College Football - Week of 10/11

[Derwood]

yes and no. yes it is, but the *correct* column does not.

 

the one that goes into the BCS had this:

 

1. bama

2. n'western

3. mizzou

4. vandy

5. utah

 

that's what happens when you only look at wins and losses....

 

interesting that you cling to a scoring system that, while probably statistically most complex, has little to no bearing on the actual rankings or BCS results.

 

interesting that I also cling to the scoring system that, while not politically correct, has the most predicative power. which is what rankings should be...you rank the best teams top to bottom.

 

i'm not saying they're not useful (or that the current rankings aren't completely horrible), but the system is what it is.

 

out of curiosity, how accurate have the Sagarin predictions been this year so far?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

If you had told me OSU was going to score 28 points, I would've been stoked.

 

The thing is I can't figure out what went wrong, aside from everything. Daniel was awful and so was the O-Line(some of that goes hand in hand). The run game got abandoned, people dropped passes, a couple interference calls weren't made, it was just an endless concatenation of terrible.

[TruffleShuffle]

the truffleshuffle top 25:

 

1. texas

2. alabama

3. penn st

4. oklahoma

5. texas tech

6. byu

7. oklahoma st

8. usc

9. utah

10. florida

11. mizzou

12. lsu

13. georgia

14. ohio st

15. boise st

16. kansas

17. michigan state

18. south florida

19. virginia tech

20. wake forest

21. tcu

22. ball st

23. cal

24. north carolina

25. georgia tech

[Transmogrified Tiger]

To answer Andy's question about Daniel's number, Aaron O'Neal was a redshirt Freshman at Mizzou who died before his redshirt freshman season. Since this would've been his senior year, one senior is wearing his number, 25, without a name each game this season. Tonight it was Daniel.

[TruffleShuffle]

To answer Andy's question about Daniel's number, Aaron O'Neal was a redshirt Freshman at Mizzou who died before his redshirt freshman season. Since this would've been his senior year, one senior is wearing his number, 25, without a name each game this season. Tonight it was Daniel.

 

thanks, i was curious about that. it's probably a good thing that daniel won't wear it again though, he was pretty lousy tonight, as was the entire offense.

[OleMissCub]

The SEC is ridiculous. The thought that anyone can beat anyone on Saturday is most relevant to the SEC this year. Miss St. beating Vandy? Arkansas over Auburn? Hell, Ole Miss beat Florida and now Florida goes and embarrasses LSU.

[Derwood]

The SEC is ridiculous. The thought that anyone can beat anyone on Saturday is most relevant to the SEC this year. Miss St. beating Vandy? Arkansas over Auburn? Hell, Ole Miss beat Florida and now Florida goes and embarrasses LSU.

 

when it happens in the SEC, it's because every team is so awesome

 

when it happens in the Big 10, it's because the conference is "down"

[Transmogrified Tiger]

To answer Andy's question about Daniel's number, Aaron O'Neal was a redshirt Freshman at Mizzou who died before his redshirt freshman season. Since this would've been his senior year, one senior is wearing his number, 25, without a name each game this season. Tonight it was Daniel.

 

thanks, i was curious about that. it's probably a good thing that daniel won't wear it again though, he was pretty lousy tonight, as was the entire offense.

 

Given how superstitious Daniel is(the ESPN Mag article on him talks about it), I was almost surprised he didn't come out for the second half wearing number 10.

[OleMissCub]

The SEC is ridiculous. The thought that anyone can beat anyone on Saturday is most relevant to the SEC this year. Miss St. beating Vandy? Arkansas over Auburn? Hell, Ole Miss beat Florida and now Florida goes and embarrasses LSU.

 

when it happens in the SEC, it's because every team is so awesome

 

when it happens in the Big 10, it's because the conference is "down"

 

Who says that? Arkansas, State, and Ole Miss suck donkey balls. I doubt anyone would say they are awesome. That's the whole point of saying the conference is ridiculous.

[Derwood]

The SEC is ridiculous. The thought that anyone can beat anyone on Saturday is most relevant to the SEC this year. Miss St. beating Vandy? Arkansas over Auburn? Hell, Ole Miss beat Florida and now Florida goes and embarrasses LSU.

 

when it happens in the SEC, it's because every team is so awesome

 

when it happens in the Big 10, it's because the conference is "down"

 

Who says that? Arkansas, State, and Ole Miss suck donkey balls. I doubt anyone would say they are awesome. That's the whole point of saying the conference is ridiculous.

 

who says that? most SEC fans. I should dig out that "SEC vs. OSU" thing I posted several weeks ago

[Mephistopheles]

out of curiosity, how accurate have the Sagarin predictions been this year so far?

 

i dont know for sure. im using them to generate the probabilities that im posting every week.

 

 

79.4% #21 Wake Forest over Clemson - Wake W, 12-7

54.3% #1 Oklahoma over #5 Texas - UT W, 45-35

76.0% #16 Kansas over Colorado - KU W, 30-14

96.6% #14 Utah over Wyoming - Utah W, 40-7

75.4% #13 Vanderbilt over Mississippi State - MSU W, 17-14

79.4% #7 Texas Tech over Nebraska -TTU W, 37-31 (OT)

98.4% #8 USC over Arizona State - USC W, 28-0

82.2% #10 Georgia over Tennessee - UGA W, 26-14

86.4% #12 Ohio State over Purdue - OSU W, 16-3

80.0% #22 North Carolina over Notre Dame - UNC W, 29-24

50.4% #23 Michigan State over Northwestern - MSU W, 37-20

92.7% #20 Auburn over Arkansas - Ark W, 25-22

92.6% #9 BYU over New Mexico - BYU W, 21-3

89.1% #25 Ball State over Western Kentucky - BSU W, 24-7

88.5% #11 Florida over #4 LSU - UF W, 51-21

71.4% #3 Missouri over #17 Oklahoma State - OSU W, 28-23

76.4% #6 Penn State over Wisconsin - PSU W, 48-7

80.8% #15 Boise State over Southern Miss - BSU W, 24-7

 

Upset Alert

Game of the Week

Weird I thought that UF probability was WAY too high...look what happened.

 

This Week

90+ 3-1

80-90 6-0

70-80 4-2

60-70 0-0

50-60 0-1

 

Overall

90+ 21-4 84%

80-90 14-1 93%

70-80 11-6 65%

60-70 4-4 50%

50-60 4-3 57%

[OleMissCub]

 

who says that? most SEC fans. I should dig out that "SEC vs. OSU" thing I posted several weeks ago

 

And I take it you were actually defending OSU in that thread???

[Derwood]

that OSU vs. SEC/USC thing.....

 

Rule 1: When USC dominates the Pac-10, it's because USC is awesome. When Ohio State dominates the Big Ten, it's because the Big Ten sucks.

 

Rule 2: Losing at home to a 41-point underdog is forgivable. Losing at home to a nine-win team is not.

 

Rule 3: Other programs merely lose games. Ohio State gets 'exposed.'

 

Rule 4: Come to think of it, Ohio State really didn't belong in the BCS Championship Game in 2006, even though they were the only undefeated team in major-college football and held the consensus number-one ranking going into the game.

 

Rule 5: The Big Ten-SEC debate can be decided solely on the basis of Ohio State's record against SEC opponents, and Ohio State's only. The fact that Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa and Minnesota all have multiple victories over SEC teams in bowl games this decade is utterly irrelevant.

 

Rule 6: Ohio State can only get to the BCS title game if it beats USC on the road. Of course, once the Buckeyes get to the BCS title game, they'll be 'stomped', 'pummeled' and 'embarrassed', even though they were good enough to beat USC on the road.

 

Rule 7: Ohio State's schedule is a joke, other than that road game at USC. Jackie Kennedy also enjoyed her trip to Dallas, other than that thing with her husband.

 

Rule 8: Ohio State is the 'Buffalo Bills of college football' since 2002 never happened; that entire season was actually put together in a TV studio, like the moon landing.

 

Rule 9: Since the nation is tired of seeing Ohio State get killed in the BCS title game, a one-loss Buckeye team should be passed over in favor of, among others, Oklahoma, which has lost four straight BCS games by an average margin of sixteen points.

 

Rule 10: Ohio State is slow, over-rated, under-scheduled, and generally sorry, yet the SEC's domination of the Buckeyes tremendously enhances that conference's prestige.

 

Rule 11: There is no difference between the 2006 and 2007 BCS title-game losses. None. They're the exact same game.

 

Rule 12: LSU earned that magical five-spot bump in the BCS ranking prior to the 2007 title game. Only Ohio State backed in.

 

Rule 13: Curb-stomping a one-dimensional WAC team playing 4,000 miles from home makes Georgia the most bad-assed juggernaut on the planet. Losing to a senior-laden SEC powerhouse in for all intents and purposes its own building makes Ohio State an absolute fraud.

 

Rule 14: Ohio State loses the BCS title game every year, 'every year' being the last two whole entire years.

 

Rule 15: If Vanderbilt were in the Big Ten, the Commodores would be firmly ensconced in the upper echelon of the conference right out of the chute. We're talking Alamo Bowl year-in, year-out, at a minimum.

 

Rule 16: If Ohio State were in the SEC, the Buckeyes would be Vanderbilt. To be fair, so would Oklahoma, USC, and the 1999 Rams.

 

Rule 17: Fans of every SEC school have a perfect right to latch on to the feats of Florida and LSU and treat them as their own. That includes talking message-board smack to Buckeye fans, even if their own school hasn't been to the Sugar Bowl since Admiral Farragut ran the forts below New Orleans.

 

Rule 18: If Kirk Herbstreit keeps up his compensatory genuflecting toward the Southeastern Conference for long enough, maybe the honks below the Mason-Dixon Line will forget that he played quarterback for Ohio State (after a fashion) and wanted a Buckeye-Wolverine re-match in '06.

 

Rule 19: Rich Rodriguez will bring speed and offensive innovation to the benighted Big Ten, which apparently was still wearing leather helmets, running the Single-Wing, employing tackles as straight-ahead kickers, and using an inflated pig's bladder for a football in the medieval days B.D. (Before Dick-Rod).

 

Rule 20: Ohio State has to run the table and beat an SEC opponent in the title game- not just any opponent, but an SEC opponent- or its National Championship doesn't actually count. The title is automatically ruled vacant and decided, by a vote of all 119 1-A schools, between the champion of the SEC, God's Gift to Conferences, and USC, which, of course, will be 'playing its best football at the end of the season.' Ohio State gets a vote, just in case you think this method is unfair.

[Derwood]

 

who says that? most SEC fans. I should dig out that "SEC vs. OSU" thing I posted several weeks ago

 

And I take it you were actually defending OSU in that thread???

 

begrudgingly

[Flames24Rulz]

the truffleshuffle top 25:

 

1. texas

2. alabama

3. penn st

4. oklahoma

5. texas tech

6. byu

7. oklahoma st

8. usc

9. utah

10. florida

11. mizzou

12. lsu

13. georgia

14. ohio st

15. boise st

16. kansas

17. michigan state

18. south florida

19. virginia tech

20. wake forest

21. tcu

22. ball st

23. cal

24. north carolina

25. georgia tech

 

Flames24Rulz would like to post my name alongside yours on that poll. Good work, I agree with basically all of that.

[Derwood]

BYU and Utah are NOT better teams than Florida, Mizzou, Georgia and LSU, regardless of W-L records

[Mephistopheles]

the truffleshuffle top 25:

 

1. texas

2. alabama

3. penn st

4. oklahoma

5. texas tech

6. byu

7. oklahoma st

8. usc

9. utah

10. florida

11. mizzou

12. lsu

13. georgia

14. ohio st

15. boise st

16. kansas

17. michigan state

18. south florida

19. virginia tech

20. wake forest

21. tcu

22. ball st

23. cal

24. north carolina

25. georgia tech

 

Flames24Rulz would like to post my name alongside yours on that poll. Good work, I agree with basically all of that.

 

god thats terrible

[Flames24Rulz]

the truffleshuffle top 25:

 

1. texas

2. alabama

3. penn st

4. oklahoma

5. texas tech

6. byu

7. oklahoma st

8. usc

9. utah

10. florida

11. mizzou

12. lsu

13. georgia

14. ohio st

15. boise st

16. kansas

17. michigan state

18. south florida

19. virginia tech

20. wake forest

21. tcu

22. ball st

23. cal

24. north carolina

25. georgia tech

 

Flames24Rulz would like to post my name alongside yours on that poll. Good work, I agree with basically all of that.

 

god thats terrible

 

I love posts that criticize other posts but they don't actually say why it's terrible.

 

Care to explain? Your boys are ranked #1, you should be happy.

[Mephistopheles]

florida crushes number four by 30 and moves up a whole spot. okie state barely beats number 3 and moves up 10 spots

[TruffleShuffle]

yeah i would argue vehemently that the big xii is the toughest conference this year. look at the gauntlet texas has to run - neutral field with oklahoma, home against mizzou, home against okie st, at texas tech, at kansas. texas tech has a four-game string of @kansas, vs texas, vs oklahoma st, @oklahoma. okie st has road games with texas, mizzou and texas tech as well as a home game versus oklahoma. if any team comes out of the big xii undefeated i'll be very impressed and, frankly, surprised.

[Vanilla Ice]

This is your top ten going into the week based on the computers for the BCS

 

  1  Alabama                  2    1    1    1         1    1.00    1.00
 2  Missouri                 3    3    6    2         3    3.00    0.92
 3  Vanderbilt               1    4   23    3         2    3.00    0.92
 4  Utah                     4    5    9    6         5    5.33    0.83
 5  Oklahoma                 5    6    2    7         6    5.67    0.81
 6  Texas                    8   10    5    4         4    5.67    0.81
 7  Northwestern             6    2   52    8         8    7.33    0.75
 8  Penn State               7    8   11    9         7    8.00    0.72
 9  Boise St                12   14   12    5        11   11.67    0.57
 10  Virginia Tech           9   11   14   18        10   11.67    0.57

 

Florida was one spot ahead of Duke.

in the actual BCS computers?

 

that would be sick

[Flames24Rulz]

BYU and Utah are NOT better teams than Florida, Mizzou, Georgia and LSU, regardless of W-L records

 

BYU and Utah haven't lost a game. Those others have. That's what polls go by, not who's better than who.

[Mephistopheles]

ok if thats the (dumb) logic to be used, then ou shouldnt be top five...

[Derwood]

BYU and Utah are NOT better teams than Florida, Mizzou, Georgia and LSU, regardless of W-L records

 

BYU and Utah haven't lost a game. Those others have. That's what polls go by, not who's better than who.

 

which is why the BCS was invented, because the polls are horrible and wrong

 

why not throw Ball St. in the top 10 too while we're at it?

Edited October 12, 2008 by Derwood

[Flames24Rulz]

florida crushes number four by 30 and moves up a whole spot. okie state barely beats number 3 and moves up 10 spots

 

Who has Okie State lost to this year? They went on the road in a very hostile environment at night and beat Missouri. Florida had a very impressive win, no doubt. Take care of business against Ole Miss and you won't have to worry about rankings.