Silly Brewers fans.

[ChiCubsfan0502]

http://brewersfandemonium.yuku.com/topic/15037/t/8-23-08-Non-Brewers-IGT.html

 

"EXACTLY!! They have several guys that are having career years or better seasons than any they have had recently and they still only have a 4 1/2 game lead on the Crew. That should tell any baseball fan what they need to know about the two teams. It's taking several career years from Cubs players to ONLY have a 4 1/2 game lead on the more talented Brewers who by the way, have several players that are having worse seasons than they had last year.

 

Don't forget Mark DeRosa's career high in HR's or Jim Edmonds's Babe Ruthian impression this year".

 

 

Did this goof just decide to not mention the fact that Lee and Ramirez, especially Lee, have performed a bit below career levels thus far? He also forgets to mention Soriano has missed nearly two months of the season and we are STILL 4.5 ahead DESPITE that.

 

I also must have missed the series when we played a real team on the road in Milwaukee. Can anyone tell me what happened in that series? I'm sure it was close. 8-)

 

Gotta love these guys. :rotfl:

[Keener98]

Brewer fans on a Brewer board being homers towards their own team? Blasphemy, seriously why are you surprised? We have the same dumbass posts here

[ChiCubsfan0502]

Brewer fans on a Brewer board being homers towards their own team? Blasphemy, seriously why are you surprised? We have the same dumbass posts here

 

If the Brewers came to Wrigley and put a 4 game beatdown on the Cubs, the last thing I would be saying is: "We'll see what happens when they play some real teams on the road".

 

Now that's some funny chit.

[Keener98]

Its no more funny than some of the stuff said here. That 4 game sweep means jack when we meet the next time plain and simple.

[ChiCubsfan0502]

Its no more funny than some of the stuff said here. That 4 game sweep means jack when we meet the next time plain and simple.

 

It means Jack? Check the division standing and perhaps you'll see how big that series was. Because of that series, the next series might not mean too much.

[Keener98]

Its no more funny than some of the stuff said here. That 4 game sweep means jack when we meet the next time plain and simple.

 

It means Jack? Check the division standing and perhaps you'll see how big that series was. Because of that series, the next series might not mean too much.

 

 

It means jack the next time we play them. It was a win and thats always good, but it has absolutley no effect on what happens the next time we meet.

[Vanilla Ice]

oh god

 

im adding a second person to my ignore lit

[Ball And Glove]

The guy's right -- it does tell me something about the two teams that the Cubs are only 4.5 games ahead of the Brewers. It tells me that the Brewers have been incredibly lucky in one-run and extra-inning games and we really don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to smack in that regard.

 

Acting like the Brewers are overcoming a bunch of underachievers this year is pretty ridiculous, too, considering Bill Hall and Rickie Weeks are really the only guys who are disappointing. Everyone else is producing close to where you would expect them to be. I'd be interested to hear who the players are that are having worse seasons than last year. Fielder, maybe, but you'd have to be stupid to expect someone to hit 50 home runs every year, especially a guy who's like 24. Hardy and Hart are pretty much on pace to match what they did last season, Cameron's playing up to his career averages, Braun has pretty much played up to what he's capable of, we knew Kendall was going to be a .240 hitter, and Hall's just as bad as he was last year.

 

On the pitching end, Sheets is actually putting together a healthy season, Dave Bush is putting together the best year he's ever had in Milwaukee, they unexpectedly got a few solid starts from Seth McClung, Manny Parra has pitched well for his first full year in the Majors, and we all knew Suppan would be like the 6th or 7th best starting option and he's pitching like it. Mota and Gagne have been the main offenders in the bullpen, but both were basically chased out of their previous towns.

[bukie]

24-11 in 1-run games with that bullpen is some Houdini-esque trickery.

 

And though the Pythagorean estimates are just a simple tool, they would suggest that the gap between the Cubs and the rest is more likely to continue to grow than it is to shrink.

[Ball And Glove]

24-11 in 1-run games with that bullpen is some Houdini-esque trickery.

 

It helps that the Brewers are among the league leaders in IP by starters (meaning their bullpen has thrown fewer innings than just about everyone else), but I agree that it seems to be pretty unsustainable. There's something to be said about winning close games, but 24 of their 74 wins being by 1 run is pretty ridiculous.

 

And maybe I'm being a bit of a homer here (and feel free to call me out on it if this is silly), but I don't think the Brewers' bullpen is as bad as it's been made out to be. Everyone looks at Gagne's problems and thinks it's indicative of the entire bullpen struggling, but the bullpen ERA is right around league average. ESPN.com has their current team ERA ("as reliever" split) at 3.88, good enough for 6th in the NL. The Cubs are 5th at 3.86. Again, it probably helps that they pitch so few innings lately, but they're far from atrocious.

[bukie]

24-11 in 1-run games with that bullpen is some Houdini-esque trickery.

 

It helps that the Brewers are among the league leaders in IP by starters (meaning their bullpen has thrown fewer innings than just about everyone else), but I agree that it seems to be pretty unsustainable. There's something to be said about winning close games, but 24 of their 74 wins being by 1 run is pretty ridiculous.

 

And maybe I'm being a bit of a homer here (and feel free to call me out on it if this is silly), but I don't think the Brewers' bullpen is as bad as it's been made out to be. Everyone looks at Gagne's problems and thinks it's indicative of the entire bullpen struggling, but the bullpen ERA is right around league average. ESPN.com has their current team ERA ("as reliever" split) at 3.88, good enough for 6th in the NL. The Cubs are 5th at 3.86. Again, it probably helps that they pitch so few innings lately, but they're far from atrocious.

 

Shouse and Torres are exceptional this year, and Riske is a bit above average, which makes 3 guys the Brewers can count on out of the pen. With Sheets/CC going 7+ each time out, the seedy back-end of the pen (Gagne, Mota, Villanueva, McClung, Turnbow...who I think is gone now anyway) doesn't come up too often, which helps.

 

On the Cubs' end of the bullpen, the poor pitchers have slowly been weeded out over the year (Hart, Eyre, Fox), leaving the current pen with an exceptional 6 pitchers (Wood, Marmol, Gaudin -- if it's OK that I toss out yesterday's performance as an anomaly since someone had to get outs, Samardzija, Cotts, Marshall) and one below average pitcher that should be in the back end of the bullpen, but throws strikes, so Lou keeps tossing him out there. Never mind that the strikes are belt high and 85 and are hit either off the wall or onto the street, they're strikes.

 

Maybe I'm being a homer here, but I'm holding out hope that one of three things happens with that last spot. One, Howry figures out how to paint the corners again. Two, Wuertz finds the strike zone consistently enough in Iowa that Lou sees how good of a pitcher he actually is. Three, Angel Guzman's arm holds up for a month of pitching. That happens, the bullpen suddenly becomes amazing, despite being awful enough during May/June to put the overall numbers at average.

 

EDIT: I apparently didn't notice Stetter was reassigned to AAA about a month back. Why?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Turnbow...who I think is gone now anyway

yes, yes he is...

link and stuff

[Cynosure]

Nice stats LOL!

[Ball And Glove]

Turnbow actually went down with an injury a little while ago...I think it was something with the rotator cuff, so he's probably done pitching. Stetter was sent down when Suppan came back from the DL. I was personally hoping Mota would get DFA'd, but for some reason the Brewers are determined to keep him on the roster. Stetter will be back September 1st, though.

 

bukie, I don't think Villanueva hasn't been that bad since his move to the bullpen. His ERA is still pretty ugly due to his plethora of bad starts at the beginning of the year, but since moving to the bullpen he has an ERA of 2.14 and he's cut down on the walks (only 7 walks compared to 43 strikeouts in 42 innings). I'd add Villanueva into that "solid relievers" group with Shouse and Torres, but you're pretty much spot on.

[aerosmith21]

So glad someone posted this over here....I saw that yesterday and just laughed. Like it has been said before they fail to mention all the players on our team underachieving this year....cough cough DLee.

[third eye]

24-11 in 1-run games with that bullpen is some Houdini-esque trickery.

 

It helps that the Brewers are among the league leaders in IP by starters (meaning their bullpen has thrown fewer innings than just about everyone else), but I agree that it seems to be pretty unsustainable. There's something to be said about winning close games, but 24 of their 74 wins being by 1 run is pretty ridiculous.

 

And maybe I'm being a bit of a homer here (and feel free to call me out on it if this is silly), but I don't think the Brewers' bullpen is as bad as it's been made out to be. Everyone looks at Gagne's problems and thinks it's indicative of the entire bullpen struggling, but the bullpen ERA is right around league average. ESPN.com has their current team ERA ("as reliever" split) at 3.88, good enough for 6th in the NL. The Cubs are 5th at 3.86. Again, it probably helps that they pitch so few innings lately, but they're far from atrocious.

 

I think you've been far from a homer. I have actually enjoyed reading the objectivity in your posts, and I hope you continue to share with this board.

[Soul]

The guy's right -- it does tell me something about the two teams that the Cubs are only 4.5 games ahead of the Brewers. It tells me that the Brewers have been incredibly lucky in one-run and extra-inning games and we really don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to smack in that regard.

 

Acting like the Brewers are overcoming a bunch of underachievers this year is pretty ridiculous, too, considering Bill Hall and Rickie Weeks are really the only guys who are disappointing. Everyone else is producing close to where you would expect them to be. I'd be interested to hear who the players are that are having worse seasons than last year. Fielder, maybe, but you'd have to be stupid to expect someone to hit 50 home runs every year, especially a guy who's like 24. Hardy and Hart are pretty much on pace to match what they did last season, Cameron's playing up to his career averages, Braun has pretty much played up to what he's capable of, we knew Kendall was going to be a .240 hitter, and Hall's just as bad as he was last year.

 

On the pitching end, Sheets is actually putting together a healthy season, Dave Bush is putting together the best year he's ever had in Milwaukee, they unexpectedly got a few solid starts from Seth McClung, Manny Parra has pitched well for his first full year in the Majors, and we all knew Suppan would be like the 6th or 7th best starting option and he's pitching like it. Mota and Gagne have been the main offenders in the bullpen, but both were basically chased out of their previous towns.

There are plenty of Cub fans who have similar out-of-whack opinions of the Cubs over the Brewers, so I just take it with a grain of salt when I read stuff like that.

 

I get a chance to watch the Brewers a ton, there's no doubt in my mind they are a very good baseball team. Yes, they have some weaknesses but I think that's true of even the best teams. I don't see anything in the way of the Crew showing up in the NLCS, to be honest. They'll probably draw the Mets or Phils -- I don't see them losing to either of those teams in a 5 game.

[javy knows my name]

24-11 in 1-run games with that bullpen is some Houdini-esque trickery.

 

It helps that the Brewers are among the league leaders in IP by starters (meaning their bullpen has thrown fewer innings than just about everyone else), but I agree that it seems to be pretty unsustainable. There's something to be said about winning close games, but 24 of their 74 wins being by 1 run is pretty ridiculous.

 

And maybe I'm being a bit of a homer here (and feel free to call me out on it if this is silly)

 

I think you've been far from a homer. I have actually enjoyed reading the objectivity in your posts, and I hope you continue to share with this board.

werd

[Bote McBoteface]

24-11 in 1-run games with that bullpen is some Houdini-esque trickery.

 

It helps that the Brewers are among the league leaders in IP by starters (meaning their bullpen has thrown fewer innings than just about everyone else), but I agree that it seems to be pretty unsustainable. There's something to be said about winning close games, but 24 of their 74 wins being by 1 run is pretty ridiculous.

 

And maybe I'm being a bit of a homer here (and feel free to call me out on it if this is silly), but I don't think the Brewers' bullpen is as bad as it's been made out to be. Everyone looks at Gagne's problems and thinks it's indicative of the entire bullpen struggling, but the bullpen ERA is right around league average. ESPN.com has their current team ERA ("as reliever" split) at 3.88, good enough for 6th in the NL. The Cubs are 5th at 3.86. Again, it probably helps that they pitch so few innings lately, but they're far from atrocious.

 

I think you've been far from a homer. I have actually enjoyed reading the objectivity in your posts, and I hope you continue to share with this board.

[Derwood]

wait, those Turnbow stats can't be right. There's no way he has 41 BB and 28 K in 18 IP

[Ding Dong Johnson]

wait, those Turnbow stats can't be right. There's no way he has 41 BB and 28 K in 18 IP

you'd think that, wouldn't you? oh, they're right -- he's been that bad

[Ball And Glove]

Yeah, Turnbow did have 41 walks and 28 strikeouts in only 18 innings at AAA. He was left out there for a lot of "sink or swim" innings and pretty much drowned. I seem to remember a few outings where he had 6 or 8 walks in just over 2 innings of work. He was already a mental midget...getting sent down to AAA was probably too much of a blow to his confidence to overcome.

[Guest]

The guy's right -- it does tell me something about the two teams that the Cubs are only 4.5 games ahead of the Brewers. It tells me that the Brewers have been incredibly lucky in one-run and extra-inning games and we really don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to smack in that regard.

 

Acting like the Brewers are overcoming a bunch of underachievers this year is pretty ridiculous, too, considering Bill Hall and Rickie Weeks are really the only guys who are disappointing. Everyone else is producing close to where you would expect them to be. I'd be interested to hear who the players are that are having worse seasons than last year. Fielder, maybe, but you'd have to be stupid to expect someone to hit 50 home runs every year, especially a guy who's like 24. Hardy and Hart are pretty much on pace to match what they did last season, Cameron's playing up to his career averages, Braun has pretty much played up to what he's capable of, we knew Kendall was going to be a .240 hitter, and Hall's just as bad as he was last year.

 

On the pitching end, Sheets is actually putting together a healthy season, Dave Bush is putting together the best year he's ever had in Milwaukee, they unexpectedly got a few solid starts from Seth McClung, Manny Parra has pitched well for his first full year in the Majors, and we all knew Suppan would be like the 6th or 7th best starting option and he's pitching like it. Mota and Gagne have been the main offenders in the bullpen, but both were basically chased out of their previous towns.

There are plenty of Cub fans who have similar out-of-whack opinions of the Cubs over the Brewers, so I just take it with a grain of salt when I read stuff like that.

 

I get a chance to watch the Brewers a ton, there's no doubt in my mind they are a very good baseball team. Yes, they have some weaknesses but I think that's true of even the best teams. I don't see anything in the way of the Crew showing up in the NLCS, to be honest. They'll probably draw the Mets or Phils -- I don't see them losing to either of those teams in a 5 game.

 

Especially if they can set their rotation for the first round.