How many third basemen are better than Aramis Ramirez?

[CubbieBum]

WARP3 is good in that it takes defense into account, but the defensive metric (FRAA) appears shaky to me. ARam was supposedly 22 runs above average last year but is at 0 this year, but to me he's been pretty much as good this year as he was last year.

 

This is because Aram had 4 errors in the first couple weeks and is still making up for it.

 

I had neevr really looked it up to get a true read but had just taken my friends word for it that Wright wasn't even close to Aram last year defensively. Yeah Wright had 21 errors Aram 10 :banghead: . Aram's fielding percenatge was higher than 5 of the 7 years Rolen got a GG :banghead:

 

Another stat note that I hadn't realized is Aram has never scored 100 runs. Pretty surprising to me. Lastly he is 2 walks away from matching last year's total I give credit to him and Piniella for that.

[NCCubFan]

Honestly, I really don't give a rip who's better than Aramis. I'm just very happy that the Cubs finally got a decent 3rd baseman after all those years after Santo.

Actually they had one in the mid 70s (Bill Madlock), but they were too stupid to keep him.

[Jehrico]

Honestly, I really don't give a rip who's better than Aramis. I'm just very happy that the Cubs finally got a decent 3rd baseman after all those years after Santo.

Actually they had one in the mid 70s (Bill Madlock), but they were too stupid to keep him.

I liked Ron Cey, but only because I was too young to realize he was mediocre at best by the time he played for us.

[fromthestretch]

Lastly he is 2 walks away from matching last year's total I give credit to him and Piniella for that.

 

Gerald Perry just shed a tear.

[champaignchris]

The answer to the OP's question is Chipper Jones and A-Rod.

 

The interesting thing is that A-Ram is still only 29 years old... 7 years younger than Chipper and 3 years younger than A-Rod. Over the next three or four years A-Ram is going to be one of the best two 3Bs in baseball. Chipper is inevitably going to start going through his end of (very good probably HOF) career decline and is probably only a couple years away from spending the rest of his career as a 1B or DH.

[Clem Fandango]

Another stat note that I hadn't realized is Aram has never scored 100 runs. Pretty surprising to me.

 

Kind of hard to score runs when you have had offensive forces like Jacque Jones, Cesar Izturis, Cliff Floyd, Jeromy Burnitz, and Todd Hollandsworth hitting behind you

[Vanilla Ice]

Another stat note that I hadn't realized is Aram has never scored 100 runs. Pretty surprising to me.

 

Kind of hard to score runs when you have had offensive forces like Jacque Jones, Cesar Izturis, Cliff Floyd, Jeromy Burnitz, and Todd Hollandsworth hitting behind you

maybe Lou was on to something when he tried to give Aramis protection with Fuku and Soto behind him.

[CubbieBum]

Another stat note that I hadn't realized is Aram has never scored 100 runs. Pretty surprising to me.

 

Kind of hard to score runs when you have had offensive forces like Jacque Jones, Cesar Izturis, Cliff Floyd, Jeromy Burnitz, and Todd Hollandsworth hitting behind you

 

I realize that but for a guy who has hit .300+ with 30+ hr's to never score 100 in 5 or 6 years with that production is pretty rare. Guys in awful offenses who are the guy in that offense still manage to score 100 most seasons.

[Vanilla Ice]

Another stat note that I hadn't realized is Aram has never scored 100 runs. Pretty surprising to me.

 

Kind of hard to score runs when you have had offensive forces like Jacque Jones, Cesar Izturis, Cliff Floyd, Jeromy Burnitz, and Todd Hollandsworth hitting behind you

 

I realize that but for a guy who has hit .300+ with 30+ hr's to never score 100 in 5 or 6 years with that production is pretty rare. Guys in awful offenses who are the guy in that offense still manage to score 100 most seasons.

its that fake hustle

[XZero771679666304]

Another stat note that I hadn't realized is Aram has never scored 100 runs. Pretty surprising to me.

 

Kind of hard to score runs when you have had offensive forces like Jacque Jones, Cesar Izturis, Cliff Floyd, Jeromy Burnitz, and Todd Hollandsworth hitting behind you

 

I realize that but for a guy who has hit .300+ with 30+ hr's to never score 100 in 5 or 6 years with that production is pretty rare. Guys in awful offenses who are the guy in that offense still manage to score 100 most seasons.

 

Combine the jokers that have hit behind him with the missed time, and it's really not that surprising.

[Jehrico]

Another stat note that I hadn't realized is Aram has never scored 100 runs. Pretty surprising to me.

 

Kind of hard to score runs when you have had offensive forces like Jacque Jones, Cesar Izturis, Cliff Floyd, Jeromy Burnitz, and Todd Hollandsworth hitting behind you

 

I realize that but for a guy who has hit .300+ with 30+ hr's to never score 100 in 5 or 6 years with that production is pretty rare. Guys in awful offenses who are the guy in that offense still manage to score 100 most seasons.

 

Combine the jokers that have hit behind him with the missed time, and it's really not that surprising.

The missed time is the main culprit. He's missed around 30 games due to hamstring problems most of those years, hasn't he?

[shnsajax]

Chipper is HOF, the only question is he a first vote or second vote.

 

The fact that Aramis is 4th in all of baseball in RBI's since 2003 says a whole lot, considering who little publicity he gets. You can put Longoria in this discussion next year.

[SABR Gamer]

I think the biggest thing that turned Ramirez around was Wrigley field. He seems to have been built for that ballpark. He wasn't close to the hitter he is now before he went to the Cubs, and his home/away split difference seems to be rather large.

 

 

Not true at all Aramis has not had a huge home/away split, and really its gone back and forth, he isn't definitively better at one place or the other. He has only really been much better at home for the last year and a half, before that he was better on the road. So your statement that Wrigley is what made him a better player is wrong.

 

YEAR: HOME-(AVG/OBP/SLG/OPS), ROAD-(AVG/OBP/SLG/OPS)

2004: H-(.315/.377/.623/.999), R-(.321/.369/.538/.907)

2005: H-(.285/.340/.498/.838), R-(.318/.374/.632/1.006)

2006: H-(.291/.350/.535/.886), R-(.292/.352/.583/.936)

2007: H-(.337/.403/.643/1.046), R-(.283/.326/.454/.780)

2008: H-(.310/.417/.574/.991), R-(.268/.366/.408/.774)

 

Career as a Cub excluding 2003

04-08: H-(.311/.383/.579/.962), R-(.299/.352/.542/.894)

 

 

So sure he's been better at home, but it's not a big enough split to say that his success and improvement were because of playing at Wrigley. It's more likely because he entered his prime when he came to the Cubs and is probably more comfortable playing at home, which I would assume all players are.