Re: College Basketball 2008-2009

[rchap24]

Nice job Boilers. :clapping:

 

Thank you. If you go to Mackey you can probably say that to them in person because they are likely shooting free throws right now.

 

yeah, because the refs are still calling fouls on the illini.

 

The game was called fairly.

 

not really.

 

Eh, there were some questionable calls both ways. The only really bad call was the foul at the end of regulation on Davis. Typical B10 game other than that.

 

i was just making a comment on how many more free throws purdue shot than the illini. the fouls looked even at the end because of the 7 fouls purdue had in the ot period.

 

plus, purdue didn't lose the game, they were beaten.

 

Just because one team shoots 10-15 more free throws doesn't mean the reffing was bad. Watch the game with open eyes and you will see the game was reffed well. Purdue shot more free throws because they had their guards driving a lot and JaJuan was getting great position. Ilinois was getting open jump shots from 10-15 feet out all game. Those are great scoring opportunities but you won't get a lot of free throws with jump shots.

 

you should take your own advice, your one of the biggest homers here. purdue would get the ball on the block and get the foul every time, regardless of if they were touched or not. tisdale gets pushed and his hand gets tangled up in someone's baggy jersey and he gets called for a foul for grabbing. the free throws really speak for themselves.

 

i think they just called another foul on tisdale, really.

 

it's awesome though, if someone disagrees with you, that's generally your only response. just because no one agrees with you doesn't mean they aren't "looking at it with open eyes".

 

I'll say the foul on Tisdale that Kramer got hurt wasn't a foul and just a smart move by Kramer, but the Foul underneath he was grabbing his jersey to try to stop him from getting the board it was totally and foul. A lot of players get away with that down low and it's just matters if you get caught and he did...Believe me Purdue had the same type of game with the differential in FT against Oklahoma though it's frustrating, but when your shooting jump shots the whole game your not gonna get to line as much.

[fromthestretch]

they showed the replay and it was the correct call, the announcers gushed about the call for like 5 minutes.

 

Just curious, but did they show a different angle of that play? Everytime I saw the replay, it was from the original angle, from which it looked like it should have been Purdue's ball. That is pretty much the same angle the broadcasters had, so they didn't really have a better view of things than anyone watching the game on TV.

 

I'm open to the idea that it may have been the right call, but from the one view they kept showing, it certainly looked like it should have been Purdue's ball.

[Magnetic Curses]

Nice job Boilers. :clapping:

 

Thank you. If you go to Mackey you can probably say that to them in person because they are likely shooting free throws right now.

 

yeah, because the refs are still calling fouls on the illini.

 

The game was called fairly.

 

not really.

 

Eh, there were some questionable calls both ways. The only really bad call was the foul at the end of regulation on Davis. Typical B10 game other than that.

 

i was just making a comment on how many more free throws purdue shot than the illini. the fouls looked even at the end because of the 7 fouls purdue had in the ot period.

 

plus, purdue didn't lose the game, they were beaten.

 

Just because one team shoots 10-15 more free throws doesn't mean the reffing was bad. Watch the game with open eyes and you will see the game was reffed well. Purdue shot more free throws because they had their guards driving a lot and JaJuan was getting great position. Ilinois was getting open jump shots from 10-15 feet out all game. Those are great scoring opportunities but you won't get a lot of free throws with jump shots.

 

you should take your own advice, your one of the biggest homers here. purdue would get the ball on the block and get the foul every time, regardless of if they were touched or not. tisdale gets pushed and his hand gets tangled up in someone's baggy jersey and he gets called for a foul for grabbing. the free throws really speak for themselves.

 

i think they just called another foul on tisdale, really.

 

it's awesome though, if someone disagrees with you, that's generally your only response. just because no one agrees with you doesn't mean they aren't "looking at it with open eyes".

 

I'll say the foul on Tisdale that Kramer got hurt wasn't a foul and just a smart move by Kramer, but the Foul underneath he was grabbing his jersey to try to stop him from getting the board it was totally and foul. A lot of players get away with that down low and it's just matters if you get caught and he did...Believe me Purdue had the same type of game with the differential in FT against Oklahoma though it's frustrating, but when your shooting jump shots the whole game your not gonna get to line as much.

 

it wasn't really frustrating for me, though. the illini won, so i can't complain all too much. i CAN complain about folks talking about how the illini didn't win the game, but that purdue simply lost it.

[rchap24]

What happened on the play where it went out of bounce and Johnson threw the ball off of McCamey's leg? Did it hit the line first? Why'd the ref make the call so quickly it looked like it bounced off his leg?.....Regardless though good game and impressive win by you guys

 

It sure looked like it should have been Purdue's ball on that play. Also, the non-call on the over-and-back was terrible. I wasn't pleased with the officiating, but it was bad both ways. I do think they made a good call on Hummel's shot in the second half, as it looked like his toe was on the three-point line. The Boilers killed themselves with their shooting, especially from the free throw line.

 

As a side note, Marcus Green has looked completely lost the past two games. Purdue needs him to get his head on straight, especially if Kramer is going to be out for awhile. Also, while I appreciate Bobby Riddell's contribution against Valpo, he has no business starting a conference game.

 

The Riddell minutes going up in a Big-Ten game makes no sense, but yeah the reffing was bad both ways and The Hummel call I questioned as well. The Green thing has been weird because I feel like the first 10ish games of the year he was contributing more defensively and on the boards.... I feel like the last two games hes just dribbling around on top of the key.

[Magnetic Curses]

they showed the replay and it was the correct call, the announcers gushed about the call for like 5 minutes.

 

Just curious, but did they show a different angle of that play? Everytime I saw the replay, it was from the original angle, from which it looked like it should have been Purdue's ball. That is pretty much the same angle the broadcasters had, so they didn't really have a better view of things than anyone watching the game on TV.

 

I'm open to the idea that it may have been the right call, but from the one view they kept showing, it certainly looked like it should have been Purdue's ball.

 

i never saw the ball hit mccamey at all.

[rchap24]

Nice job Boilers. :clapping:

 

Thank you. If you go to Mackey you can probably say that to them in person because they are likely shooting free throws right now.

 

yeah, because the refs are still calling fouls on the illini.

 

The game was called fairly.

 

not really.

 

Eh, there were some questionable calls both ways. The only really bad call was the foul at the end of regulation on Davis. Typical B10 game other than that.

 

i was just making a comment on how many more free throws purdue shot than the illini. the fouls looked even at the end because of the 7 fouls purdue had in the ot period.

 

plus, purdue didn't lose the game, they were beaten.

 

Just because one team shoots 10-15 more free throws doesn't mean the reffing was bad. Watch the game with open eyes and you will see the game was reffed well. Purdue shot more free throws because they had their guards driving a lot and JaJuan was getting great position. Ilinois was getting open jump shots from 10-15 feet out all game. Those are great scoring opportunities but you won't get a lot of free throws with jump shots.

 

you should take your own advice, your one of the biggest homers here. purdue would get the ball on the block and get the foul every time, regardless of if they were touched or not. tisdale gets pushed and his hand gets tangled up in someone's baggy jersey and he gets called for a foul for grabbing. the free throws really speak for themselves.

 

i think they just called another foul on tisdale, really.

 

it's awesome though, if someone disagrees with you, that's generally your only response. just because no one agrees with you doesn't mean they aren't "looking at it with open eyes".

 

I'll say the foul on Tisdale that Kramer got hurt wasn't a foul and just a smart move by Kramer, but the Foul underneath he was grabbing his jersey to try to stop him from getting the board it was totally and foul. A lot of players get away with that down low and it's just matters if you get caught and he did...Believe me Purdue had the same type of game with the differential in FT against Oklahoma though it's frustrating, but when your shooting jump shots the whole game your not gonna get to line as much.

 

it wasn't really frustrating for me, though. the illini won, so i can't complain all too much. i CAN complain about folks talking about how the illini didn't win the game, but that purdue simply lost it.

 

U of I deserved to win with our poor free-throw shooting...That absolutely killed us and we should have won in regulation had we made half of the ones we missed...but you guys played great and forced OT and then totally outplayed us in OT

 

On a side note please watch it again because it hit off his shin...My only thing that could have happened was the ball hit the line before Johnson jumped for it, but they never really talked about it after the play

[fromthestretch]

they showed the replay and it was the correct call, the announcers gushed about the call for like 5 minutes.

 

Just curious, but did they show a different angle of that play? Everytime I saw the replay, it was from the original angle, from which it looked like it should have been Purdue's ball. That is pretty much the same angle the broadcasters had, so they didn't really have a better view of things than anyone watching the game on TV.

 

I'm open to the idea that it may have been the right call, but from the one view they kept showing, it certainly looked like it should have been Purdue's ball.

 

i never saw the ball hit mccamey at all.

 

The original angle showed Johnson throw it off his leg. The only question I had was whether it then hit Johnson again before it landed out of bounds.

[rchap24]

Nice job Boilers. :clapping:

 

Thank you. If you go to Mackey you can probably say that to them in person because they are likely shooting free throws right now.

 

yeah, because the refs are still calling fouls on the illini.

 

The game was called fairly.

 

not really.

 

Eh, there were some questionable calls both ways. The only really bad call was the foul at the end of regulation on Davis. Typical B10 game other than that.

 

i was just making a comment on how many more free throws purdue shot than the illini. the fouls looked even at the end because of the 7 fouls purdue had in the ot period.

 

plus, purdue didn't lose the game, they were beaten.

 

Just because one team shoots 10-15 more free throws doesn't mean the reffing was bad. Watch the game with open eyes and you will see the game was reffed well. Purdue shot more free throws because they had their guards driving a lot and JaJuan was getting great position. Ilinois was getting open jump shots from 10-15 feet out all game. Those are great scoring opportunities but you won't get a lot of free throws with jump shots.

 

you should take your own advice, your one of the biggest homers here. purdue would get the ball on the block and get the foul every time, regardless of if they were touched or not. tisdale gets pushed and his hand gets tangled up in someone's baggy jersey and he gets called for a foul for grabbing. the free throws really speak for themselves.

 

i think they just called another foul on tisdale, really.

 

it's awesome though, if someone disagrees with you, that's generally your only response. just because no one agrees with you doesn't mean they aren't "looking at it with open eyes".

 

I'll say the foul on Tisdale that Kramer got hurt wasn't a foul and just a smart move by Kramer, but the Foul underneath he was grabbing his jersey to try to stop him from getting the board it was totally and foul. A lot of players get away with that down low and it's just matters if you get caught and he did...Believe me Purdue had the same type of game with the differential in FT against Oklahoma though it's frustrating, but when your shooting jump shots the whole game your not gonna get to line as much.

 

it wasn't really frustrating for me, though. the illini won, so i can't complain all too much. i CAN complain about folks talking about how the illini didn't win the game, but that purdue simply lost it.

 

U of I deserved to win with our poor free-throw shooting...That absolutely killed us and we should have won in regulation had we made half of the ones we missed...but you guys played great and forced OT and then totally outplayed us in OT

 

On a side note please watch it again because it hit off his shin...My only thing that could have happened was the ball hit the line before Johnson jumped for it, but they never really talked about it after the play

 

And that wasn't a knock on you, but I re-watched the play like 5 times....I think the ref just didn't have the best view on it...I'm not gonna blame the loss on that play alone though...We still would have had to hit a 3 to tie the game up and there was only like 14 sec left at the time.

[rchap24]

they showed the replay and it was the correct call, the announcers gushed about the call for like 5 minutes.

 

Just curious, but did they show a different angle of that play? Everytime I saw the replay, it was from the original angle, from which it looked like it should have been Purdue's ball. That is pretty much the same angle the broadcasters had, so they didn't really have a better view of things than anyone watching the game on TV.

 

I'm open to the idea that it may have been the right call, but from the one view they kept showing, it certainly looked like it should have been Purdue's ball.

 

i never saw the ball hit mccamey at all.

 

The original angle showed Johnson throw it off his leg. The only question I had was whether it then hit Johnson again before it landed out of bounds.

 

That also too, but it looked like it went under him

[bukie]

I think Illinois won last night because they took extremely good care of the ball and did a great job on Hummel defensively. Both of those occurrences had a lot to do with Chester Frazier.

[Magnetic Curses]

 

U of I deserved to win with our poor free-throw shooting...That absolutely killed us and we should have won in regulation had we made half of the ones we missed...but you guys played great and forced OT and then totally outplayed us in OT

 

are you kidding me? this is exactly the kind of crap i'm talking about.

 

"you guys won, but we would have if we wouldn't have beaten ourselves". ridiculous.

 

if not for all the ticky tack fouls, the illini would have won in regulation.

[Magnetic Curses]

they showed the replay and it was the correct call, the announcers gushed about the call for like 5 minutes.

 

Just curious, but did they show a different angle of that play? Everytime I saw the replay, it was from the original angle, from which it looked like it should have been Purdue's ball. That is pretty much the same angle the broadcasters had, so they didn't really have a better view of things than anyone watching the game on TV.

 

I'm open to the idea that it may have been the right call, but from the one view they kept showing, it certainly looked like it should have been Purdue's ball.

 

i never saw the ball hit mccamey at all.

 

The original angle showed Johnson throw it off his leg. The only question I had was whether it then hit Johnson again before it landed out of bounds.

 

iirc, neither angle shows it actually hit mccamey, you just assume that it did. however, johnson's legs were all flailed out, so there's no way to be sure. even if it goes back to purdue, they were still down.

[rchap24]

I think Illinois won last night because they took extremely good care of the ball and did a great job on Hummel defensively. Both of those occurrences had a lot to do with Chester Frazier.

 

I agree...for some reason this year Hummel is looking way to cautious. He only took 7 shots...He needs to be taking at least 10-12 a game. It's like he gets someone on him who's playing good D on him and then he's just scared to shoot...Because Duke played great D on him when we lost to them and he only shot maybe 4 shots in the first half against them and then at the end of the game he started to try to shoot more and scored some. Illinois definitely put a stop to him yesterday

[Magnetic Curses]

I think Illinois won last night because they took extremely good care of the ball and did a great job on Hummel defensively. Both of those occurrences had a lot to do with Chester Frazier.

 

kramer's still better.

[rchap24]

they showed the replay and it was the correct call, the announcers gushed about the call for like 5 minutes.

 

Just curious, but did they show a different angle of that play? Everytime I saw the replay, it was from the original angle, from which it looked like it should have been Purdue's ball. That is pretty much the same angle the broadcasters had, so they didn't really have a better view of things than anyone watching the game on TV.

 

I'm open to the idea that it may have been the right call, but from the one view they kept showing, it certainly looked like it should have been Purdue's ball.

 

i never saw the ball hit mccamey at all.

 

The original angle showed Johnson throw it off his leg. The only question I had was whether it then hit Johnson again before it landed out of bounds.

 

iirc, neither angle shows it actually hit mccamey, you just assume that it did. however, johnson's legs were all flailed out, so there's no way to be sure. even if it goes back to purdue, they were still down.

 

Well either there was backspin on the ball or it hit off of him....However like you said and we agreed that it could have hit Johnson's leg after it hit McCamey....And again I wasn't saying that U of I didn't deserve to win you played a better game than us and deserved to win that game...All I was saying was we shot badly at the free throw line

[rchap24]

I think Illinois won last night because they took extremely good care of the ball and did a great job on Hummel defensively. Both of those occurrences had a lot to do with Chester Frazier.

 

kramer's still better.

 

And he is, but that's besides the point

[Magnetic Curses]

I think Illinois won last night because they took extremely good care of the ball and did a great job on Hummel defensively. Both of those occurrences had a lot to do with Chester Frazier.

 

kramer's still better.

 

And he is, but that's besides the point

 

yeah, not so much.

[rchap24]

I think Illinois won last night because they took extremely good care of the ball and did a great job on Hummel defensively. Both of those occurrences had a lot to do with Chester Frazier.

 

kramer's still better.

 

And he is, but that's besides the point

 

yeah, not so much.

 

in what way is Chester Frazier a better player than Kramer? Are you seriously going to try to argue about this?

[NeifiIsMyHomeBoy]

I think Illinois won last night because they took extremely good care of the ball and did a great job on Hummel defensively. Both of those occurrences had a lot to do with Chester Frazier.

 

kramer's still better.

 

And he is, but that's besides the point

 

I'd just like to point out that Chester has been playing hurt for four years. I don't think he has ever been 100% healthy for any game. He is a warrior and I am glad the fan base is finally embracing him. I really like Kramer's game also, what is the latest on his injury, Purdue is not the same without him. I also read that Hummel is banged up, anyone have news on that?

[NeifiIsMyHomeBoy]

I think Illinois won last night because they took extremely good care of the ball and did a great job on Hummel defensively. Both of those occurrences had a lot to do with Chester Frazier.

 

kramer's still better.

 

And he is, but that's besides the point

 

yeah, not so much.

 

in what way is Chester Frazier a better player than Kramer? Are you seriously going to try to argue about this?

 

Rebounding and distributing the ball. Chester is also a great leader. I like Kramer's d better though. We have already had this argument at least once this year.

[rchap24]

I think Illinois won last night because they took extremely good care of the ball and did a great job on Hummel defensively. Both of those occurrences had a lot to do with Chester Frazier.

 

kramer's still better.

 

And he is, but that's besides the point

 

I'd just like to point out that Chester has been playing hurt for four years. I don't think he has ever been 100% healthy for any game. He is a warrior and I am glad the fan base is finally embracing him. I really like Kramer's game also, what is the latest on his injury, Purdue is not the same without him. I also read that Hummel is banged up, anyone have news on that?

 

I'm not ripping Frasier, because he's like a little ball of lighting and gives his all, but talent wise and production wise Kramer is a better player. So don't get me wrong Frasier is a nice addition to any team

 

Kramer supposedly sat out the Valparaiso game with a sprained ankle...He looked alright for most of the game yesterday, but after the Tisdale foul he looked like he re-twisted it a little bit. So I think it was just a nagging ankle injury

 

Hummel had done something to his shoulder earlier this year, but at least from what I know he's been reasonably healthy the last few games

[apete6]

Any chance we could get an Illini only college basketball thread?

[fromthestretch]

I think Illinois won last night because they took extremely good care of the ball and did a great job on Hummel defensively. Both of those occurrences had a lot to do with Chester Frazier.

 

That pretty much sums it up. Purdue is a team that forces a lot of turnovers, and Illinois did a fantastic job taking care of the ball.

[rchap24]

I think Illinois won last night because they took extremely good care of the ball and did a great job on Hummel defensively. Both of those occurrences had a lot to do with Chester Frazier.

 

kramer's still better.

 

And he is, but that's besides the point

 

yeah, not so much.

 

in what way is Chester Frazier a better player than Kramer? Are you seriously going to try to argue about this?

 

Rebounding and distributing the ball. Chester is also a great leader. I like Kramer's d better though. We have already had this argument at least once this year.

 

Ok this is besides the point, but don't know if anyone watched this game two years ago, but there was a game where Painter actually had our defense not guard him. He would pull everyone off of him if he was 10ft or farther....and it was funny because at the time and I know he's gotten better shooting wise, but he was such a bad shooter than that he would look over to Weber to see if he should shoot and about half the time Weber wouldn't let him....Frasier has made many improvements though and I do agree that Frasier is a better passer and is a great leader as well

[rchap24]

I think Illinois won last night because they took extremely good care of the ball and did a great job on Hummel defensively. Both of those occurrences had a lot to do with Chester Frazier.

 

That pretty much sums it up. Purdue is a team that forces a lot of turnovers, and Illinois did a fantastic job taking care of the ball.

 

Agreed you guys were averaging like 14 turnovers a game and at one point you only had 4 it may have been like 2 or 3 more by the end of the game, but regardless that's very impressive