Mets fire Willie

[Guest]

Peterson > Rothschild.

 

What Tim said, get him in the system somehow.

[davearm2]

Why hasn't there been talk of Jim Leyland and his job security? There isn't much difference between Leyland and Randolph besides Leyland's reputation. The Tigers are playing worse than the Mets (Not the last couple of games) and they had higher expectations.

 

Leyland didn't trade for Willis. And Detroiters have bigger concerns than Tigers baseball.

So if I understand you correctly here, a manager's job security is negatively correlated with the quality of life in the city he manages?

[brinoch]

They fired Rick Peterson too.

 

Let's hire him as a pitching mechanics or bullpen or throwing or batting practice coach. Or any coach, really.

[sneakypower]

he'd fix Hill in 10 minutes

[chuckywang]

For high comedy, tune into the Mets press conference today.

[Soul]

Wow, way to turn a firing into a nuclear incident Minaya :roll:

[bhogg]

I loved how Minaya said that the mets' poor play was not Willie's fault.

 

brilliant.

[Soul]

I loved how Minaya said that the mets' poor play was not Willie's fault.

 

brilliant.

 

Haha. "The poor play isn't his fault. But uh, I'm firing him anyway at 3am."

 

This is the guy that was once called one of the 5 best GMs in baseball.

[CubinNY]

I loved how Minaya said that the mets' poor play was not Willie's fault.

 

brilliant.

 

Haha. "The poor play isn't his fault. But uh, I'm firing him anyway at 3am."

 

This is the guy that was once called one of the 5 best GMs in baseball.

I'm guessing that this wasn't Omar's call.

 

Bad execution but for the right reasons though.

[Soul]

I loved how Minaya said that the mets' poor play was not Willie's fault.

 

brilliant.

 

Haha. "The poor play isn't his fault. But uh, I'm firing him anyway at 3am."

 

This is the guy that was once called one of the 5 best GMs in baseball.

I'm guessing that this wasn't Omar's call.

 

Bad execution but for the right reasons though.

 

I thought Omar said it was his call all the way, and ownership said the same. This was from blurbs I heard on the radio though, and I'm too lazy to look it up.

[jersey cubs fan]

I loved how Minaya said that the mets' poor play was not Willie's fault.

 

brilliant.

 

Haha. "The poor play isn't his fault. But uh, I'm firing him anyway at 3am."

 

This is the guy that was once called one of the 5 best GMs in baseball.

I'm guessing that this wasn't Omar's call.

 

Bad execution but for the right reasons though.

 

What are the reasons though? The Mets biggest problem is that all their very old injury prone players are either injured or completely not performing.

[CubinNY]

I loved how Minaya said that the mets' poor play was not Willie's fault.

 

brilliant.

 

Haha. "The poor play isn't his fault. But uh, I'm firing him anyway at 3am."

 

This is the guy that was once called one of the 5 best GMs in baseball.

I'm guessing that this wasn't Omar's call.

 

Bad execution but for the right reasons though.

 

What are the reasons though? The Mets biggest problem is that all their very old injury prone players are either injured or completely not performing.

A team cannot fire the players.

 

I don't think Willie is a particularly good manager.

[Soul]

A team cannot fire the players.

 

Sure ya can! It's just really hard to do quickly, and probably much more painful.

 

I was never all that impressed with Randolph either.

[jersey cubs fan]

I loved how Minaya said that the mets' poor play was not Willie's fault.

 

brilliant.

 

Haha. "The poor play isn't his fault. But uh, I'm firing him anyway at 3am."

 

This is the guy that was once called one of the 5 best GMs in baseball.

I'm guessing that this wasn't Omar's call.

 

Bad execution but for the right reasons though.

 

What are the reasons though? The Mets biggest problem is that all their very old injury prone players are either injured or completely not performing.

A team cannot fire the players.

 

I don't think Willie is a particularly good manager.

 

You can trade or release them. I don't think he's particularly good or bad. But I think the GM made some really bad decisions with some really old and injury prone players. I don't see Willie abusing talented young arms. The only argument I have heard is that the team looks flat or dysfunctional. I think they just look old and injured.

 

The free Metro paper listed 3 mistakes by Willie and Omar.

They are:

 

Willie - slow start to season because they "lacked energy to start season". Race comments. And "his young team lacked leadership last September and Randolph did nothing to push them into performing better."

 

That's gibberish, and that's the excuses I've been hearing as the reasons for his firing. He can't push them to perform better or add energy. He's a freaking manager.

[CubinNY]

I loved how Minaya said that the mets' poor play was not Willie's fault.

 

brilliant.

 

Haha. "The poor play isn't his fault. But uh, I'm firing him anyway at 3am."

 

This is the guy that was once called one of the 5 best GMs in baseball.

I'm guessing that this wasn't Omar's call.

 

Bad execution but for the right reasons though.

 

What are the reasons though? The Mets biggest problem is that all their very old injury prone players are either injured or completely not performing.

A team cannot fire the players.

 

I don't think Willie is a particularly good manager.

 

You can trade or release them. I don't think he's particularly good or bad. But I think the GM made some really bad decisions with some really old and injury prone players. I don't see Willie abusing talented young arms. The only argument I have heard is that the team looks flat or dysfunctional. I think they just look old and injured.

 

The free Metro paper listed 3 mistakes by Willie and Omar.

They are:

 

Willie - slow start to season because they "lacked energy to start season". Race comments. And "his young team lacked leadership last September and Randolph did nothing to push them into performing better."

 

That's gibberish, and that's the excuses I've been hearing as the reasons for his firing. He can't push them to perform better or add energy. He's a freaking manager.

I don't disagree with you. I also read where Omar is taking all the blame on the firing. I don't really buy that.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't disagree with you. I also read where Omar is taking all the blame on the firing. I don't really buy that.

 

The cynic in me assumes Omar made the decision to buy himself another couple years with a new manager. If he held onto Willie the rest of the year, the chances that both of them got the ax would have gone up considerably.

[Mugged By Fluffy]

I loved how Minaya said that the mets' poor play was not Willie's fault.

 

brilliant.

 

Haha. "The poor play isn't his fault. But uh, I'm firing him anyway at 3am."

 

This is the guy that was once called one of the 5 best GMs in baseball.

I'm guessing that this wasn't Omar's call.

 

Bad execution but for the right reasons though.

 

I thought Omar said it was his call all the way, and ownership said the same. This was from blurbs I heard on the radio though, and I'm too lazy to look it up.

 

I don't know, soul. Hard to believe it's Minaya's call to have done it this way. I mean...would you voluntarily fly clear across the country at the drop of a hat at the start of the road trip, meet with your manager after a game in the middle of the night to fire him, then take a nap and fly back to NY the next day?

 

This is dysfunctional thinking. It has Wilpon written all over it.

[Soul]

I loved how Minaya said that the mets' poor play was not Willie's fault.

 

brilliant.

 

Haha. "The poor play isn't his fault. But uh, I'm firing him anyway at 3am."

 

This is the guy that was once called one of the 5 best GMs in baseball.

I'm guessing that this wasn't Omar's call.

 

Bad execution but for the right reasons though.

 

I thought Omar said it was his call all the way, and ownership said the same. This was from blurbs I heard on the radio though, and I'm too lazy to look it up.

 

I don't know, soul. Hard to believe it's Minaya's call to have done it this way. I mean...would you voluntarily fly clear across the country at the drop of a hat at the start of the road trip, meet with your manager after a game in the middle of the night to fire him, then take a nap in then fly back to NY the next day?

 

This is dysfunctional thinking. It has Wilpon written all over it.

 

I'm just going by what the man said. I don't really know what actually went on behind the scenes. I know it's gullible, but I generally try to take people at their word until they show me that they can't be trusted to tell the truth. Then.........things change ;)

[Tarver]

Why hasn't there been talk of Jim Leyland and his job security? There isn't much difference between Leyland and Randolph besides Leyland's reputation. The Tigers are playing worse than the Mets (Not the last couple of games) and they had higher expectations.

 

Leyland didn't trade for Willis. And Detroiters have bigger concerns than Tigers baseball.

So if I understand you correctly here, a manager's job security is negatively correlated with the quality of life in the city he manages?

 

I was really just venting about Michigan. My comments weren't as objective as I'd like.

 

That said, there's no reason to compound a huge mistake like trading for Willis by giving him an extension, but that's not Leyland's fault.

[Tarver]

I loved how Minaya said that the mets' poor play was not Willie's fault.

 

brilliant.

 

Haha. "The poor play isn't his fault. But uh, I'm firing him anyway at 3am."

 

This is the guy that was once called one of the 5 best GMs in baseball.

I'm guessing that this wasn't Omar's call.

 

Bad execution but for the right reasons though.

 

What are the reasons though? The Mets biggest problem is that all their very old injury prone players are either injured or completely not performing.

A team cannot fire the players.

 

I don't think Willie is a particularly good manager.

 

You can trade or release them. I don't think he's particularly good or bad. But I think the GM made some really bad decisions with some really old and injury prone players. I don't see Willie abusing talented young arms. The only argument I have heard is that the team looks flat or dysfunctional. I think they just look old and injured.

 

The free Metro paper listed 3 mistakes by Willie and Omar.

They are:

 

Willie - slow start to season because they "lacked energy to start season". Race comments. And "his young team lacked leadership last September and Randolph did nothing to push them into performing better."

 

That's gibberish, and that's the excuses I've been hearing as the reasons for his firing. He can't push them to perform better or add energy. He's a freaking manager.

 

Agreed. Omar is the one who gave Pedro a contract two years too long, and expected a mummy like Alou to actually play the field. I don't remember Randolph making the same egregious mistakes like I see Guillen or Baker make on an everyday basis. He was scapegoated, pure and simple.

[Jehrico]

I loved how Minaya said that the mets' poor play was not Willie's fault.

 

brilliant.

 

Haha. "The poor play isn't his fault. But uh, I'm firing him anyway at 3am."

 

This is the guy that was once called one of the 5 best GMs in baseball.

I'm guessing that this wasn't Omar's call.

 

Bad execution but for the right reasons though.

 

What are the reasons though? The Mets biggest problem is that all their very old injury prone players are either injured or completely not performing.

A team cannot fire the players.

 

I don't think Willie is a particularly good manager.

 

You can trade or release them. I don't think he's particularly good or bad. But I think the GM made some really bad decisions with some really old and injury prone players. I don't see Willie abusing talented young arms. The only argument I have heard is that the team looks flat or dysfunctional. I think they just look old and injured.

 

The free Metro paper listed 3 mistakes by Willie and Omar.

They are:

 

Willie - slow start to season because they "lacked energy to start season". Race comments. And "his young team lacked leadership last September and Randolph did nothing to push them into performing better."

 

That's gibberish, and that's the excuses I've been hearing as the reasons for his firing. He can't push them to perform better or add energy. He's a freaking manager.

 

Agreed. Omar is the one who gave Pedro a contract two years too long, and expected a mummy like Alou to actually play the field. I don't remember Randolph making the same egregious mistakes like I see Guillen or Baker make on an everyday basis. He was scapegoated, pure and simple.

I don't know if I'd say he was scapegoated, but I would agree that I wouldn't put this all on him. I think his firing is kind of like Scott Skiles. He hasn't done anything really wrong, but the players aren't performing for him like they have in the past and are capable of. It's an old roster and he's not responsible for that, but it's time for the Mets to put someone else in charge to see if they can spark the team, like with Florida in '03. It was his time to go, but for reasons above and beyond how competently he performed his job.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't know if I'd say he was scapegoated, but I would agree that I wouldn't put this all on him. I think his firing is kind of like Scott Skiles. He hasn't done anything really wrong, but the players aren't performing for him like they have in the past and are capable of. It's an old roster and he's not responsible for that, but it's time for the Mets to put someone else in charge to see if they can spark the team, like with Florida in '03. It was his time to go, but for reasons above and beyond how competently he performed his job.

 

Cabrera and Willis sparked the Marlins, not McKeon. He did slow the rate of caught stealing, I believe, but it wasn't his spark that led to that team improving. Nor will it be the spark of Jerry Manuel that turns the Mets around.

[Jehrico]

I don't know if I'd say he was scapegoated, but I would agree that I wouldn't put this all on him. I think his firing is kind of like Scott Skiles. He hasn't done anything really wrong, but the players aren't performing for him like they have in the past and are capable of. It's an old roster and he's not responsible for that, but it's time for the Mets to put someone else in charge to see if they can spark the team, like with Florida in '03. It was his time to go, but for reasons above and beyond how competently he performed his job.

 

Cabrera and Willis sparked the Marlins, not McKeon. He did slow the rate of caught stealing, I believe, but it wasn't his spark that led to that team improving. Nor will it be the spark of Jerry Manuel that turns the Mets around.

I agree. What I meant, and didn't word so well, is that the Minaya may be looking at it from that perspective.

[Jon]

I'll have to post the daily show clip regarding Randolph's firing a little later. Good stuff.