Cubs looking @ Ibanez?

[davell]

Is he going to be a type A free agent? If he is and we could get him for Veal and something else less, I think I'd do it......I really like his bat, because as much as I have enjoyed Edmonds' production to this point, I just can't think it'll continue throughout the season. And if he gets hurt for an extended period, we're down to Johnson playing CF fulltime(because I really don't see Lou giving Pie another shot this year)

 

Get Ibanez, play him in RF 40ish games or so, Soriano will get 5-8 games off the rest of the year and Fukudome will as well, which would then leave Edmonds and Johnson 25-30 games left to split starts between them. Plus, having Edmonds as our top pinch hitter is worlds better than Ward at this point.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Ibanez would also give us a legitimate, starter-quality major league hitter to rest Derrek Lee on occasion.

 

All I'm saying is having him on the bench as another left handed bat(assuming we dont give up a lot and hes ok with that role) I would deal for him.

 

That bench is mighty crowded. Someone would have to be traded, DFAd or what not. If Edmonds needs to take DL time, then theres that, but hes feeling better, so he says. The only option is Ward. Maybe we could be packaged with Howry or Eyre and send them somehwere in need of a LH pinch hitter and crappy old reliever. Unless he would be incredibly cheap, its really not worth doing. Maybe as a waiver deadline deal for the roster expansion would be useful too.

Edited July 30, 2008 by Little Slide Rooter

[BigbadB]

How does Dunn come cheaply? If he were dealt to a team in the same division, you can expect the price tag to be much more than if he were dealt outside of the division or to the AL.

[RammyFanny]

I don't like this idea at all, not even a little bit

I do. Unless we want to hope Jim Edmonds will:

 

1) Stay Healthy

 

2) Stay Great

 

And taking off my Cubs tinted sunglasses for a moment, neither are very likely.

 

As said before, there's no way a 120+ OPS hitter won't help this team, especially in the depth and insurance category.

 

Obviously, it all depends on the price though.

[JWCUB]

If the Cubs want another outfielder, then why not trade for Manny? Sure, he is not LH and maybe not the best clubhouse guy, but he can hit. Maybe he just needs out of Boston. The only problem I would see, is where to play him. Not sure how he or Sori would do in RF. Move Fukudome to Center. He could sign elsewhere in the offseason and the Cubs get the picks.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

If they want a LH CF or OF bet, then go for a longer term solution. Inquire about McLouth or DeJesus.

[BigbadB]

If the Cubs want another outfielder, then why not trade for Manny? Sure, he is not LH and maybe not the best clubhouse guy, but he can hit. Maybe he just needs out of Boston. The only problem I would see, is where to play him. Not sure how he or Sori would do in RF. Move Fukudome to Center. He could sign elsewhere in the offseason and the Cubs get the picks.

 

There is another problem besides where to play him. What are you giving up to get him?

[Schwarber Fan]

If the Cubs want another outfielder, then why not trade for Manny? Sure, he is not LH and maybe not the best clubhouse guy, but he can hit. Maybe he just needs out of Boston. The only problem I would see, is where to play him. Not sure how he or Sori would do in RF. Move Fukudome to Center. He could sign elsewhere in the offseason and the Cubs get the picks.

 

I can't even imagine what would happen if Hendry got Manny at the deadline

[Little Slide Rooter]

If the Cubs want another outfielder, then why not trade for Manny? Sure, he is not LH and maybe not the best clubhouse guy, but he can hit. Maybe he just needs out of Boston. The only problem I would see, is where to play him. Not sure how he or Sori would do in RF. Move Fukudome to Center. He could sign elsewhere in the offseason and the Cubs get the picks.

 

We have nothing we're willing to give up that the Red Sox would want. They're looking at returns like Jeremy Hermida, Matt Kemp, and Andre Ethier.

 

Anyway, Manny isnt leaving Boston. book it.

[dew1679666265]

If they want a LH CF or OF bet, then go for a longer term solution. Inquire about McLouth or DeJesus.

 

The fact that they haven't really looked at long-term answers leads me to believe they haven't given up on Pie completely yet.

 

If they got a long-term guy, they'd have to give up on Felix.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

If they want a LH CF or OF bet, then go for a longer term solution. Inquire about McLouth or DeJesus.

 

The fact that they haven't really looked at long-term answers leads me to believe they haven't given up on Pie completely yet.

 

If they got a long-term guy, they'd have to give up on Felix.

 

You could use Pie to keep the other player cost down though.

[BigbadB]

If they want a LH CF or OF bet, then go for a longer term solution. Inquire about McLouth or DeJesus.

 

The fact that they haven't really looked at long-term answers leads me to believe they haven't given up on Pie completely yet.

 

If they got a long-term guy, they'd have to give up on Felix.

 

Pie will likely be up with the team in September as late inning defensive insurance, barring a trade. I don't think it's a must to beef up the outfield, but I'm intrigued that the Cubs are exploring opportunities to improve.

[RammyFanny]

And if he is going to be a type A, you almost have to make it IMO. Give up two "solid" prospects as MLBTR says the M' want, and get back some of >= value next season.

[dew1679666265]

If they want a LH CF or OF bet, then go for a longer term solution. Inquire about McLouth or DeJesus.

 

The fact that they haven't really looked at long-term answers leads me to believe they haven't given up on Pie completely yet.

 

If they got a long-term guy, they'd have to give up on Felix.

 

You could use Pie to keep the other player cost down though.

 

Definitely. I'm not sure I've seen an outfielder I'm willing to give Pie up for, though.

 

Definitely not DeJesus. Maybe McLouth - though would Pittsburgh give him to us without absolutely scalping us?

[dew1679666265]

If they want a LH CF or OF bet, then go for a longer term solution. Inquire about McLouth or DeJesus.

 

The fact that they haven't really looked at long-term answers leads me to believe they haven't given up on Pie completely yet.

 

If they got a long-term guy, they'd have to give up on Felix.

 

Pie will likely be up with the team in September as late inning defensive insurance, barring a trade. I don't think it's a must to beef up the outfield, but I'm intrigued that the Cubs are exploring opportunities to improve.

 

Yeah, as happy as I've been with Edmonds to this point, his nagging injuries are worrying me.

 

It's good to see Hendry and Lou thinking ahead to get insurance for a possible Edmonds collapse. And even if we don't get Ibanez, looking at 120 OPS+ hitters is always a good thing.

[Little Slide Rooter]

If they want a LH CF or OF bet, then go for a longer term solution. Inquire about McLouth or DeJesus.

 

The fact that they haven't really looked at long-term answers leads me to believe they haven't given up on Pie completely yet.

 

If they got a long-term guy, they'd have to give up on Felix.

 

You could use Pie to keep the other player cost down though.

 

Definitely. I'm not sure I've seen an outfielder I'm willing to give Pie up for, though.

 

Definitely not DeJesus. Maybe McLouth - though would Pittsburgh give him to us without absolutely scalping us?

 

Yeah, those Pirates have absolutely burned is in the past. What I wouldnt give to have Bobby Hill and Jose Hernandez back.

[Vanilla Ice]

If they want a LH CF or OF bet, then go for a longer term solution. Inquire about McLouth or DeJesus.

 

The fact that they haven't really looked at long-term answers leads me to believe they haven't given up on Pie completely yet.

 

If they got a long-term guy, they'd have to give up on Felix.

 

You could use Pie to keep the other player cost down though.

 

Definitely. I'm not sure I've seen an outfielder I'm willing to give Pie up for, though.

 

Definitely not DeJesus. Maybe McLouth - though would Pittsburgh give him to us without absolutely scalping us?

we can just call McLouth up

[dew1679666265]

And if he is going to be a type A, you almost have to make it IMO. Give up two "solid" prospects as MLBTR says the M' want, and get back some of >= value next season.

 

Offensively, there's little doubt you do this deal. But, as others have pointed out and I didn't think of, he's atrocious in the outfield and has only played left for years now.

 

I'd still deal of him (perhaps) but I wouldn't give more than a Kevin Hart and another prospect . . . or something similar.

[shnsajax]

Ibanez doesn't make much sense. If you get him to be a starter, you have to put him in LF, becuase he might be the worst defensive outfielder in the game. So you're weakening your defense to tread water from where you were(emphasis on were) with the Edmonds/Johnson platoon. If you get him for the bench, that doesn't make much sense. His cost in players won't be appropriate, you're still worried about Edmonds' health, and he'd only be a real benefit for the month of August, after which we'll have all the left handed bench bats we want between Hoffpauir, Pie, maybe Fuld, etc. Say no to Ibanez.

 

Why are you trying to take that title away from Ryan Braun? :-)

[RammyFanny]

If they want a LH CF or OF bet, then go for a longer term solution. Inquire about McLouth or DeJesus.

 

The fact that they haven't really looked at long-term answers leads me to believe they haven't given up on Pie completely yet.

 

If they got a long-term guy, they'd have to give up on Felix.

 

You could use Pie to keep the other player cost down though.

 

Definitely. I'm not sure I've seen an outfielder I'm willing to give Pie up for, though.

 

Definitely not DeJesus. Maybe McLouth - though would Pittsburgh give him to us without absolutely scalping us?

I'm not a fan of trying to acquire players when their values are at all-time highs, as in McClouth's case.

[dew1679666265]

If they want a LH CF or OF bet, then go for a longer term solution. Inquire about McLouth or DeJesus.

 

The fact that they haven't really looked at long-term answers leads me to believe they haven't given up on Pie completely yet.

 

If they got a long-term guy, they'd have to give up on Felix.

 

You could use Pie to keep the other player cost down though.

 

Definitely. I'm not sure I've seen an outfielder I'm willing to give Pie up for, though.

 

Definitely not DeJesus. Maybe McLouth - though would Pittsburgh give him to us without absolutely scalping us?

 

Yeah, those Pirates have absolutely burned is in the past. What I wouldnt give to have Bobby Hill and Jose Hernandez back.

 

Excellent point. But, the big difference there is Aramis had one great season and was crap in four other seasons with Pitt. McLouth, though, has played four seasons with the Pirates and has had two very good seasons.

 

Plus, I'm not sure how salaries will play into it. Aramis was close to getting a very large payday. McLouth may not be that close.

[Little Slide Rooter]

The Mariners reportedly want 2 quality prospects, and the Mets are the only other suiter. Seeing as another outfielder is something the Mets really need, as opposed to a luxery bat off the bench, I expect them to outbid us if it comes down to it.

[dew1679666265]

If they want a LH CF or OF bet, then go for a longer term solution. Inquire about McLouth or DeJesus.

 

The fact that they haven't really looked at long-term answers leads me to believe they haven't given up on Pie completely yet.

 

If they got a long-term guy, they'd have to give up on Felix.

 

You could use Pie to keep the other player cost down though.

 

Definitely. I'm not sure I've seen an outfielder I'm willing to give Pie up for, though.

 

Definitely not DeJesus. Maybe McLouth - though would Pittsburgh give him to us without absolutely scalping us?

I'm not a fan of trying to acquire players when their values are at all-time highs, as in McClouth's case.

 

Especially buying high inside the division. We bought low on Aramis when we got him from the Pirates. . . this is different.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Ibanez doesn't make much sense. If you get him to be a starter, you have to put him in LF, becuase he might be the worst defensive outfielder in the game. So you're weakening your defense to tread water from where you were(emphasis on were) with the Edmonds/Johnson platoon. If you get him for the bench, that doesn't make much sense. His cost in players won't be appropriate, you're still worried about Edmonds' health, and he'd only be a real benefit for the month of August, after which we'll have all the left handed bench bats we want between Hoffpauir, Pie, maybe Fuld, etc. Say no to Ibanez.

 

Why are you trying to take that title away from Ryan Braun? :-)

 

Because Braun has years to work on his defense, but you cant teach an old dog new tricks.

[dew1679666265]

The Mariners reportedly want 2 quality prospects, and the Mets are the only other suiter. Seeing as another outfielder is something the Mets really need, as opposed to a luxery bat off the bench, I expect them to outbid us if it comes down to it.

 

Then let them, I guess. I wouldn't give two "quality" prospects for him, unless they see quality as Hart and Adkins.