9/3 Astros (Wolf) @ COBS (Dempster) 7:05 CSN Chicago

[C.C.]

I wonder why it is that the Cubs can't sellout every ticket every day. It's not because of lack of interest thats for sure.

 

Is it because:

-People assume that the game is sold out and don't try?

-The Cubs ticket release policies (day of game ticket sales, etc)

-Something else

 

It's weird when the team is having the best season of a lifetime and we got less than 40k last night. I know its not because we're bad fans.

 

 

I was wondering about that also. Very odd? I think people assume it's sold out.

[David]

I wonder why it is that the Cubs can't sellout every ticket every day. It's not because of lack of interest thats for sure.

 

Is it because:

-People assume that the game is sold out and don't try?

-The Cubs ticket release policies (day of game ticket sales, etc)

-Something else

 

It's weird when the team is having the best season of a lifetime and we got less than 40k last night. I know its not because we're bad fans.

 

It's because of that stuff you posted.

[jersey cubs fan]

You can't complain because hits don't happen to come in clutch situations, especially not when you score 7 runs in the game. Well, scratch that, you can, but that complaint would be dumb.

 

7 runs a game is great, but 7 runs in 11 innings is less impressive. It's only slightly above the rate of run scoring/game the Cubs have had all year, which is still pretty damn good - or excellent. The Cubs had an OPS around 1200 last night, so I don't think they did a bad job. But it would be nice if Lee would hit the ball in the air a little more often.

[jersey cubs fan]

I wonder why it is that the Cubs can't sellout every ticket every day. It's not because of lack of interest thats for sure.

 

Is it because:

-People assume that the game is sold out and don't try?

-The Cubs ticket release policies (day of game ticket sales, etc)

-Something else

 

It's weird when the team is having the best season of a lifetime and we got less than 40k last night. I know its not because we're bad fans.

 

It's because of that stuff you posted.

 

Plus, the bad seats at Wrigley are really bad.

[apete6]

I wonder why it is that the Cubs can't sellout every ticket every day. It's not because of lack of interest thats for sure.

 

Is it because:

-People assume that the game is sold out and don't try?

-The Cubs ticket release policies (day of game ticket sales, etc)

-Something else

 

It's weird when the team is having the best season of a lifetime and we got less than 40k last night. I know its not because we're bad fans.

 

It's because of that stuff you posted.

 

Plus, the bad seats at Wrigley are really bad.

 

Standing room only as well. They are only sold day of game and night games and weekday afternoon games not in the summer are usually not sold out.

 

By the way, does all of MLB still go by tickets sold? I remember at one point, they actually did turnstile attendance. How do they do it now?

[UMFan83]

I wonder why it is that the Cubs can't sellout every ticket every day. It's not because of lack of interest thats for sure.

 

Is it because:

-People assume that the game is sold out and don't try?

-The Cubs ticket release policies (day of game ticket sales, etc)

-Something else

 

It's weird when the team is having the best season of a lifetime and we got less than 40k last night. I know its not because we're bad fans.

 

It's because of that stuff you posted.

 

Plus, the bad seats at Wrigley are really bad.

 

Standing room only as well. They are only sold day of game and night games and weekday afternoon games not in the summer are usually not sold out.

 

By the way, does all of MLB still go by tickets sold? I remember at one point, they actually did turnstile attendance. How do they do it now?

 

The NL used to do turnstile attendance but since the league offices merged in the 90's MLB required all teams to go by tickets sold.

[kujay]

I didn't realize these games weren't officially sold out.

[Fred Hornkohl]

I didn't realize these games weren't officially sold out.

 

The radio announcers have an annoying habit of calling any crowd that exceeds 40,000 a sellout, when the actual seating capacity is currently at 41,160.

[Ski]

Surprise, surprise...Cubs still have a 99.5% chance of making the playoffs.

 

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/ps_odds.php

 

From now on I'm on "panic patrol" until people calm down.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Win, buttholes.

 

Petition to change "Cubs" to "Losers" in the thread title.

 

I have faith in Demp tonight. In our clutch hitting? Not so much.

 

Our offense was fine yesterday.

 

Depends on what you mean by fine. home runs, check. base hits, check. Clutch hitting with RISP, not so much.

 

Don't give me that clutch hitting crap. We scored 7 runs. We didn't lose because of the offense.

 

No, we lost because of a combination of offense, defense, and pitching.

 

You're right... we should fault the offense for not cashing in every single runner that got on base.

 

Sorry, but the offense did more than enough. Expectations are ridiculous if you want to start nitpicking about the fact that they didn't happen to get hits in some situations late in the game, especially when the Astros should've had no business being tied in that game.

 

You can't complain because hits don't happen to come in clutch situations, especially not when you score 7 runs in the game. Well, scratch that, you can, but that complaint would be dumb.

 

Complain all you want if they go up there with a bad approach and give the other team easy outs all game. Hell, complain if they go out there with a good approach but don't manage to score much (I'm not inclined to do that, because that's basically blaming them for bad luck, but to each his own)... but when you both have a good approach and score 7 runs in a game, the offense is the last place you should be looking to lay any blame.

 

Seriously, how many stranded base runners have we left since this disasterous streak? You cant tell me theres no such thing as clutch hitting. Solo home runs galore are only going to take you so far. What happened to that Cubby carousel we were seeing? Its been a while.

[David]

*sigh*

 

If people haven't learned anything about what makes a good offense and what doesn't this year, they never will.

[UMFan83]

The offense did enough, but it doesn't mean you can pick on them for grounding into 4 double plays, 2 with the bases loaded. Most days, we would hardly notice because we'd have won the game, but some days the pitching isn't going to be there.

[Derwood]

the Cubs had 15 hits and 8 walks. They scored 7 runs. Normally, that would be enough to win just about any ball game. Last night's loss was not on the offense

[David]

The offense did enough, but it doesn't mean you can pick on them for grounding into 4 double plays, 2 with the bases loaded. Most days, we would hardly notice because we'd have won the game, but some days the pitching isn't going to be there.

 

What happens in those situations is basically a matter of luck or happenstance. The idea is to get a lot of base runners on so that some of those times when we happen to get hits, there are runners on. We're inevitably going to fail more often than not in those situations. That's a fact. For people to be complaining about not getting hits in certain cherry picked situations is missing the point, entirely.

[Fred Hornkohl]

the Cubs had 15 hits and 8 walks. They scored 7 runs. Normally, that would be enough to win just about any ball game. Last night's loss was not on the offense

 

CUBS are 48-3 when they score 7 runs or more. Games like last night just don't happen that often.

[David]

the Cubs had 15 hits and 8 walks. They scored 7 runs. Normally, that would be enough to win just about any ball game. Last night's loss was not on the offense

 

CUBS are 48-3 when they score 7 runs or more. Games like last night just don't happen that often.

 

And, quite frankly, that record would very likely be 49-2 if Lou hadn't brought our worst and least reliable reliever, by far, into a close (tied?) game.

[Fred Hornkohl]

The offense did enough, but it doesn't mean you can pick on them for grounding into 4 double plays, 2 with the bases loaded. Most days, we would hardly notice because we'd have won the game, but some days the pitching isn't going to be there.

 

What happens in those situations is basically a matter of luck or happenstance. The idea is to get a lot of base runners on so that some of those times when we happen to get hits, there are runners on. We're inevitably going to fail more often than not in those situations. That's a fact. For people to be complaining about not getting hits in certain cherry picked situations is missing the point, entirely.

 

Hey... the CUBS are really clutch with the bases loaded !!!

 

CUBS               AB    R    H   2b   3b   HR  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP  P/PA   IsoD   RBI%
bases loaded      136   26   44   15    0    6  145   19   29  0.324  0.370  0.566  0.936  0.376  3.76  0.046  0.345
All ABs          4816  750 1353  286   19  161  711  558 1007  0.281  0.358  0.449  0.807  0.327  3.88  0.077  0.198

[Ski]

the Cubs had 15 hits and 8 walks. They scored 7 runs. Normally, that would be enough to win just about any ball game. Last night's loss was not on the offense

 

CUBS are 48-3 when they score 7 runs or more. Games like last night just don't happen that often.

Exactly. It was one of those games. IT HAPPENS. It certainly wasn't bothering me during school today.

[Fred Hornkohl]

the Cubs had 15 hits and 8 walks. They scored 7 runs. Normally, that would be enough to win just about any ball game. Last night's loss was not on the offense

 

CUBS are 48-3 when they score 7 runs or more. Games like last night just don't happen that often.

 

And, quite frankly, that record would very likely be 49-2 if Lou hadn't brought our worst and least reliable reliever, by far, into a close (tied?) game.

 

IF ???? You've got to be kidding !!! Don't give me IF !!! IF frogs had wings, they wouldn't bump their little butts on the ground !!!!

[third eye]

the Cubs had 15 hits and 8 walks. They scored 7 runs. Normally, that would be enough to win just about any ball game. Last night's loss was not on the offense

 

CUBS are 48-3 when they score 7 runs or more. Games like last night just don't happen that often.

Exactly. It was one of those games. IT HAPPENS. It certainly wasn't bothering me during school today.

 

 

On that front, did Lou say anything in the post game about maybe scaling back on the Howry in high leverage situations approach? Haven't read anything about it.

[David]

The offense did enough, but it doesn't mean you can pick on them for grounding into 4 double plays, 2 with the bases loaded. Most days, we would hardly notice because we'd have won the game, but some days the pitching isn't going to be there.

 

What happens in those situations is basically a matter of luck or happenstance. The idea is to get a lot of base runners on so that some of those times when we happen to get hits, there are runners on. We're inevitably going to fail more often than not in those situations. That's a fact. For people to be complaining about not getting hits in certain cherry picked situations is missing the point, entirely.

 

Hey... the CUBS are really clutch with the bases loaded !!!

 

CUBS               AB    R    H   2b   3b   HR  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP  P/PA   IsoD   RBI%
bases loaded      136   26   44   15    0    6  145   19   29  0.324  0.370  0.566  0.936  0.376  3.76  0.046  0.345
All ABs          4816  750 1353  286   19  161  711  558 1007  0.281  0.358  0.449  0.807  0.327  3.88  0.077  0.198

 

I'm not trying to argue with you, as I know you're posting this tongue in cheek - just a disclaimer.

 

...but even if those numbers held true over a somewhat significant amount of time, right there is an example of a situation where someone would say, "Look at how good they are in the clutch," or whatever, while totally overlooking the fact that for the bases to be loaded in that situation, a number of factors that would be conducive to good offensive production would probably already be in play, i.e. an already struggling pitcher, less freedom to pitch outside the zone, margin for error, etc.

[Little Slide Rooter]

The offense did enough, but it doesn't mean you can pick on them for grounding into 4 double plays, 2 with the bases loaded. Most days, we would hardly notice because we'd have won the game, but some days the pitching isn't going to be there.

 

What happens in those situations is basically a matter of luck or happenstance. The idea is to get a lot of base runners on so that some of those times when we happen to get hits, there are runners on. We're inevitably going to fail more often than not in those situations. That's a fact. For people to be complaining about not getting hits in certain cherry picked situations is missing the point, entirely.

 

Hey... the CUBS are really clutch with the bases loaded !!!

 

CUBS               AB    R    H   2b   3b   HR  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP  P/PA   IsoD   RBI%
bases loaded      136   26   44   15    0    6  145   19   29  0.324  0.370  0.566  0.936  0.376  3.76  0.046  0.345
All ABs          4816  750 1353  286   19  161  711  558 1007  0.281  0.358  0.449  0.807  0.327  3.88  0.077  0.198

 

I'm not trying to argue with you, as I know you're posting this tongue in cheek - just a disclaimer.

 

...but even if those numbers held true over a somewhat significant amount of time, right there is an example of a situation where someone would say, "Look at how good they are in the clutch," or whatever, while totally overlooking the fact that for the bases to be loaded in that situation, a number of factors that would be conducive to good offensive production would probably already be in play, i.e. an already struggling pitcher, less freedom to pitch outside the zone, margin for error, etc.

Culprit #1 was Bob Howry

Culprit #2 was Lou for leaving in Howry as long as he did.

 

theres no quetioning that.

 

However, cant you just admit that maybe, the offense could have come through with a key base hit or 2 when we were piling up base runners?

[David]

...and they also couldn't have... like they didn't... because, you know.. that happens a really good percentage of the time, too.

[Fred Hornkohl]

 

However, cant you just admit that maybe, the offense could have come through with a key base hit or 2 when we were piling up base runners?

 

CUBS               AB    R    H   2b   3b   HR  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP  P/PA   IsoD   RBI%
09/02              44    7   15    3    0    4    7    8    7  0.341  0.442  0.682  1.124  0.333  3.94  0.101  0.094
sesason totals   4816  750 1353  286   19  161  711  558 1007  0.281  0.358  0.449  0.807  0.327  3.88  0.077  0.198

 

Yeah, last night we scored .304 runs per baserunner compared to our season rate of .383. We put a ton of runners on base, we just didn't score very many of them. But, we all knew that, no?

[Guest]

The offense did enough, but it doesn't mean you can pick on them for grounding into 4 double plays, 2 with the bases loaded. Most days, we would hardly notice because we'd have won the game, but some days the pitching isn't going to be there.

 

What happens in those situations is basically a matter of luck or happenstance. The idea is to get a lot of base runners on so that some of those times when we happen to get hits, there are runners on. We're inevitably going to fail more often than not in those situations. That's a fact. For people to be complaining about not getting hits in certain cherry picked situations is missing the point, entirely.

 

Hey... the CUBS are really clutch with the bases loaded !!!

 

CUBS               AB    R    H   2b   3b   HR  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP  P/PA   IsoD   RBI%
bases loaded      136   26   44   15    0    6  145   19   29  0.324  0.370  0.566  0.936  0.376  3.76  0.046  0.345
All ABs          4816  750 1353  286   19  161  711  558 1007  0.281  0.358  0.449  0.807  0.327  3.88  0.077  0.198

 

I'm not trying to argue with you, as I know you're posting this tongue in cheek - just a disclaimer.

 

...but even if those numbers held true over a somewhat significant amount of time, right there is an example of a situation where someone would say, "Look at how good they are in the clutch," or whatever, while totally overlooking the fact that for the bases to be loaded in that situation, a number of factors that would be conducive to good offensive production would probably already be in play, i.e. an already struggling pitcher, less freedom to pitch outside the zone, margin for error, etc.

Culprit #1 was Bob Howry

Culprit #2 was Lou for bringing Bob Howry into the game in the first place.

 

theres no quetioning that.

 

However, cant you just admit that maybe, the offense could have come through with a key base hit or 2 when we were piling up base runners?

 

Fixed.