Looking Toward July: Possible Trade Targets

[Jehrico]

Tentative or not, they weren't saying no.

 

Sabean fully acknowledged the Lincecum-Rios talks in the mlb.com article linked above.

 

Never said the Giants wouldn't consider trading him but Rios was an all-star in 2007 and the Giants wouldn't bite.

 

Why would the Giants trade (as previously proposed) one of their stud pitcher whose contract they control for six years for two minor leaguers (Pie and Murton), an overpriced bum (Marquis) and a significant downgrade (Marshall)?

I don't recall suggesting that they would.

 

The point is, the poster who earlier characterized the notion that Lincecum might be available as "comical" is just flat out wrong.

 

If Lincecum was indeed untouchable, then the discussions with the Blue Jays wouldn't have lasted 60 seconds, and the media would never have gotten wind of any of this.

Also, Rios may have made the all-star team in 2007, but I don't know that I'd characterize him as an all-star talent. Robert Fick and Matt Lawton were both all-stars in recent years. A single all-star appearance doesn't necessarily mean much. Rios is a nice 20-25 hr, 80+ RBI, .350 OBP outfielder at his best, but most certainly not even close to being worth a premium young arm like Lincecum.

[Backtobanks]

If the Mets continue to suck, how about going all out for Maine. I know they wouldn't want to trade him, but it doesn't hurt to ask. They might decide to raise the white flag and start over.

 

Marquis, Gallagher/Marshall, Murton, Hoffpaur for Maine. If they want more, possibly add a player from Veal, Hart, and Patterson. The Mets need to get younger offensively and this deal would give them Murton to replace Alou and Hoffpaur to replace Delgado. Possibly they could trade Alou and/or Delgado by eating most of their contracts and picking up low level prospects in return.

 

Rotation: Zambrano, Maine, Lilly, Dempster, and Hill with Lieber, Gallagher/Marshall, and possibly Hart as backups.

[santoforhall]

Do you think Pittsburgh would entertain a trade for Nate Mclouth? He'd be a nice LH bat that JH wants for centerfield and he's been raking this year. What would it take to pry him away from Pittsburgh?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Do you think Pittsburgh would entertain a trade for Nate Mclouth? He'd be a nice LH bat that JH wants for centerfield and he's been raking this year. What would it take to pry him away from Pittsburgh?

 

He's not expensive yet and is only 26. I can't think of why the Pirates would trade him unless we blew them away with an offer.

[shnsajax]

Hopefully by July we will see a lot more separation than what is going on right now. Can see a lot of teams not wanting to become sellers that probably should be.

[Amazing_Grace]

Do you think Pittsburgh would entertain a trade for Nate Mclouth? He'd be a nice LH bat that JH wants for centerfield and he's been raking this year. What would it take to pry him away from Pittsburgh?

 

He's not expensive yet and is only 26. I can't think of why the Pirates would trade him unless we blew them away with an offer.

 

They have a CF prospect who is only 22 and putting up an .871 OPS so far this year in AAA. They might deal McLouth if they got a good enough offer. Whether the Cubs can or should make that offer, I don't know. I doubt the Pirates would be interested in Pie at all for the same reason they might trade McLouth. Add in the fact that the Pirates and their fans are probably still kicking themselves for the Ramirez trade, and my guess would be that the Cubs offer would have to start with Hill and Cedeno to even be considered.

[The Voice of Reason]

Tentative or not, they weren't saying no.

 

Sabean fully acknowledged the Lincecum-Rios talks in the mlb.com article linked above.

 

Never said the Giants wouldn't consider trading him but Rios was an all-star in 2007 and the Giants wouldn't bite.

 

Why would the Giants trade (as previously proposed) one of their stud pitcher whose contract they control for six years for two minor leaguers (Pie and Murton), an overpriced bum (Marquis) and a significant downgrade (Marshall)?

I don't recall suggesting that they would.

 

The point is, the poster who earlier characterized the notion that Lincecum might be available as "comical" is just flat out wrong.

 

If Lincecum was indeed untouchable, then the discussions with the Blue Jays wouldn't have lasted 60 seconds, and the media would never have gotten wind of any of this.

Also, Rios may have made the all-star team in 2007, but I don't know that I'd characterize him as an all-star talent. Robert Fick and Matt Lawton were both all-stars in recent years. A single all-star appearance doesn't necessarily mean much. Rios is a nice 20-25 hr, 80+ RBI, .350 OBP outfielder at his best, but most certainly not even close to being worth a premium young arm like Lincecum.

 

Neither are Pie, Marquis, Murton and Marshall.

[Jehrico]

Tentative or not, they weren't saying no.

 

Sabean fully acknowledged the Lincecum-Rios talks in the mlb.com article linked above.

 

Never said the Giants wouldn't consider trading him but Rios was an all-star in 2007 and the Giants wouldn't bite.

 

Why would the Giants trade (as previously proposed) one of their stud pitcher whose contract they control for six years for two minor leaguers (Pie and Murton), an overpriced bum (Marquis) and a significant downgrade (Marshall)?

I don't recall suggesting that they would.

 

The point is, the poster who earlier characterized the notion that Lincecum might be available as "comical" is just flat out wrong.

 

If Lincecum was indeed untouchable, then the discussions with the Blue Jays wouldn't have lasted 60 seconds, and the media would never have gotten wind of any of this.

Also, Rios may have made the all-star team in 2007, but I don't know that I'd characterize him as an all-star talent. Robert Fick and Matt Lawton were both all-stars in recent years. A single all-star appearance doesn't necessarily mean much. Rios is a nice 20-25 hr, 80+ RBI, .350 OBP outfielder at his best, but most certainly not even close to being worth a premium young arm like Lincecum.

 

Neither are Pie, Marquis, Murton and Marshall.

Pie's ceiling is considerably higher than Rios, IMO, and has had an overall more impressive minor league career than Rios despite being a much rougher project when coming into the pros. Marshall is looking like he reasonably could be expected to be a solid #3 or #4 in the league, which would be worth Rios alone in this day and age when there's never enough good pitching available. Murton is nice filler, who could provide Rios's average numbers in his best year. Marquis would be simple filler for someone who had no in house options left for a #5, or someone who had a pitching coach foolish enough to think he could get through to him after Mazzone, Duncan, and Rothschild couldn't.