Could the Cubs End up with...

[Bergy92]

5 starters with double digit wins?

 

Dempster (11) & big Z (10) - already there

Lilly (9) - if he does not hit double, we are in trouble

Hardin (5) - what a boost that would be to get 5 wins yet this year

Marquis (6) - longer shot, what a boost that would be, but I think possible.

 

It is possible, how many times has that happened where one team had 5 starters with 10+ wins?

[Little Slide Rooter]

Yes. Yes they could.

[AndyM23]

5 starters with double digit wins?

 

Dempster (11) & big Z (10) - already there

Lilly (9) - if he does not hit double, we are in trouble

Hardin (5) - what a boost that would be to get 5 wins yet this year

Marquis (6) - longer shot, what a boost that would be, but I think possible.

 

It is possible, how many times has that happened where one team had 5 starters with 10+ wins?

 

The Cubs had 5 pitchers with 10+ wins in 1993 when the team went 84-78.

Mike Morgan 10-15

Greg Hibbard 15-11

Jose Guzman 12-10

Mike Harkey 10-10

Jose Bautista 10-3 (he was a part time starter with 3 GS in June and 4 GS in Sept).

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

And if Wins for a starting pitcher actually meant something...it would even be bigger news.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

And if Wins for a starting pitcher actually meant something...it would even be bigger news.

individually, no, but it is a pretty good sign that the team is succeeding

[nilodnayr]

5 starters with double digit wins?

 

Dempster (11) & big Z (10) - already there

Lilly (9) - if he does not hit double, we are in trouble

Hardin (5) - what a boost that would be to get 5 wins yet this year

Marquis (6) - longer shot, what a boost that would be, but I think possible.

 

It is possible, how many times has that happened where one team had 5 starters with 10+ wins?

 

Braves did it in 2003 and 1998. White Sox did it in 2005. I'm sure its happened more often than you'd think, and more often the further back you go in history. Its not really about having great starters, but having healthy starters (and a good pen and good hitting).

[AndyM23]

The last time the Cubs had 5 starting pitchers win 10+ games was 1972.

 

Team finished 91-64:

Fergie Jenkins - 20-12

Burt Hooten - 11-14

Bill Hands - 11-8

Milt Pappas - 17-7

Rick Reuschel - 10-8

[CubbieBum]

Red Sox '04

White Sox '06

A's '05

A's '04

Angels '03

Braves '03

Marlins '06

Astros '05

Cardinals '05

Cardinals '04

Giants '02

 

That's a list I got from ESPN team stats for the years 2002-2007. I didn't check all the teams. If a team has sucked the whole time I didn't bother to go to their page (Probably went to about 20 of the teams).

 

So in six seasons we have had 12 teams do it. That's not too rare and like others have said it really means nothing. It shows that you didn't have injuries and you won quite a bit. Although the last one isn't necessarily true. I don't think all the teams above were winning teams.

[CubbieBum]

5 starters with double digit wins?

 

Dempster (11) & big Z (10) - already there

Lilly (9) - if he does not hit double, we are in trouble

Hardin (5) - what a boost that would be to get 5 wins yet this year

Marquis (6) - longer shot, what a boost that would be, but I think possible.

 

It is possible, how many times has that happened where one team had 5 starters with 10+ wins?

 

Braves did it in 2003 and 1998. White Sox did it in 2005. I'm sure its happened more often than you'd think, and more often the further back you go in history. Its not really about having great starters, but having healthy starters (and a good pen and good hitting).

 

It was 2006.

[nilodnayr]

5 starters with double digit wins?

 

Dempster (11) & big Z (10) - already there

Lilly (9) - if he does not hit double, we are in trouble

Hardin (5) - what a boost that would be to get 5 wins yet this year

Marquis (6) - longer shot, what a boost that would be, but I think possible.

 

It is possible, how many times has that happened where one team had 5 starters with 10+ wins?

 

Braves did it in 2003 and 1998. White Sox did it in 2005. I'm sure its happened more often than you'd think, and more often the further back you go in history. Its not really about having great starters, but having healthy starters (and a good pen and good hitting).

 

It was 2006.

Woops, sorry about that you are right. I'm sure there are a ton more, I just knew the Sox did it recently and figured the Braves had to do it a couple times in their run so that was all I looked up.

[Bergy92]

wow, thanks for the stats - this is the place for stats. I am a long-time reader and occasional poster...thanks for the input.

 

but I will say that it has to mean something, not nothing. Like some just said, maybe it means a good bullpen or generally that you are a decent team.

[David]

Red Sox '04

White Sox '06

A's '05

A's '04

Angels '03

Braves '03

Marlins '06

Astros '05

Cardinals '05

Cardinals '04

Giants '02

 

That's a list I got from ESPN team stats for the years 2002-2007. I didn't check all the teams. If a team has sucked the whole time I didn't bother to go to their page (Probably went to about 20 of the teams).

 

So in six seasons we have had 12 teams do it. That's not too rare and like others have said it really means nothing. It shows that you didn't have injuries and you won quite a bit. Although the last one isn't necessarily true. I don't think all the teams above were winning teams.

 

I think almost all of them are. Off the top of my head, the only one I'm really doubting is the 06 Marlins. Maybe the 03 Angels, too. I remember them having a sort of a disappointing year after the WS.

[jersey cubs fan]

Red Sox '04

White Sox '06

A's '05

A's '04

Angels '03

Braves '03

Marlins '06

Astros '05

Cardinals '05

Cardinals '04

Giants '02

 

That's a list I got from ESPN team stats for the years 2002-2007. I didn't check all the teams. If a team has sucked the whole time I didn't bother to go to their page (Probably went to about 20 of the teams).

 

So in six seasons we have had 12 teams do it. That's not too rare and like others have said it really means nothing. It shows that you didn't have injuries and you won quite a bit. Although the last one isn't necessarily true. I don't think all the teams above were winning teams.

 

I think almost all of them are. Off the top of my head, the only one I'm really doubting is the 06 Marlins. Maybe the 03 Angels, too. I remember them having a sort of a disappointing year after the WS.

 

The '03 Angels were sub .500 and had 3 starters with 10 wins.

[David]

Well, there you go. Shouldn't even be on the list.

[NCCubFan]

What might be more impressive is having two of them win 20 or more (Zambrano and Dempster could do that). Unless I'm forgetting a year the last time the Cubs did that was 1969 (Fergie Jenkins and Bill Hands).

[Amazing_Grace]

Marquis will not end up with 10 wins. It's very possible he'll be traded and not get the chance anyway.

[AndyM23]

What might be more impressive is having two of them win 20 or more (Zambrano and Dempster could do that). Unless I'm forgetting a year the last time the Cubs did that was 1969 (Fergie Jenkins and Bill Hands).

 

Yep and Holtzman had 17 that season. But then again, that was back when a 4-man rotation was the norm so each starter got 40-42 starts if they were healthy.

[NCCubFan]

What might be more impressive is having two of them win 20 or more (Zambrano and Dempster could do that). Unless I'm forgetting a year the last time the Cubs did that was 1969 (Fergie Jenkins and Bill Hands).

 

Yep and Holtzman had 17 that season. But then again, that was back when a 4-man rotation was the norm so each starter got 40-42 starts if they were healthy.

The Cubs actually had five pitchers with double-digit wins that year. Dick Selma won 10 games with the Cubs (12 overall; he was traded to the Cubs during the season) and reliever Phil Regan had 12 wins (in addition to 17 saves, which doesn't sound like much today but was back then).

[treebird]

i just hope we can win a game

[CubbieBum]

Red Sox '04

White Sox '06

A's '05

A's '04

Angels '03

Braves '03

Marlins '06

Astros '05

Cardinals '05

Cardinals '04

Giants '02

 

That's a list I got from ESPN team stats for the years 2002-2007. I didn't check all the teams. If a team has sucked the whole time I didn't bother to go to their page (Probably went to about 20 of the teams).

 

So in six seasons we have had 12 teams do it. That's not too rare and like others have said it really means nothing. It shows that you didn't have injuries and you won quite a bit. Although the last one isn't necessarily true. I don't think all the teams above were winning teams.

 

I think almost all of them are. Off the top of my head, the only one I'm really doubting is the 06 Marlins. Maybe the 03 Angels, too. I remember them having a sort of a disappointing year after the WS.

 

The '03 Angels were sub .500 and had 3 starters with 10 wins.

 

Your right I don't know why I had them on the list.

 

 

And if you include relievers then the list grows by a couple.

 

*edit it was the 03 Mariners, who were the very next team I looked at after the Angels

Edited July 22, 2008 by CubbieBum

[CubbieBum]

hahaha Rangers have never had more than 2 since 2002 and had 1 twice

[CubbieBum]

hahaha Rangers have never had more than 2 since 2002 and had 1 twice

 

okay never mind the Royals are truely comical. They've had 0 pitchers with 10 wins once, and only one all the other years. yes thats right since 2002 the Royals have never had more than one pitcher win 10 games and it gets worse. Other than Byrd's 17 in 2002 the highest win total is Bannister at 12 last year as a rookie.

[CubbieBum]

Red Sox '04

White Sox '06

A's '05

A's '04

Mariners '03

Braves '03

Marlins '06

Astros '05

Cardinals '05

Cardinals '04

Giants '02

 

That's the completed list. None of the teams I didn't check earlier have done it since 2002. I amaze my self sometimes (channelling my inner Lonestar I guess).