Has Ricky Nolasco gotten a thread yet?

[inari]

25 GS

164.3 IP

3.67 ERA

1.156 WHIP

137 K

36 BB

 

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/writers/john_donovan/11/27/hot.stove.questions/p1.pierre.jpg

 

:(

[Ding Dong Johnson]

the compensation for letting Pierre go was Josh Donaldson who was then traded for Rich Harden. (Murton/Gallagher/Patterson had to be included to get Gaudin too)

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the compensation for letting Pierre go was Josh Donaldson who was then traded for Rich Harden. (Murton/Gallagher/Patterson had to be included to get Gaudin too)

 

not sure that balances it out

[Ding Dong Johnson]

the compensation for letting Pierre go was Josh Donaldson who was then traded for Rich Harden. (Murton/Gallagher/Patterson had to be included to get Gaudin too)

 

not sure that balances it out

it does in my mind

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the compensation for letting Pierre go was Josh Donaldson who was then traded for Rich Harden. (Murton/Gallagher/Patterson had to be included to get Gaudin too)

 

not sure that balances it out

it does in my mind

 

are you assuming that there's no other combination of players that would have netted us Harden? If so, I agree. But I don't think that's probably true. It's also hard to compare a guy traded away 3 years ago for a guy acquired via trade last month.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

are you assuming that there's no other combination of players that would have netted us Harden? If so, I agree. But I don't think that's probably true. It's also hard to compare a guy traded away 3 years ago for a guy acquired via trade last month.

no assumptions, it's my little way of finding redemption for that deal

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fair enough

[rawaction]

Nolasco was the guy I wanted to lose least of the 3. Mitre had limited upside/talent. Pinto was starting to look like what he has become, a fat reliever. I would have been fine with those 2 for Pierre, even though I still think it would have been overpaying.

[jersey cubs fan]

Nolasco was the guy I wanted to lose least of the 3. Mitre had limited upside/talent. Pinto was starting to look like what he has become, a fat reliever. I would have been fine with those 2 for Pierre, even though I still think it would have been overpaying.

 

I wouldn't have been fine with anything for Pierre. The Harden trade showed this type of marginal prospect can be thrown into any package for a significant upgrade, they held more value than Pierre then and they still do now. Pierre epitomized some of the worst aspects of the organization:

 

irrational desire to fill "needs" that don't really exist - leadoff hitter

ignorance of the things that make a hitter productive - walks, obp

inisistence on overpaying for veterans to do the same job a cheaper player could do

[Guest]

Ricky Nolasco!

 

What a horrid trade that was. :(

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I tried to spread the word with my campaign to get him 2005 Minor League POY, but that fell on deaf ears.

[David]

Wrong thread

[sneakypower]

there's a much more legitimate complaint to be made for losing Hamilton than there is for Nolasco.

 

-he wasn't in the team's plans

-he never really had a spot in the rotation

-he's missed a lot of time

-the team would not have waited out his injuries and struggles like the $15m Marlins have

 

is our pitching depth bad now? we can't even sneak Marshall in the rotation and Hill is still floating around there somewhere. Samardzija might not be able to fit into the rotation next year either.

 

good for Nolasco that he's doing so well; I don't miss him one bit.

[CubinNY]

there's a much more legitimate complaint to be made for losing Hamilton than there is for Nolasco.

 

-he wasn't in the team's plans

-he never really had a spot in the rotation

-he's missed a lot of time

-the team would not have waited out his injuries and struggles like the $15m Marlins have

 

is our pitching depth bad now? we can't even sneak Marshall in the rotation and Hill is still floating around there somewhere. Samardzija might not be able to fit into the rotation next year either.

 

good for Nolasco that he's doing so well; I don't miss him one bit.

Except for the fact that the Cubs didn't even know the name of the person they were selecting until the time he was selected. The Cubs never lost Hamilton b/c they never had Hamilton.

[jersey cubs fan]

there's a much more legitimate complaint to be made for losing Hamilton than there is for Nolasco.

 

-he wasn't in the team's plans

-he never really had a spot in the rotation-he's missed a lot of time

-the team would not have waited out his injuries and struggles like the $15m Marlins have

 

is our pitching depth bad now? we can't even sneak Marshall in the rotation and Hill is still floating around there somewhere. Samardzija might not be able to fit into the rotation next year either.

 

good for Nolasco that he's doing so well; I don't miss him one bit.

 

Those are not knocks on his value as a prospect, they are knocks on the Cubs. They traded away a commodity for a piece of crap expensive ballplayer. They didn't have to put Nolasco into their rotation to get value, they could have traded him for somebody who didn't suck.

[sneakypower]

so you guys think Juan Pierre sucked; well there's a horse that hasn't been beaten to death

 

with a 4.91 ERA coming into this year, i doubt we'd have cleared a rotation spot for him

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so you guys think Juan Pierre sucked; well there's a horse that hasn't been beaten to death

 

with a 4.91 ERA coming into this year, i doubt we'd have cleared a rotation spot for him

 

did you just ignore jersey's post? It's not about whether Ricky had a spot in the rotation, it's about wasting his value on JP.

[sneakypower]

then what does any of it really matter? so we could have maybe traded him instead for Coco Crisp, who looked better than Pierre at the time of the trade, only to have him flame out instead.

[Sammy Sofa]

then what does any of it really matter? so we could have maybe traded him instead for Coco Crisp, who looked better than Pierre at the time of the trade, only to have him flame out instead.

 

Or he could have been used in a deal to get someone of lasting value.

 

That hypothetical is just as valid as yours.

[sneakypower]

None of it's valid.

 

Hendry usually doesn't even need prospects worth a damn to garner something of value in a trade. So for every time he foolishly gives up Nolasco for diddly-poo in return he'll also give up table scraps to get the most dominant starter in the game or all-star corner infielders. Or are we actually upset that he doesn't win every trade by a sizeable margin?

 

Yeah, I wish my urine tasted like champagne and women begged me to piss on them.

[Sammy Sofa]

People are talking about this particular trade. In the context of this trade, it was a bad move.

 

Everything else is negated by your insane revelation.

[sneakypower]

then why continually harp over a move that has proved not to ill-affect us?

[Sammy Sofa]

It's a 1 page thread that's been prolonged most by your harping over the non-existent harping.

[sneakypower]

well the harping hasn't been confined to just this thread

[Sammy Sofa]

Please show me where Ricky Nolasco and/or Juan Pierre have been running topics of discussion/ranting over this season.