Re: Burying the Brewers

[RegulusBlue]

With the Brewers operating at a loss this season monetarily, we have an interesting opportunity to bury this franchise for years to come if we can dominate them in the next season.

 

My understanding is that the Brewers are about 10m in the hole without playoff revenue. In Sabathia, Sheets, and Gagne, they have about 25 mil coming off the books. However, 10m to pay off this years shortfall plus another 10m off to return to a financially feasible payroll gives you a Brewers roster with ~5m to play with and Yovanni Gallardo instead of Sheets and Sabathia. This ignores the talk about picking up Cameron's option, as well.

 

If we can hammer the Brew Crew from the playoffs this season, we may completely remove them from competitive consideration for several years to come. Its worth it to play 110% against them, isn't it?

 

We will have an easier time making the postseason in the future if we can fight only the cards instead of both teams each year. Would you start all your horses to try and kill them off?

[Cynosure]

With the Brewers operating at a loss this season monetarily, we have an interesting opportunity to bury this franchise for years to come if we can dominate them in the next season.

 

My understanding is that the Brewers are about 10m in the hole without playoff revenue. In Sabathia, Sheets, and Gagne, they have about 25 mil coming off the books. However, 10m to pay off this years shortfall plus another 10m off to return to a financially feasible payroll gives you a Brewers roster with ~5m to play with and Yovanni Gallardo instead of Sheets and Sabathia. This ignores the talk about picking up Cameron's option, as well.

 

If we can hammer the Brew Crew from the playoffs this season, we may completely remove them from competitive consideration for several years to come. Its worth it to play 110% against them, isn't it?

 

We will have an easier time making the postseason in the future if we can fight only the cards instead of both teams each year. Would you start all your horses to try and kill them off?

 

While I agree with this... the Reds are going to be very very scary around 2010/2011.

[rocket]

the brewers aren't making the playoffs even if they sweep us.

[Cynosure]

the brewers aren't making the playoffs even if they sweep us.

 

They're only 1 down in the WC and are playing the Pirates at home.

[C.C.]

the brewers aren't making the playoffs even if they sweep us.

 

 

Why do you say that?

[rocket]

the brewers aren't making the playoffs even if they sweep us.

 

They're only 1 down in the WC and are playing the Pirates at home.

 

i know.

[SouthSideRyan]

With the Brewers operating at a loss this season monetarily, we have an interesting opportunity to bury this franchise for years to come if we can dominate them in the next season.

 

My understanding is that the Brewers are about 10m in the hole without playoff revenue. In Sabathia, Sheets, and Gagne, they have about 25 mil coming off the books. However, 10m to pay off this years shortfall plus another 10m off to return to a financially feasible payroll gives you a Brewers roster with ~5m to play with and Yovanni Gallardo instead of Sheets and Sabathia. This ignores the talk about picking up Cameron's option, as well.

 

If we can hammer the Brew Crew from the playoffs this season, we may completely remove them from competitive consideration for several years to come. Its worth it to play 110% against them, isn't it?

 

We will have an easier time making the postseason in the future if we can fight only the cards instead of both teams each year. Would you start all your horses to try and kill them off?

 

While I agree with this... the Reds are going to be very very scary around 2010/2011.

 

:banghead:

[treebird]

With the Brewers operating at a loss this season monetarily, we have an interesting opportunity to bury this franchise for years to come if we can dominate them in the next season.

 

My understanding is that the Brewers are about 10m in the hole without playoff revenue. In Sabathia, Sheets, and Gagne, they have about 25 mil coming off the books. However, 10m to pay off this years shortfall plus another 10m off to return to a financially feasible payroll gives you a Brewers roster with ~5m to play with and Yovanni Gallardo instead of Sheets and Sabathia. This ignores the talk about picking up Cameron's option, as well.

 

If we can hammer the Brew Crew from the playoffs this season, we may completely remove them from competitive consideration for several years to come. Its worth it to play 110% against them, isn't it?

 

We will have an easier time making the postseason in the future if we can fight only the cards instead of both teams each year. Would you start all your horses to try and kill them off?

 

While I agree with this... the Reds are going to be very very scary around 2010/2011.

 

i wonder how ssr feels about this

 

EDIT: hahahaahha, he beat me

[Cynosure]

With the Brewers operating at a loss this season monetarily, we have an interesting opportunity to bury this franchise for years to come if we can dominate them in the next season.

 

My understanding is that the Brewers are about 10m in the hole without playoff revenue. In Sabathia, Sheets, and Gagne, they have about 25 mil coming off the books. However, 10m to pay off this years shortfall plus another 10m off to return to a financially feasible payroll gives you a Brewers roster with ~5m to play with and Yovanni Gallardo instead of Sheets and Sabathia. This ignores the talk about picking up Cameron's option, as well.

 

If we can hammer the Brew Crew from the playoffs this season, we may completely remove them from competitive consideration for several years to come. Its worth it to play 110% against them, isn't it?

 

We will have an easier time making the postseason in the future if we can fight only the cards instead of both teams each year. Would you start all your horses to try and kill them off?

 

While I agree with this... the Reds are going to be very very scary around 2010/2011.

 

:banghead:

 

Yea, I know it's said every year... but seriously look at their team.

 

Bruce/Volquez/Votto/Phillips

 

All great talent to build a team around... if they get a decent GM they will do this. Hope they move Harang in the offseason, I'm surprised they didn't trade him at the deadline regardless of his bad numbers on his horrible team.

[UMFan83]

With the Brewers operating at a loss this season monetarily, we have an interesting opportunity to bury this franchise for years to come if we can dominate them in the next season.

 

My understanding is that the Brewers are about 10m in the hole without playoff revenue. In Sabathia, Sheets, and Gagne, they have about 25 mil coming off the books. However, 10m to pay off this years shortfall plus another 10m off to return to a financially feasible payroll gives you a Brewers roster with ~5m to play with and Yovanni Gallardo instead of Sheets and Sabathia. This ignores the talk about picking up Cameron's option, as well.

 

If we can hammer the Brew Crew from the playoffs this season, we may completely remove them from competitive consideration for several years to come. Its worth it to play 110% against them, isn't it?

 

We will have an easier time making the postseason in the future if we can fight only the cards instead of both teams each year. Would you start all your horses to try and kill them off?

 

While I agree with this... the Reds are going to be very very scary around 2010/2011.

 

:banghead:

 

Yea, I know it's said every year... but seriously look at their team.

 

Bruce/Volquez/Votto/Phillips

 

All great talent to build a team around... if they get a decent GM they will do this. Hope they move Harang in the offseason, I'm surprised they didn't trade him at the deadline regardless of his bad numbers on his horrible team.

 

But seriously, look at their team, Ryan Freel, Austin Kearns, Adam Dunn, Wily Mo Pena, Aaron Harang, Ryan Wagner

[SouthSideRyan]

Brandon Phillips isn't even that good.

[evv98]

Don't count your chickens.....

 

The Brewers still have a lot of talent even if/when they lose Sheets and Sabathia. All they need is to have one or two of their young arms to "get it" and they will be a force again. I don't see them just going away.

 

Cincinnati has scary good young talent. Just look what they did to the Cubs and Brewers a couple of weeks ago. If they get a couple of pitchers that learn to pitch in that bandbox they could make a move to the top of the division.

 

Despite the fact that everyone discounted what the Astros did this year, I have been impressed. I have heard that they may be active in the free agent market this winter to improve a core of talent that is entering its prime. They could be a huge factor in the next couple of years.

 

Pittsburgh has accumulated a lot of young talent this year, talent that may actually end up being worth something eventually. It would not surprise me if the Pirates made a move in a year or two. Like many other teams, it will depend on how their young pitching continues to develop.

 

The Cardinals are the trash heap of the National League, but it seems to keep them competitive. They should fall off the cliff, but they won't.

[Mugged By Fluffy]

I'd rather live in the now and hope the Brewers make it to the playoffs. Of all the NL contenders, they are going to be the easiest for the Cubs to beat in the playoffs.

[BigbadB]

I'm not worried about Cincinnati. They get rid of their players when they start getting expensive. They will basically have a 1 year window to be good, most likely under a new manager. That manager will basically have to create a miracle like Maddon has done with Tampa.

 

The other part of all that young talent in Cincy is that they probably won't have the money to pick up the necessary parts to make them an all around good team.

[KingCubsFan]

With the Brewers operating at a loss this season monetarily, we have an interesting opportunity to bury this franchise for years to come if we can dominate them in the next season.

 

My understanding is that the Brewers are about 10m in the hole without playoff revenue. In Sabathia, Sheets, and Gagne, they have about 25 mil coming off the books. However, 10m to pay off this years shortfall plus another 10m off to return to a financially feasible payroll gives you a Brewers roster with ~5m to play with and Yovanni Gallardo instead of Sheets and Sabathia. This ignores the talk about picking up Cameron's option, as well.

 

If we can hammer the Brew Crew from the playoffs this season, we may completely remove them from competitive consideration for several years to come. Its worth it to play 110% against them, isn't it?

 

We will have an easier time making the postseason in the future if we can fight only the cards instead of both teams each year. Would you start all your horses to try and kill them off?

 

While I agree with this... the Reds are going to be very very scary around 2010/2011.

I'm sure Cardinals fans said back in 2002/2003 that the Cubs would be scary for years to come too. Dusty's influence has no boundaries. Volquez, Cueto and Bailey will not be around by then (either injured or ineffective), Cordero will suck, Dunn is already gone, and Votto looks like an above-average first baseman (nothing special). So that leaves Bruce, Phillips and Walt Jocketty, who has the anti-LaRussa in his dugout and is missing the best hitter in the league.

[bukie]

The Brewers will have Gallardo and Parra as frontline starters next year, which should be sufficient. They won't have a deep rotation, and are probably going to try to get as much as they can for Fielder this offseason. Their ownership is spending a decent amount in payroll (I think around 90 mil for this year, correct me if I'm wrong) to field a good team, and they'll probably still try to see what they can do to bring in a FA starter to offset the loss of CC and Sheets.

 

The Cardinals will always be somewhat competitive because of Pujols. Similar to how the Giants managed to stay competitive with Bonds even though Baker managed that team for 10 years. LaRussa may be a meddler, but he's probably one of the best managers in the game overall, and Duncan can always get something out of nothing with the staff. Maybe not a dominant team, but certainly an 85-90 win team year-in-year-out as long as things fall right.

 

Houston is a mirage. Their month-long hot streak has only masked this fact, and their owner was foolish in being a buyer at the deadline. They've struggled this week because they're simply not playing way above their heads anymore, not because of their stupid owner not planning ahead for the hurricane.

 

Pittsburgh is finally looking like they have a 5-year plan, as they begin to restock a barren farm system to supplement a barren major league team with talent, like any team that operates as a small market team has to do to compete. If they keep drafting well and trading for good parts, they'll be competitive 3-4 years down the line.

 

The Reds are the same as they've ever been the past 10 years. Promising young hitting talent (Votto, Bruce today, Dunn, Kearns, Encarnacion, Lopez in years past) with a potential arm or two (Cueto, Volquez today, Harang, Wagner in years past) ready to take this team to the next level. They foolishly spent their FA money to shore up the pen this past offseason, neglecting a rotation and lineup that both fell under league averages. Combine that with Dusty's penchant for destroying young arms, and I have a tough time seeing them being competitive unless Votto and Bruce turn into Bonds and Pujols.

[JGalt73]

Maybe this is the pessimist in me, but I have this horrible vision of the Brewers: coming back from the brink, getting the wildcard, catching fire, and winning this whole thing behind Sabathia. It's something about the theatrics of the story that makes it 'feel' probable. Oh, and the horrible collapse this means for the Cubs fits with my usual "kicked in the crotch" feeling in the early Octobers of my life.

[RegulusBlue]

Maybe this is the pessimist in me, but I have this horrible vision of the Brewers: coming back from the brink, getting the wildcard, catching fire, and winning this whole thing behind Sabathia. It's something about the theatrics of the story that makes it 'feel' probable. Oh, and the horrible collapse this means for the Cubs fits with my usual "kicked in the crotch" feeling in the early Octobers of my life.

 

This year is different. We are not the flawed teams of yore. That's not to say we aren't vulernable, and we certainly could lose in the first round if everything goes wrong, but this team inspires more confidence than any we've had, IMO. I don't think we'll be kicked in the crotch this year, especially because we have this team all over again next year.

[chuckywang]

With the Brewers operating at a loss this season monetarily, we have an interesting opportunity to bury this franchise for years to come if we can dominate them in the next season.

 

My understanding is that the Brewers are about 10m in the hole without playoff revenue. In Sabathia, Sheets, and Gagne, they have about 25 mil coming off the books. However, 10m to pay off this years shortfall plus another 10m off to return to a financially feasible payroll gives you a Brewers roster with ~5m to play with and Yovanni Gallardo instead of Sheets and Sabathia. This ignores the talk about picking up Cameron's option, as well.

 

If we can hammer the Brew Crew from the playoffs this season, we may completely remove them from competitive consideration for several years to come. Its worth it to play 110% against them, isn't it?

 

We will have an easier time making the postseason in the future if we can fight only the cards instead of both teams each year. Would you start all your horses to try and kill them off?

 

There's a difference between a big market team outspending everybody just because they can and a small market team spending to remain competitive. IMO, the Brewers set a very good example this season with how a small market team can compete. It would be a shame if they finished in the red since they proven to their fanbase that they are willing to spend to win.

[inari]

I'd rather live in the now and hope the Brewers make it to the playoffs. Of all the NL contenders, they are going to be the easiest for the Cubs to beat in the playoffs.

 

If by easiest you mean the hardest, by far, then I am totally on board.

[David]

I'd rather live in the now and hope the Brewers make it to the playoffs. Of all the NL contenders, they are going to be the easiest for the Cubs to beat in the playoffs.

 

If by easiest you mean the hardest, by far, then I am totally on board.

 

wat?

[David]

i still don't understand all the brewer respect... especially sheets-less brewers

 

 

they're a pretty mediocre offensive team with (previously) two great pitchers.. now probably just one.

[adamb10]

I'd rather live in the now and hope the Brewers make it to the playoffs. Of all the NL contenders, they are going to be the easiest for the Cubs to beat in the playoffs.

 

If by easiest you mean the hardest, by far, then I am totally on board.

 

I would have agreed with this statement a few weeks ago but with Sheets gone for the season most likely and our rotation in limbo I disagree. Should the Brewers make the playoffs and advance to the NLCS(which lets be honest wont happen) the Cubs would probobly sweep the Brewers in 4.

[David]

that sig isn't going to help you last long around here

[C.C.]

Seriously, ditch the sig.