We won't win with Wood

[Irrelevant Dude]

And he is only hitting 98 on the gun. :grin:

 

In the old days, you weren't a real closer unless you could throw at least 115 mph.

I hold everyone against the Juan Berenger standard, 103 MPH in RBI Baseball.

[badger1679666666]

Woody's shamalicious numbers so far:

 

34.3 IP

2.62 ERA

167 ERA+

.816 WHIP

21 Hits

1 HR

40 K's

7 BB's

10.49 K/9

5.71 K/BB

.178/.258/.271/.525 (overall)

.118/.250/.176/.426 (2 outs, RISP)

.171/.281/.280/.561 (late and close)

.676 OPS against (High Leverage)

.501 OPS against (Medium Leverage)

.333 OPS against (Low Leverage)

[TruffleShuffle]

6 HBP

[badger1679666666]

6 HBP

 

Fine give him 11 BB's because the 7 include 2 IBB.

 

40/11 is still fantastic when you have Woody's stuff.

[Brian]

I bet he wanted to go into the game tonight with the 5 run lead because that's the only time he's any good.

[Derwood]

sham or not, i can't believe this is his 11th year in the league. Damn I'm old

[waffle]

I understand everyone's anxiety around woody, but Heck, he's been just fine so far.

 

If he gets injured, we'll hear lots of "I told you so." Fine.

 

At this point he has been a very respectable example of a closer.

[CubmanPi]

I understand everyone's anxiety around woody, but Heck, he's been just fine so far.

 

If he gets injured, we'll hear lots of "I told you so." Fine.

 

At this point he has been a very respectable exshample of a closer.

[Magnetic Curses]

move him to the rotation next year, marmol will want to close, eclusively, even though he's more valuable in his current role.

[abuck1220]

move him to the rotation next year, marmol will want to close, eclusively, even though he's more valuable in his current role.

 

if you're moving one of them to the rotation, it should be marmol.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

move him to the rotation next year, marmol will want to close, eclusively, even though he's more valuable in his current role.

 

You've got it backwards. Keep Wood healthy in the pen, move Marmol to the rotation.

[Derwood]

i still don't buy marmol in the rotation. his effectiveness in the pen is his ability to just let it fly for an inning. if he has to pace himself, his stuff isn't nearly as electric, and two pitches won't get him through a batting order 3 times

[Transmogrified Tiger]

i still don't buy marmol in the rotation. his effectiveness in the pen is his ability to just let it fly for an inning. if he has to pace himself, his stuff isn't nearly as electric, and two pitches won't get him through a batting order 3 times

 

Look at his minor league success. He was very, very, very good as a starter.

[Derwood]

i still don't buy marmol in the rotation. his effectiveness in the pen is his ability to just let it fly for an inning. if he has to pace himself, his stuff isn't nearly as electric, and two pitches won't get him through a batting order 3 times

 

Look at his minor league success. He was very, very, very good as a starter.

 

sure, so was Pie. just saying that he's probably the best reliever in the game right now. no reason to rock that boat

[abuck1220]

i still don't buy marmol in the rotation. his effectiveness in the pen is his ability to just let it fly for an inning. if he has to pace himself, his stuff isn't nearly as electric, and two pitches won't get him through a batting order 3 times

 

says who?

[Derwood]

i still don't buy marmol in the rotation. his effectiveness in the pen is his ability to just let it fly for an inning. if he has to pace himself, his stuff isn't nearly as electric, and two pitches won't get him through a batting order 3 times

 

says who?

 

how many starting pitchers get by with 2 pitches?

[Soul]

i still don't buy marmol in the rotation. his effectiveness in the pen is his ability to just let it fly for an inning. if he has to pace himself, his stuff isn't nearly as electric, and two pitches won't get him through a batting order 3 times

 

Look at his minor league success. He was very, very, very good as a starter.

 

Show me who will get batters out reliably like Marmol in the 8th inning, and I'll support a move to the rotation for him. It's not like Lou hasn't been trying to find someone else to help in that regard. Nobody on our current roster has been able to be as reliable in that role.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

i still don't buy marmol in the rotation. his effectiveness in the pen is his ability to just let it fly for an inning. if he has to pace himself, his stuff isn't nearly as electric, and two pitches won't get him through a batting order 3 times

 

Look at his minor league success. He was very, very, very good as a starter.

 

Show me who will get batters out reliably like Marmol in the 8th inning, and I'll support a move to the rotation for him. It's not like Lou hasn't been trying to find someone else to help in that regard. Nobody on our current roster has been able to be as reliable in that role.

 

You understand we're talking about '09, right? Guys pop up and become good to great relievers all the time. Marmol and Wuertz are examples of this on our roster alone. Good to great starters do not come out of nowhere unless they're instructed by Dave Duncan, so it might be more efficient to use Marmol in the rotation.

 

And Marmol has a 3rd pitch, a changeup, that he doesn't need to use in the pen. It's not filthy, and still needs some refinement, but it's not as if he was a 2 pitch pitcher throughout the minors.

[Tyrant]

i still don't buy marmol in the rotation. his effectiveness in the pen is his ability to just let it fly for an inning. if he has to pace himself, his stuff isn't nearly as electric, and two pitches won't get him through a batting order 3 times

 

says who?

 

Derwood?

[Derwood]

i still don't buy marmol in the rotation. his effectiveness in the pen is his ability to just let it fly for an inning. if he has to pace himself, his stuff isn't nearly as electric, and two pitches won't get him through a batting order 3 times

 

says who?

 

Derwood?

 

someone had to

[Clem Fandango]

i still don't buy marmol in the rotation. his effectiveness in the pen is his ability to just let it fly for an inning. if he has to pace himself, his stuff isn't nearly as electric, and two pitches won't get him through a batting order 3 times

 

says who?

 

Derwood?

 

someone had to

 

We won't win with Derwood

[Soul]

i still don't buy marmol in the rotation. his effectiveness in the pen is his ability to just let it fly for an inning. if he has to pace himself, his stuff isn't nearly as electric, and two pitches won't get him through a batting order 3 times

 

Look at his minor league success. He was very, very, very good as a starter.

 

Show me who will get batters out reliably like Marmol in the 8th inning, and I'll support a move to the rotation for him. It's not like Lou hasn't been trying to find someone else to help in that regard. Nobody on our current roster has been able to be as reliable in that role.

 

You understand we're talking about '09, right? Guys pop up and become good to great relievers all the time. Marmol and Wuertz are examples of this on our roster alone. Good to great starters do not come out of nowhere unless they're instructed by Dave Duncan, so it might be more efficient to use Marmol in the rotation.

 

And Marmol has a 3rd pitch, a changeup, that he doesn't need to use in the pen. It's not filthy, and still needs some refinement, but it's not as if he was a 2 pitch pitcher throughout the minors.

 

No, I didn't understand you were talking about '09 :oops:

 

We better hire Dave Duncan just to be sure it works out :mrgreen:

[CubsGM]

i still don't buy marmol in the rotation. his effectiveness in the pen is his ability to just let it fly for an inning. if he has to pace himself, his stuff isn't nearly as electric, and two pitches won't get him through a batting order 3 times

 

says who?

 

how many starting pitchers get by with 2 pitches?

Rich Hi....

[CoolHandLuke]

i still don't buy marmol in the rotation. his effectiveness in the pen is his ability to just let it fly for an inning. if he has to pace himself, his stuff isn't nearly as electric, and two pitches won't get him through a batting order 3 times

 

says who?

 

Derwood?

 

someone had to

 

We won't win with Derwood

 

Sham poster.

[Magnetic Curses]

move him to the rotation next year, marmol will want to close, eclusively, even though he's more valuable in his current role.

 

You've got it backwards. Keep Wood healthy in the pen, move Marmol to the rotation.

 

i think either way, it works. one of them will have to be in the rotation, because they both can't close. at least, so says conventional wisdom.