If Kosuke stays, move him to CF and sign Abreau or Bradley.

[ChiCubsfan0502]

In a perfect world, Kosuke works hard this off-season, fixes his swing and becomes the presence he was in April and May of 2008.

 

The lack of a left handed bat killed this team again in the playoffs. If Kosuke moves to CF, sign Abreau or Bradley to patrol RF.

 

Abreau is still putting up great numbers and so is Bradley. If you add one of these guys to the mix, our lineup is not going to be Neutralized in the playoffs.

[jersey cubs fan]

The lack of a left handed bat killed this team again in the playoffs.

 

That's not what killed the team. Edmonds was a LH bat in the middle of the lineup that hit several hard hit balls. Fontenot was a force against RHP this year, and played in game 3 when the offense may have been at its worst.

 

Sure, it would be great to have somebody like JD Drew, Utley, Hamilton or Teixeira in the order, but that's because they are good hitters, not because of what side of the batters box they hit from. Ideally they can find a great LH bat, but the focus should be on great, not the LH part.

[SouthSideRyan]

Bobby Abreu is older than dirt, and Milton Bradley can't play a full season in the field.

[ChiCubsfan0502]

Bobby Abreu is older than dirt, and Milton Bradley can't play a full season in the field.

 

20 HR, 100 RBI for that "older then dirt" player. He's also two years younger then Manny. He's worth a two year deal.

 

EDIT: 371 OBP as well. The guy can still play and play at a high level.

[fromthestretch]

Bobby Abreu is older than dirt, and Milton Bradley can't play a full season in the field.

 

20 HR, 100 RBI for that "older then dirt" player. He's also two years younger then Manny. He's worth a two year deal.

 

EDIT: 371 OBP as well. The guy can still play and play at a high level.

 

Worth a two-year deal? Perhaps. Willing to sign a two-year deal? Doubtful. He's going to want at least three, possibly four. While he does do a good job of getting on base, his walk rate is also starting to decline.

[anabiono]

Dunn Dunn Dunn Dunn DUNN

 

s c johnson wax

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there's at least 1, if not more, thread discussing almost this exact same thing in Transactions.

[jersey cubs fan]

Bobby Abreu is older than dirt, and Milton Bradley can't play a full season in the field.

 

20 HR, 100 RBI for that "older then dirt" player. He's also two years younger then Manny. He's worth a two year deal.

 

EDIT: 371 OBP as well. The guy can still play and play at a high level.

 

Worth a two-year deal? Perhaps. Willing to sign a two-year deal? Doubtful. He's going to want at least three, possibly four. While he does do a good job of getting on base, his walk rate is also starting to decline.

 

I still don't understand why the Cubs didn't go after Abreu when Philly was dumping him, that was the time to strike. Now I'm not so sure. He is old and may be nearing the end, and he is more or less worthless in the field. I would like to see them add something to the Soriano, Pie, Johnson, Fukudome, DeRosa OF mix. A guy like Milton Bradley doesn't have to play a full season to be of help. He could be like the lineup's version of Rich Harden. Play him enough in the season to help the team make the playoffs, but save him for the everyday lineup once October rolls around. This team can afford such a player.

[ChiCubsfan0502]

Bobby Abreu is older than dirt, and Milton Bradley can't play a full season in the field.

 

20 HR, 100 RBI for that "older then dirt" player. He's also two years younger then Manny. He's worth a two year deal.

 

EDIT: 371 OBP as well. The guy can still play and play at a high level.

 

Worth a two-year deal? Perhaps. Willing to sign a two-year deal? Doubtful. He's going to want at least three, possibly four. While he does do a good job of getting on base, his walk rate is also starting to decline.

 

 

I might go three years if I had to. Lets face it, our offense is the problem and has been in the postseason the last two years. We have been worked over by dominant, right handed pitching.

 

Imagine this:

 

Roberts in a trade for Derosa.

Fukudome

Soriano

A-Ram

Abreau

Lee

Soto

Cendeno or Theriot

[fromthestretch]

I still don't understand why the Cubs didn't go after Abreu when Philly was dumping him, that was the time to strike. Now I'm not so sure. He is old and may be nearing the end, and he is more or less worthless in the field.

 

I agree with that. IIRC, the Yanks gave up quantity but not quality to get him AND Lidle. Abreu still has a decent arm, but his range isn't much to talk about. I think he might have one or two more quality years left in him, but his best seasons are definitely behind him. He's not worth a the three or four-year deal he's probably seeking.

[fromthestretch]

Bobby Abreu is older than dirt, and Milton Bradley can't play a full season in the field.

 

20 HR, 100 RBI for that "older then dirt" player. He's also two years younger then Manny. He's worth a two year deal.

 

EDIT: 371 OBP as well. The guy can still play and play at a high level.

 

Worth a two-year deal? Perhaps. Willing to sign a two-year deal? Doubtful. He's going to want at least three, possibly four. While he does do a good job of getting on base, his walk rate is also starting to decline.

 

 

I might go three years if I had to. Lets face it, our offense is the problem and has been in the postseason the last two years. We have been worked over by dominant, right handed pitching.

 

Imagine this:

 

Roberts in a trade for Derosa.

Fukudome

Soriano

A-Ram

Abreau

Lee

Soto

Cendeno or Theriot

 

You're not going to get Roberts in a deal for DeRosa. Just isn't going to happen. And considering the Cubs had the best offense in the league, I find it odd to say the offense is the problem. Yes, they struggled in the postseason. But you don't say the offense is a problem based on a three-game sample. The pitching and defense played a large role in the Cubs playoff failures this season, so it's not fair to lay it all on the offense. I also find it odd that you want to trade DeRosa, considering your emphasis on postseason offense, when he did a good job with the bat this postseason. Even though it's a small sample size, his career postseason numbers are very good.

[ChiCubsfan0502]

Bobby Abreu is older than dirt, and Milton Bradley can't play a full season in the field.

 

20 HR, 100 RBI for that "older then dirt" player. He's also two years younger then Manny. He's worth a two year deal.

 

EDIT: 371 OBP as well. The guy can still play and play at a high level.

 

Worth a two-year deal? Perhaps. Willing to sign a two-year deal? Doubtful. He's going to want at least three, possibly four. While he does do a good job of getting on base, his walk rate is also starting to decline.

 

 

I might go three years if I had to. Lets face it, our offense is the problem and has been in the postseason the last two years. We have been worked over by dominant, right handed pitching.

 

Imagine this:

 

Roberts in a trade for Derosa.

Fukudome

Soriano

A-Ram

Abreau

Lee

Soto

Cendeno or Theriot

 

You're not going to get Roberts in a deal for DeRosa. Just isn't going to happen. And considering the Cubs had the best offense in the league, I find it odd to say the offense is the problem. Yes, they struggled in the postseason. But you don't say the offense is a problem based on a three-game sample. The pitching and defense played a large role in the Cubs playoff failures this season, so it's not fair to lay it all on the offense. I also find it odd that you want to trade DeRosa, considering your emphasis on postseason offense, when he did a good job with the bat this postseason. Even though it's a small sample size, his career postseason numbers are very good.

 

 

I like DeRo, I just think we need to deal for Roberts and MacPhail will absolutely want DeRo in any package we give the O's.

 

Yes, our pitching and D were not very good. However, our offense has never allowed our pitching and D to relax in the last two postseasons.

 

We need to change the offense.

[anabiono]

Bobby Abreu is older than dirt, and Milton Bradley can't play a full season in the field.

 

20 HR, 100 RBI for that "older then dirt" player. He's also two years younger then Manny. He's worth a two year deal.

 

EDIT: 371 OBP as well. The guy can still play and play at a high level.

 

Worth a two-year deal? Perhaps. Willing to sign a two-year deal? Doubtful. He's going to want at least three, possibly four. While he does do a good job of getting on base, his walk rate is also starting to decline.

 

 

I might go three years if I had to. Lets face it, our offense is the problem and has been in the postseason the last two years. We have been worked over by dominant, right handed pitching.

 

Imagine this:

 

Roberts in a trade for Derosa.

Fukudome

Soriano

A-Ram

Abreau

Lee

Soto

Cendeno or Theriot

 

You're not going to get Roberts in a deal for DeRosa. Just isn't going to happen. And considering the Cubs had the best offense in the league, I find it odd to say the offense is the problem. Yes, they struggled in the postseason. But you don't say the offense is a problem based on a three-game sample. The pitching and defense played a large role in the Cubs playoff failures this season, so it's not fair to lay it all on the offense. I also find it odd that you want to trade DeRosa, considering your emphasis on postseason offense, when he did a good job with the bat this postseason. Even though it's a small sample size, his career postseason numbers are very good.

 

 

I like DeRo, I just think we need to deal for Roberts and MacPhail will absolutely want DeRo in any package we give the O's.

 

Yes, our pitching and D were not very good. However, our offense has never allowed our pitching and D to relax in the last two postseasons.

 

We need to change the offense.

 

as much as i dig dero, i agree

 

if we could swing brob, it would be a welcome addition that comes with the extra super awesome element of soriano finally leaving the leadoff spot

[KingCubsFan]

Bobby Abreu is older than dirt, and Milton Bradley can't play a full season in the field.

 

20 HR, 100 RBI for that "older then dirt" player. He's also two years younger then Manny. He's worth a two year deal.

 

EDIT: 371 OBP as well. The guy can still play and play at a high level.

 

Worth a two-year deal? Perhaps. Willing to sign a two-year deal? Doubtful. He's going to want at least three, possibly four. While he does do a good job of getting on base, his walk rate is also starting to decline.

 

 

I might go three years if I had to. Lets face it, our offense is the problem and has been in the postseason the last two years. We have been worked over by dominant, right handed pitching.

 

Imagine this:

 

Roberts in a trade for Derosa.

Fukudome

Soriano

A-Ram

Abreau

Lee

Soto

Cendeno or Theriot

 

You're not going to get Roberts in a deal for DeRosa. Just isn't going to happen. And considering the Cubs had the best offense in the league, I find it odd to say the offense is the problem. Yes, they struggled in the postseason. But you don't say the offense is a problem based on a three-game sample. The pitching and defense played a large role in the Cubs playoff failures this season, so it's not fair to lay it all on the offense. I also find it odd that you want to trade DeRosa, considering your emphasis on postseason offense, when he did a good job with the bat this postseason. Even though it's a small sample size, his career postseason numbers are very good.

 

 

I like DeRo, I just think we need to deal for Roberts and MacPhail will absolutely want DeRo in any package we give the O's.

 

Yes, our pitching and D were not very good. However, our offense has never allowed our pitching and D to relax in the last two postseasons.

 

We need to change the offense.

Other than Game 1, our pitching (and mostly defense) gave up the runs first, causing our offense to press. Dempster blew it in Game 1 with all his walks. In reality, it was our pitching and D that didn't allow our O to relax.

[jersey cubs fan]

I like DeRo, I just think we need to deal for Roberts and MacPhail will absolutely want DeRo in any package we give the O's.

 

Yes, our pitching and D were not very good. However, our offense has never allowed our pitching and D to relax in the last two postseasons.

 

We need to change the offense.

 

Why would Andy insist on a 34-year old player in the last year of his contract for his team that is several years away from contending?

 

I think the offense needs to be tweaked. They were #1 this year, but #8 the year before with a very similar cast. I have a feeling they will fall back toward the middle of the pack if they stay with what they got.

[anabiono]

I like DeRo, I just think we need to deal for Roberts and MacPhail will absolutely want DeRo in any package we give the O's.

 

Yes, our pitching and D were not very good. However, our offense has never allowed our pitching and D to relax in the last two postseasons.

 

We need to change the offense.

 

Why would Andy insist on a 34-year old player in the last year of his contract for his team that is several years away from contending?

 

I think the offense needs to be tweaked. They were #1 this year, but #8 the year before with a very similar cast. I have a feeling they will fall back toward the middle of the pack if they stay with what they got.

 

he might want him because

 

a. he is cheap for his production rate

b. there is a good chance he has another good year and nets him a couple of picks

[jersey cubs fan]

I like DeRo, I just think we need to deal for Roberts and MacPhail will absolutely want DeRo in any package we give the O's.

 

Yes, our pitching and D were not very good. However, our offense has never allowed our pitching and D to relax in the last two postseasons.

 

We need to change the offense.

 

Why would Andy insist on a 34-year old player in the last year of his contract for his team that is several years away from contending?

 

I think the offense needs to be tweaked. They were #1 this year, but #8 the year before with a very similar cast. I have a feeling they will fall back toward the middle of the pack if they stay with what they got.

 

he might want him because

 

a. he is cheap for his production rate

b. there is a good chance he has another good year and nets him a couple of picks

 

$5.5 million for one year. If he repeats 2008, sure that's cheap. But at 34, how likely is that? They might be able to throw in DeRosa to such a deal, but I doubt Andy will insist on getting him. I'd rather avoid Baltimore given how much of a waste it is dealing with Angelos.

[Backtobanks]

I like DeRo, I just think we need to deal for Roberts and MacPhail will absolutely want DeRo in any package we give the O's.

 

Yes, our pitching and D were not very good. However, our offense has never allowed our pitching and D to relax in the last two postseasons.

 

We need to change the offense.

 

Why would Andy insist on a 34-year old player in the last year of his contract for his team that is several years away from contending?

 

I think the offense needs to be tweaked. They were #1 this year, but #8 the year before with a very similar cast. I have a feeling they will fall back toward the middle of the pack if they stay with what they got.

 

he might want him because

 

a. he is cheap for his production rate

b. there is a good chance he has another good year and nets him a couple of picks

 

MacPhail might want a package centered around Theriot/Cedeno, but not DeRosa.

[anabiono]

I like DeRo, I just think we need to deal for Roberts and MacPhail will absolutely want DeRo in any package we give the O's.

 

Yes, our pitching and D were not very good. However, our offense has never allowed our pitching and D to relax in the last two postseasons.

 

We need to change the offense.

 

Why would Andy insist on a 34-year old player in the last year of his contract for his team that is several years away from contending?

 

I think the offense needs to be tweaked. They were #1 this year, but #8 the year before with a very similar cast. I have a feeling they will fall back toward the middle of the pack if they stay with what they got.

 

he might want him because

 

a. he is cheap for his production rate

b. there is a good chance he has another good year and nets him a couple of picks

 

MacPhail might want a package centered around Theriot/Cedeno, but not DeRosa.

 

this is true, and ultimately good for us considering the supersub ability of dero

 

but since we have fontenot, i wouldn't hesitate to throw dero in the package if he is a needed chip

[rchap24]

Bobby Abreu is older than dirt, and Milton Bradley can't play a full season in the field.

 

20 HR, 100 RBI for that "older then dirt" player. He's also two years younger then Manny. He's worth a two year deal.

 

EDIT: 371 OBP as well. The guy can still play and play at a high level.

 

Doesn't he still steal about 20 bases a year as well?

[Little Slide Rooter]

I like DeRo, I just think we need to deal for Roberts and MacPhail will absolutely want DeRo in any package we give the O's.

 

Yes, our pitching and D were not very good. However, our offense has never allowed our pitching and D to relax in the last two postseasons.

 

We need to change the offense.

 

Why would Andy insist on a 34-year old player in the last year of his contract for his team that is several years away from contending?

 

I think the offense needs to be tweaked. They were #1 this year, but #8 the year before with a very similar cast. I have a feeling they will fall back toward the middle of the pack if they stay with what they got.

 

he might want him because

 

a. he is cheap for his production rate

b. there is a good chance he has another good year and nets him a couple of picks

 

MacPhail might want a package centered around Theriot/Cedeno, but not DeRosa.

 

this is true, and ultimately good for us considering the supersub ability of dero

 

but since we have fontenot, i wouldn't hesitate to throw dero in the package if he is a needed chip

 

I could see Baltimore wanting Fontenot back over DeRosa. DeRosa is in the last year of his contract, so whats the point in them moving one guy with 1 year left for another? Fonenot, on the other hand has a few years left under team control, and has proven that he can swing the bat.

[nilodnayr]

Bobby Abreu is older than dirt, and Milton Bradley can't play a full season in the field.

 

20 HR, 100 RBI for that "older then dirt" player. He's also two years younger then Manny. He's worth a two year deal.

 

EDIT: 371 OBP as well. The guy can still play and play at a high level.

 

Bobby Abreu: 296/371/471

 

AL league average RF: 281/351/459

 

True story

[Guest]

Bobby Abreu is older than dirt, and Milton Bradley can't play a full season in the field.

 

He can't even play a full season as a DH, which obviously isn't an option in the NL.

[17 Seconds]

Abreu sounds like a really bad idea.