think toughness is some sort of line brawl...you really want to get under another teams skin...win battles in the corners, win face-offs, put pressure on the goaltender in front of the net, block shots, kill penalties. Players who do those things are getting in the heads of other teams much more than the sean avery's

[17 Seconds]

I can see similarities between Avery and Rodman. Bulls fans loved Rodman.

 

rodman was way better than avery is

[kujay]

San Jose couldn't help St. Louis tonight. And they didn't help themselves by beating Dallas. Tied again with Nashville, but they have the tiebreaker. This has been such a great race. Center Ice was a great purchase this year.

[RedFlash]

I can see similarities between Avery and Rodman. Bulls fans loved Rodman.

 

rodman was way better than avery is

 

Rodman was liked by his teammate---for the most part---and hated by opponents. Avery is simply hated by teammates, opponents, coaches, fans, refs, his mother, etc, etc. If there is one person that everybody wants to punch in the face, it is Sean Avery. Does anybody actually think his Rangers teammates were thrilled when the Rangers brought him back? I know the Rangers current head coach absolutely did not want him back. I really can't think of another player as universally hated in his sport to compare Avery to. Maybe Ty Cobb.

 

There are certain similarities, but this is a case of red apples .v. green apples.

[jaydee]

I can see similarities between Avery and Rodman. Bulls fans loved Rodman.

 

rodman was way better than avery is

 

Rodman was liked by his teammate---for the most part---and hated by opponents. Avery is simply hated by teammates, opponents, coaches, fans, refs, his mother, etc, etc. If there is one person that everybody wants to punch in the face, it is Sean Avery. Does anybody actually think his Rangers teammates were thrilled when the Rangers brought him back? I know the Rangers current head coach absolutely did not want him back. I really can't think of another player as universally hated in his sport to compare Avery to. Maybe Ty Cobb.

 

There are certain similarities, but this is a case of red apples .v. green apples.

 

Tortorella said something on TSN about avery after he made fun of Dion. I wouldn't put much stock into what he said on TSN. They have people come on and act outraged about hockey stories similar to what ESPN does with football. Tortorella was told when he got the job that the Rangers would be bringing Avery back. If he was so opposed to it he would not have taken the job. I think Avery is good friends with Gomez, Henrik, and several other rangers so he clearly isn't always hated by teammates.

[jaydee]

He pretty much drops them with anyone... he's faced some tough customers and usually loses.

 

thomas must be really scary then, because avery turtled like a little girl when the goalie came after him.

 

Jumped him from behind.

 

right i'm sure avery had no idea that a goalie who he'd just hit in the head with his stick would come after him.

 

He probably figured it would be more infuriating to the Bruins if he turtled and refused to go with anyone after that. I think rational hockey fans who don't like Avery would at least admit that he has no fear in his game and takes more punishment than anyone else who plays considering his size.

[Cynosure]

If he was a cancer in the Rangers club house, they wouldn't have brought him back.

 

What are the Rangers? Like 58-37-12 or something with Avery in the line up?

[jaydee]

So you wish injury on him because hes annoying?

 

no i wish injury on him because he's a terrible person.

 

If you don't think anyone else acts like him you should watch Corey Perry, Steve Ott, Matt Cooke, Patrick Kaleta, Tootoo, Tucker, or Jarko Ruutu play.

 

i've seen all of them play; i haven't seen any of them consistently stoop to the level that avery stoops to.

 

Actually Ott has many times. He actually TRIES to injure people when he gets pissed, Avery just becomes a bigger douchebag pest.

 

Ott took out Sharp for 6 weeks with a dirty knee-to-knee hit just this year.

 

Oh and lets not forget what happened a couple days ago:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wRHHk86KhU

 

Clearly, giving Thomas a love tap on the back of the head is worse than running around causing serious injury.

[TruffleShuffle]

Clearly, giving Thomas a love tap on the back of the head is worse than running around causing serious injury.

 

you're not very good at putting words in my mouth... you probably should let me do the talking for myself.

[NewUserName]

I really hate minnesota...everytime I watch them play they get thoroughly whooped, yet somehow make a game out of it everytime

 

I hope the Wings do not have to play Anehiem in the first round. Not that I dont think we would beat them, they would just take a lot to beat at this point.

[sneakypower]

I really hate minnesota...everytime I watch them play they get thoroughly whooped, yet somehow make a game out of it everytime

 

I hope the Wings do not have to play Anehiem in the first round. Not that I dont think we would beat them, they would just take a lot to beat at this point.

it's not their fault Osgood stepped out of net to pass the puck right to Clutterbuck. they were thoroughly outplayed all game and just got lucky breaks to keep it close.

[NewUserName]

but thats my point. Minnesota didnt belong on the ice yesterday with Detroit. It took a goal by Hossa with a minute left to keep them from getting a point. Like I said, I dont know how they do it, they just seem to be in every game even though they are not very good.

[jaydee]

Clearly, giving Thomas a love tap on the back of the head is worse than running around causing serious injury.

 

you're not very good at putting words in my mouth... you probably should let me do the talking for myself.

 

Why? You have said multiple times that Avery stoops lower than anyone else in the league. The fact is he does annoying things that don't injure anyone but do a great job agitating/instigating opponents. There are plenty of guys in the league who go around playing dangerously and sometimes trying to seriously hurt other players. That is much worse than what Avery does in my opinion.

[NewUserName]

I think the main difference between Avery and several other players in the league is that Avery is a glory hound. To me, since wants to be the center of attention, that means he is going to get all kinds of attention. I dont think he cares though. I also dont think his antics are as effective as he and many others think.

[Cynosure]

I think the main difference between Avery and several other players in the league is that Avery is a glory hound. To me, since wants to be the center of attention, that means he is going to get all kinds of attention. I dont think he cares though. I also dont think his antics are as effective as he and many others think.

 

I'd like to attribute his goal after his 'Avery Screen' against Brodeur to him. He pissed Brodeur off so bad you could tell in the body language of Brodeur... then he comes back down and puts one right by him as he is setting up the screen AGAIN.

[jaydee]

I think the main difference between Avery and several other players in the league is that Avery is a glory hound. To me, since wants to be the center of attention, that means he is going to get all kinds of attention. I dont think he cares though. I also dont think his antics are as effective as he and many others think.

 

I think his antics are effective when he plays how he has played with the Rangers. When he was on LA and Dallas (didn't see him much on Detroit so can't say) he wasn't very effective - he just instigated and caused chaos. Generally as a Ranger he has been pretty effective, but still crosses that line sometimes.

[jersey cubs fan]

I think the main difference between Avery and several other players in the league is that Avery is a glory hound. To me, since wants to be the center of attention, that means he is going to get all kinds of attention. I dont think he cares though. I also dont think his antics are as effective as he and many others think.

 

I think his antics are effective when he plays how he has played with the Rangers. When he was on LA and Dallas (didn't see him much on Detroit so can't say) he wasn't very effective - he just instigated and caused chaos. Generally as a Ranger he has been pretty effective, but still crosses that line sometimes.

 

How effective has he been? Aren't the Rangers on the verge of missing the playoffs?

 

I stumbled onto tickets through work for Thursday's game against Philly.

[Cynosure]

I think the main difference between Avery and several other players in the league is that Avery is a glory hound. To me, since wants to be the center of attention, that means he is going to get all kinds of attention. I dont think he cares though. I also dont think his antics are as effective as he and many others think.

 

I think his antics are effective when he plays how he has played with the Rangers. When he was on LA and Dallas (didn't see him much on Detroit so can't say) he wasn't very effective - he just instigated and caused chaos. Generally as a Ranger he has been pretty effective, but still crosses that line sometimes.

 

How effective has he been? Aren't the Rangers on the verge of missing the playoffs?

 

I stumbled onto tickets through work for Thursday's game against Philly.

 

Yea but Avery is the only reason they're still even in the hunt. Since he came back they've been pretty damn good.

[jersey cubs fan]

I think the main difference between Avery and several other players in the league is that Avery is a glory hound. To me, since wants to be the center of attention, that means he is going to get all kinds of attention. I dont think he cares though. I also dont think his antics are as effective as he and many others think.

 

I think his antics are effective when he plays how he has played with the Rangers. When he was on LA and Dallas (didn't see him much on Detroit so can't say) he wasn't very effective - he just instigated and caused chaos. Generally as a Ranger he has been pretty effective, but still crosses that line sometimes.

 

How effective has he been? Aren't the Rangers on the verge of missing the playoffs?

 

I stumbled onto tickets through work for Thursday's game against Philly.

 

Yea but Avery is the only reason they're still even in the hunt. Since he came back they've been pretty damn good.

 

But since he came back, haven't they fallen from like a 5/6 seed to tied for 8th?

[jaydee]

I think the main difference between Avery and several other players in the league is that Avery is a glory hound. To me, since wants to be the center of attention, that means he is going to get all kinds of attention. I dont think he cares though. I also dont think his antics are as effective as he and many others think.

 

I think his antics are effective when he plays how he has played with the Rangers. When he was on LA and Dallas (didn't see him much on Detroit so can't say) he wasn't very effective - he just instigated and caused chaos. Generally as a Ranger he has been pretty effective, but still crosses that line sometimes.

 

How effective has he been? Aren't the Rangers on the verge of missing the playoffs?

 

I stumbled onto tickets through work for Thursday's game against Philly.

 

I think they have fallen a bit lately, but it is mostly because they are not a very good team and have a very tough schedule right now. They have been falling in the standings all year I think, they started off incredible and have slowly descended from the #1 seed to now barely holding onto #8.

[Cynosure]

I think the main difference between Avery and several other players in the league is that Avery is a glory hound. To me, since wants to be the center of attention, that means he is going to get all kinds of attention. I dont think he cares though. I also dont think his antics are as effective as he and many others think.

 

I think his antics are effective when he plays how he has played with the Rangers. When he was on LA and Dallas (didn't see him much on Detroit so can't say) he wasn't very effective - he just instigated and caused chaos. Generally as a Ranger he has been pretty effective, but still crosses that line sometimes.

 

How effective has he been? Aren't the Rangers on the verge of missing the playoffs?

 

I stumbled onto tickets through work for Thursday's game against Philly.

 

Yea but Avery is the only reason they're still even in the hunt. Since he came back they've been pretty damn good.

 

But since he came back, haven't they fallen from like a 5/6 seed to tied for 8th?

 

I believe they were a 9th seed (or tied for 8th) when he returned then they went up to 5th or 6th again and then Montreal, Carolina, and Pittsburgh caught absolute fire.

[NewUserName]

I think the main difference between Avery and several other players in the league is that Avery is a glory hound. To me, since wants to be the center of attention, that means he is going to get all kinds of attention. I dont think he cares though. I also dont think his antics are as effective as he and many others think.

 

I think his antics are effective when he plays how he has played with the Rangers. When he was on LA and Dallas (didn't see him much on Detroit so can't say) he wasn't very effective - he just instigated and caused chaos. Generally as a Ranger he has been pretty effective, but still crosses that line sometimes.

 

I dont think Detroit would have let Avery become Avery. Team is always bigger than individuals there. I dont want to sound like a homer, but I think that is one thing that most hockey fans can agree with about Detroit. Most Wings fans liked Avery very much, but understood that getting Schnieder was a big part of future success. Anyway, I say this because I think Dallas has always been a team were team is bigger than individuals. This is why Avery struggled there. The Rangers have always been more about personalities....which may be why they are always one of the biggest disappointments in hockey.

 

edit: this also shows how Brett Hull needs to understand how he won cups when he did...when he was the star individual in St Louis, they always fell short. When he became part of teams in Dallas and Detroit, he went on to win a couple of Cups. So far some of Hull's moves as a GM seem to point to him being more about individuals than how are these players going to fit into the team structure.

[jaydee]

Carolina is beating the Islanders 8-0. Islanders are being outshot 50-8.

[TruffleShuffle]

Carolina is beating the Islanders 8-0. Islanders are being outshot 50-8.

 

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