Would you trade Soriano for J.D. Drew and Julio Lugo?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Soriano is a better player

based on what?

[CoolHandLuke]

Drew way to injury prone....I don't care if Soriano gets hurt, but Drew really hasn't been healthy his entire career. As for Lugo I think Cedeno/Theriot> way over him, please lets just trade for another starter or bullpen we don't need another hitter right now unless its Brian Roberts!

 

Drew's contract is off the books by 2011.

 

Soriano's contract is off the books by 2014.

 

Injury prone or not, Drew has a shorter contract, thus IMO would have more value to the Cubs, then a semi-productive healthy Soriano.

 

Soriano is a better player. Drew is statistically a pretty decent player, but we dont need another average outfield how will that help us out in anyway more than Soriano does?

 

I don't think anyone is really arguing that Drew is better than Soriano (which he may be, that's not really the point of the thread as I see it) rather they are arguing that saving about 20 million a year from 2012-2014 is worth whatever loss of production there is (although it's debatable that there would even be a loss of production).

 

Personally I feel that replacing Soriano with a more OBP-centric player would actually benefit the team, even if there is a pretty large decrease in power. Especially considering Soriano is put into the leadoff spot in the order.

[rchap24]

Drew way to injury prone....I don't care if Soriano gets hurt, but Drew really hasn't been healthy his entire career. As for Lugo I think Cedeno/Theriot> way over him, please lets just trade for another starter or bullpen we don't need another hitter right now unless its Brian Roberts!

 

Drew's contract is off the books by 2011.

 

Soriano's contract is off the books by 2014.

 

Injury prone or not, Drew has a shorter contract, thus IMO would have more value to the Cubs, then a semi-productive healthy Soriano.

 

Soriano is a better player. Drew is statistically a pretty decent player, but we dont need another average outfield how will that help us out in anyway more than Soriano does?

 

I don't think anyone is really arguing that Drew is better than Soriano (which he may be, that's not really the point of the thread as I see it) rather they are arguing that saving about 20 million a year from 2012-2014 is worth whatever loss of production there is (although it's debatable that there would even be a loss of production).

 

Personally I feel that replacing Soriano with a more OBP-centric player would actually benefit the team, even if there is a pretty large decrease in power. Especially considering Soriano is put into the leadoff spot in the order.

 

Yea I agree that that it would be cheaper to get Drew over Soriano, but what am I basing Soriano being better than Drew you ask? Umm probably because besides like 2 years in Drew's career hes either been hurt or has been an above average corner outfielder. I know Soriano has had injuries since hes been on the Cubs, but at full strength he has so much more to offer.

[CoolHandLuke]

Drew way to injury prone....I don't care if Soriano gets hurt, but Drew really hasn't been healthy his entire career. As for Lugo I think Cedeno/Theriot> way over him, please lets just trade for another starter or bullpen we don't need another hitter right now unless its Brian Roberts!

 

Drew's contract is off the books by 2011.

 

Soriano's contract is off the books by 2014.

 

Injury prone or not, Drew has a shorter contract, thus IMO would have more value to the Cubs, then a semi-productive healthy Soriano.

 

Soriano is a better player. Drew is statistically a pretty decent player, but we dont need another average outfield how will that help us out in anyway more than Soriano does?

 

I don't think anyone is really arguing that Drew is better than Soriano (which he may be, that's not really the point of the thread as I see it) rather they are arguing that saving about 20 million a year from 2012-2014 is worth whatever loss of production there is (although it's debatable that there would even be a loss of production).

 

Personally I feel that replacing Soriano with a more OBP-centric player would actually benefit the team, even if there is a pretty large decrease in power. Especially considering Soriano is put into the leadoff spot in the order.

 

Yea I agree that that it would be cheaper to get Drew over Soriano, but what am I basing Soriano being better than Drew you ask? Umm probably because besides like 2 years in Drew's career hes either been hurt or has been an above average corner outfielder. I know Soriano has had injuries since hes been on the Cubs, but at full strength he has so much more to offer.

 

What you typed here doesn't seem like a reply to what I said.

[Hacking Out Machine]

This depends on if the Soriano of 2006 in Washington is going to ever show up. You know, the one who would avoid swinging at a toaster thrown at the third baseman.... a far cry from the one who has been here, especially this year. At this point, if Sori is going to be the one guy in this lineup that hacks at everything offered, considering his contract, I'd give him away if the takers assumed the contract. JD Drew is certainly a better player than Soriano, and as for his fragility, I'd say it's not likely to be any worse than Soriano's given the gimpiness Alfonso's displayed.

[TruffleShuffle]

JD Drew is certainly a better player than Soriano

 

your definition of "certainly" is "certainly" very different than mine.

[Hacking Out Machine]

JD Drew is certainly a better player than Soriano

 

your definition of "certainly" is "certainly" very different than mine.

 

I'm guessing that you would say that my definition of "certainly" would equal your definition of "not".

[RedFlash]

 

Yea I agree that that it would be cheaper to get Drew over Soriano, but what am I basing Soriano being better than Drew you ask? Umm probably because besides like 2 years in Drew's career hes either been hurt or has been an above average corner outfielder. I know Soriano has had injuries since hes been on the Cubs, but at full strength he has so much more to offer.

 

If you put everything together, I wouldn't say Drew or Soriano is better then the other. Soriano's strength, or power and good speed is offset by his mediocre OBP. Drew's strength of good OBP, solid power, is offset by his injury history. So, no I don't see either player as being better then the other. Neither are superstars, heck, neither are Top 15 players in baseball, the difference Soriano is paid like a Top 5 player, when he isn't a Top 5 player. Give me the cheaper Drew over the "supposedly" better Soriano.

[nilodnayr]

No, especially since we no longer could use Lugo.

 

Serioiusly? After 3 weeks of the season we have changed our minds and Theriot is acceptable? There is no way that anyone can say that the past 20 games have changed anyones true talent. Thats ridiculous.

 

With Cedeno also on the roster, Lugo is not needed as much. I would do that trade, provided the Cubs could flip Lugo to another team.

 

Hey, I'm all for starting Ronny at SS permanently, but as we saw today hes behind Theriot on the depth chart.

We did not see that at all. What we did see is that, if they're both going to start, he likes Theriot at SS and Cedeno at 2B rather than the other way around.

 

If Theriot was playing once a week then I would agree with you, but hes not (since hes healthy). The last 3 games Theriots been at SS, Ronnys been at second. I guess we'll really see when theres only one spot for them (when Soriano comes back), but as of now I dont see how you can say that Ronny isnt behind Theriot on the depth chart. If he was ahead of him and Lou planned on using Ronny as the starting SS when Soriano came back, you'd think Lou would put him at SS more often than only when Theriot isnt available.

[wrigley23]

Soriano used to have good speed. He doesn't any longer.

[rchap24]

Drew way to injury prone....I don't care if Soriano gets hurt, but Drew really hasn't been healthy his entire career. As for Lugo I think Cedeno/Theriot> way over him, please lets just trade for another starter or bullpen we don't need another hitter right now unless its Brian Roberts!

 

Drew's contract is off the books by 2011.

 

Soriano's contract is off the books by 2014.

 

Injury prone or not, Drew has a shorter contract, thus IMO would have more value to the Cubs, then a semi-productive healthy Soriano.

 

Soriano is a better player. Drew is statistically a pretty decent player, but we dont need another average outfield how will that help us out in anyway more than Soriano does?

 

I don't think anyone is really arguing that Drew is better than Soriano (which he may be, that's not really the point of the thread as I see it) rather they are arguing that saving about 20 million a year from 2012-2014 is worth whatever loss of production there is (although it's debatable that there would even be a loss of production).

 

Personally I feel that replacing Soriano with a more OBP-centric player would actually benefit the team, even if there is a pretty large decrease in power. Especially considering Soriano is put into the leadoff spot in the order.

 

Yea I agree that that it would be cheaper to get Drew over Soriano, but what am I basing Soriano being better than Drew you ask? Umm probably because besides like 2 years in Drew's career hes either been hurt or has been an above average corner outfielder. I know Soriano has had injuries since hes been on the Cubs, but at full strength he has so much more to offer.

 

What you typed here doesn't seem like a reply to what I said.

 

Actually was agreeing with your point that Drew is cheaper for a shorter time, but I still think that the trade would not be intelligent cause Soriano is a better player. I don't feel like trading one of our best players if it's just to get a guy who a little worse than him and a little cheaper.

[CoolHandLuke]

I would very gladly take the potentially lesser production of Drew, because from 2012-2014 I want 18 million dollars per year to spend on premium talent instead of using it to pay for a 36,37 and 38 year old Soriano.

[CubColtPacer]

I would very gladly take the potentially lesser production of Drew, because from 2012-2014 I want 18 million dollars per year to spend on premium talent instead of using it to pay for a 36,37 and 38 year old Soriano.

 

Of course you have to add in that you have 5 million dollars less each year to spend in 2009, 2010, and 2011 (2011 as long as Lugo's option vests, which he is on pace to do). Considering those are the years that the Cubs might have the biggest budget crunch (transition of ownership change+other big contracts that run through those years that likely won't be renewed after that), that should be an important consideration.

 

Personally, I feel the Cubs best window is the next couple of years, so I'd rather take what I think is the better production (Soriano) and the best financial flexibility for the next few years (also Soriano) rather than the shorter contracts.