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Most of the players on that list are from the late 20th century, when fouls didn't count as strikes. They should really only have players who played their whole careers post rule change on there.

 

Cubs total strikeouts per 10 years starting in 1915:

 

1915: 639

1925: 470

1935: 471

1946(skipping '45 since most players were essential scabs): 599

1955: 806

1965 (remember that the season is now 162 games instead of 154): 948

1975: 802

1985: 937

1995: 953

2005: 920

 

So, clearly folks strikeout at a much higher rate than they did in the older days, specifically in the pitching weak 1920's & 30's. I suspect that is due to a combination of better pitching & decreased plate discipline/change in batting technique.

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Henry Louis Aaron: 1957 Most Valuable Player, record 21 All-Star appearances.

 

162 Game Avg over 23 seasons: .305/.374/.555, 155 OPS+, 37 HR, 31 doubles, 5 triples, 113 RBI, 107 Runs

 

1st All-Time in Total Bases: 6856

1st in RBI: 2297

1st in Extra Base Hits: 1477

2nd* in HR: 755

2nd in Intentional Walks: 293

3rd in Hits: 3771

4th in Runs: 2174

10th in Doubles: 624

 

photos inside spoiler tag

 

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http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/hank2.jpg

 

1957 Cy Young & MVP winners on same team with Warren Spahn:

 

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http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/hank16.jpg

 

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Mickey Charles Mantle aka The Commerce Comet, The Mick: AL MVP '56, '57, & '62

The Greatest Switch Hitter of All-Time

 

162 Game Avg: .298/.421/.557, 172 OPS+, 36 HR, 23 Doubles, 5 Triples, 102 RBI, 113 Runs, 117 Walks

 

photos inside spoiler

 

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http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/mickeyleft-1.gif

 

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/mick7.jpg

 

First at bat in the bigs....against Bob Feller!

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/mick5.jpg

 

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/mick2.jpg

 

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/mick8.jpg

 

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/mick4.jpg

 

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http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/mick17.jpg

 

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/mick15.jpg

 

Mickey destroying his knee while DiMaggio looks on:

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/mick12.jpg

 

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/mick13.jpg

 

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/mick9.jpg

 

Mickey was known as a very aggressive baserunner:

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/mick14.jpg

 

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/mick16.jpg

 

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/mick19.jpg

 

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/mick1.jpg

 

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/mick11.jpg

 

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/mick3-1.jpg

 

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/mick4-1.jpg

 

Mickey hit some of the most powerful home runs in history, including the current record holder:

 

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/mick3.jpg

 

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/mick6.jpg

 

Video footage of Mickey Mantle playing that I put together. The BLAST that went off the top of the grandstand is at 1:12 in the clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvAHj9MHa4c

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Melvin Thomas Ott aka Master Melvin

 

- Smallest member of the 500 HR club (5'7) and probably the best player to never win an MVP.

 

162 Game Avg: .304/.414/.533, 155 OPS+, 30 HR, 29 Doubles, 4 Triples, 110 RBI, 110 Runs, 101 Walks

 

Career stats: 511 HR, 2876 hits, 1860 RBI, 1859 Runs, 488 Doubles, 72 Triples

 

Ott is perhaps best known for his incredibly unique batting stance and swing:

 

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http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/4425/ottgiffj9.gif

 

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http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/ott6.jpg

 

 

Video footage of Ott playing ball:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl9GuPmrSMI

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Rogers Hornsby aka Rajah: MVP '25 & '29

 

- The best right handed hitter of all time. Hornsby batted over .400 in three different seasons, including an astonishing .424 in 1924 (a year in which he came in SECOND in MVP voting!!)

 

162 Game Avg: .358/.434/.577, 175 OPS+, 22 HR, 39 Doubles, 12 Triples, 114 RBI, 113 Runs

 

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http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/rog7.jpg

 

With Hack Wilson, Al Simmons, & Jimmie Foxx:

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/rog12.jpg

 

With Ernie Banks:

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/rog1.jpg

 

 

Video footage of Hornsby:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14i7FcVH0wM

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During the game chat tonight, TruffleShuffle and myself (as the resident Baseball History nerds) came up with an All-Douchebag Team. To qualify they obviously had to be big D-bags and also be very, very good players as well.

 

Manager: John McGraw

 

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/dbag10.jpg

 

Pitcher: Roger Clemens

 

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/dbag1.jpg

 

Catcher: Thurman Munson

 

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/dbag2.jpg

 

1st Base: Cap Anson

 

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/dbag3.jpg

 

2nd Base: Rogers Hornsby

 

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/dbag4.jpg

 

3rd Base: Mike Schmidt

 

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/dbag5.jpg

 

Shortstop: Maury Wills

 

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Left Field: Barry Bonds

 

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Center Field: Ty Cobb

 

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/dbag8-1.jpg

 

Right Field: Reggie Jackson

 

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/dbag9.jpg

 

Utility Player: Pete Rose

 

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During the game chat tonight, TruffleShuffle and myself (as the resident Baseball History nerds) came up with an All-Douchebag Team. To qualify they obviously had to be big D-bags and also be very, very good players as well.

 

Manager: John McGraw

 

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/dbag10.jpg

 

Pitcher: Roger Clemens

 

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/dbag1.jpg

 

Catcher: Thurman Munson

 

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/dbag2.jpg

 

1st Base: Cap Anson

 

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/dbag3.jpg

 

2nd Base: Rogers Hornsby

 

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/dbag4.jpg

 

3rd Base: Mike Schmidt

 

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/dbag5.jpg

 

Shortstop: Maury Wills

 

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/dbag6.jpg

 

Left Field: Barry Bonds

 

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/dbag7.jpg

 

Center Field: Ty Cobb

 

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/dbag8-1.jpg

 

Right Field: Reggie Jackson

 

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/dbag9.jpg

 

Utility Player: Pete Rose

 

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/dbag11.jpg

 

 

While you could easily come up with a better team from all the all time greats, what's sad is that there are people that wouldn't want this team, playing as the Cubs, because of these guys being D-Bags.

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http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/4425/ottgiffj9.gif

 

Wow, that's amazing :shock:

 

2800+ hits and 500+ HR with that swing.

 

Try and wrap your head around this one: When Hank Aaron first came up to the big leagues, he was hitting cross-handed, with his left hand above his right hand. Most folks attribute his unbelievably quick wrists to that fact.

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amazing that Rickey Henderson and Jose Canseco didn't make your all d-bag team.

 

They were on the B team actually. I mean, Rickey played CF and LF. Was he a bigger D-bag than Cobb or Bonds? Hells no. Perhaps Jose could challenge Reggie in RF though.

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amazing that Rickey Henderson and Jose Canseco didn't make your all d-bag team.

 

They were on the B team actually. I mean, Rickey played CF and LF. Was he a bigger D-bag than Cobb or Bonds? Hells no. Perhaps Jose could challenge Reggie in RF though.

 

Albert Belle can DH. I don't know about Thurman Munson's past too much, but is he a bigger D-bag than AJ Pirezalbphabet?

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amazing that Rickey Henderson and Jose Canseco didn't make your all d-bag team.

 

They were on the B team actually. I mean, Rickey played CF and LF. Was he a bigger D-bag than Cobb or Bonds? Hells no. Perhaps Jose could challenge Reggie in RF though.

 

Albert Belle can DH. I don't know about Thurman Munson's past too much, but is he a bigger D-bag than AJ Pirezalbphabet?

 

First requirement was that the person has to be very good. Munson was much better than AJ. Bill James has Munson as the 14th best catcher in history. Munson didn't live past 32 and had 8 seasons with a WARP3 above 6.0. AJ has only done that twice.

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Great photo from a Negro League game between the Pittsburgh Crawdads and Chicago's Elite Giants, taken at Comiskey Park, August 23, 1936.

The ones I can make out are Oscar Charleston (kneeling far left), Cool Papa Bell (standing third from left), Smokey Joe Williams (kneeling fourth from left), Judy Johnson (sitting second from left), Satchel Paige (standing seventh from left), Josh Gibson (standing ninth from left), and Ted Page (standing second from right).

 

photo inside spoiler

 

http://www.baseball-fever.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=51723&stc=1&d=1221424271

 

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I came across this quote from Ted Williams' book that I thought was neat:

 

I always envied guys like Mays and Mantle who might get thirty or thirty-five infield hits a year without any sweat while I was puffing for my ten. Mantle got forty-eight leg hits the year he hit .365. That kind of speed does things for you: It forces the opposition to play you a littler shorter at third base, a littler shorter at first. They've got to be faster making a play, they've got to worry about being faster. Lou Brock was a hell of a base runner, half again as effective because he got the pitcher and the catcher and the rest of the infield all on edge worrying about him stealing a base.

 

-Ted Williams, My Turn at Bat

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Ty Cobb's Relative BA stats

 

1906 - 1.26% - 6th place

1907 - 1.41% - 1st place

1908 - 1.35% - 1st place

1909 - 1.54% - 1st place

1910 - 1.58% - 1st place

1911 - 1.53% - 1st place

1912 - 1.54% - 1st place

1913 - 1.51% - 1st place

1914 - 1.48% - 1st place

1915 - 1.48% - 1st place

1916 - 1.55% - 2nd place

1917 - 1.54% - 1st place

1918 - 1.50% - 1st place

1919 - 1.43% - 1st place

1920 - 1.17% - 10th place

1921 - 1.33% - 2nd place

1922 - 1.40% - 2nd place

1923 - 1.20% - 8th place

1924 - 1.16% - 11th place

1925 - 1.29% - 4th place

1926 - 1.20% - 11th place

1927 - 1.25% - 5th place

1928 - 1.14% - 13th place

 

I'd like to see one for relative slugging for Babe Ruth's career.

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Two things...

 

1) Hack Wilson is a goofy looking guy.

 

2) How the hell does The Rocket get on the all-douchebag team over Carl Mays?

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2) How the hell does The Rocket get on the all-douchebag team over Carl Mays?

 

Clemens is much, much better than Mays was. 120 ERA+ vs. Clemens' 143 career ERA+. Then again...Mays did kill a guy with a beanball.

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2) How the hell does The Rocket get on the all-douchebag team over Carl Mays?

 

Clemens is much, much better than Mays was. 120 ERA+ vs. Clemens' 143 career ERA+. Then again...Mays did kill a guy with a beanball.

 

Exactly.

 

Mays is a 220 DBF+ guy (Douchebag Factor), Clemens is just a 140 DBF+ or so. That more than outweighs their relative success on the field.

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Napoleon Larry Lajoie, Second Baseman

 

162 Game Avg over 21 seasons: .338/.380/.467, 150 OPS+, 5 HR, 43 Doubles, 11 Triples, 104 RBI, 98 Runs, 25 Stolen Bases

 

Best season: .426/.463/.643, 200 OPS+, 14 HR, 48 Doubles, 14 Triples, 125 RBI, 145 Runs, 27 Stolen Bases

 

Napoleon Lajoie has the distinction of being the only major leaguer to have a team named after him, WHILE he was still on it. In 1903, the Cleveland Broncos changed their name to the Cleveland Naps. It wasn't until 1915 that they became known as the Cleveland Indians.

 

Photos inside Spoiler:

 

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/nap8.jpg

 

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/nap6.jpg

 

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/nap7.jpg

 

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/nap5.jpg

 

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/nap2.jpg

 

With Cleveland teammates:

 

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/nap9.jpg

 

With his great rival Ty Cobb:

 

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/nap4.jpg

 

WTF??

 

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/nap3.jpg

 

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