What about Bonds?

[Schwarber Fan]

I'm down. At this point, who gives a damn? Although it would probably have to be Soriano moving to center rather than Fukudome.

 

Let's sign Clemens in June also. He can take over for Marquis/Dempster.

 

Hell, I would sign Hitler to play SS if he had more game than Theriot.

 

We haven't won a WS in 100 years, I don't care who we have to hire or pay to make it happen. Seriously. If we fielded a team of roid taking, wife beating alcoholics and won the WS, I would still buy thousands of dollars in merchandise and not feel bad about it.

 

I think I'd feel a little uneasy if Hitler were on the team

 

Steve Stone would never come back.

 

Nor would Sam Fuld or Jason Marquis and I would stop being a Cubs fan.

[MSG T]

I don't think Bonds' ego is going to allow him to take as small of a contract as teams are going to offer him. He thinks he's worth much more than he actually is.

 

He was worth that.

 

I find myself very much at odds with the philosophy that we should be concerned with winning at all costs. Some of us take our kids to see these games. That is the large part of the appeal to baseball. It is something that you can share with your son or daughter. While it is wrong of us to expect these players to be more than human, I would like them to set examples of fair play and good behavior. What those standards of behavior are will probably never be entirely clear, but they should exist. Hitler would be worth the price of winning??? That is just plain wrong.

 

 

As far as the Bonds thing, if they hadn't won in , say, 25 years, I'd agree with you, build it up and do it right. But we're talking 100 years here. My grandma was a Cubs fan, she died last fall at 96 years old and wasn't alive when they last won the WS. I don't want to go my lifetime without seeing the Cubs lift that trophy.

 

If it could be worked out, I'd say do it. Unfortunately Hendry won't even consider it. That's a shame.

 

 

As for Hitler, it was a joke to prove a point.

[apete6]

I don't think Bonds' ego is going to allow him to take as small of a contract as teams are going to offer him. He thinks he's worth much more than he actually is.

 

He was worth that.

 

I find myself very much at odds with the philosophy that we should be concerned with winning at all costs. Some of us take our kids to see these games. That is the large part of the appeal to baseball. It is something that you can share with your son or daughter. While it is wrong of us to expect these players to be more than human, I would like them to set examples of fair play and good behavior. What those standards of behavior are will probably never be entirely clear, but they should exist. Hitler would be worth the price of winning??? That is just plain wrong.

 

 

As far as the Bonds thing, if they hadn't won in , say, 25 years, I'd agree with you, build it up and do it right. But we're talking 100 years here. My grandma was a Cubs fan, she died last fall at 96 years old and wasn't alive when they last won the WS. I don't want to go my lifetime without seeing the Cubs lift that trophy.

 

If it could be worked out, I'd say do it. Unfortunately Hendry won't even consider it. That's a shame.

 

 

As for Hitler, it was a joke to prove a point.

 

Thank you for being a voice of reason. People need to get over this whole "baseball is pure and these guys are role models BS". Obviously Hitler was a joke to prove a point (thanks for being the only one who realizes this).

 

The Cubs have had several chances to win it with "likeable" guys in 1969, 1984, and 2003. Heck, even in 03, you had such outstanding people like Farnsworth & Sosa on the team, but that year, everyone was in love with the team and it was perfect. But, it didn't happen.

 

After sitting through those heartbreaks, I am ready to win a WS at pretty much any cost. So Bonds is a jerk and took steroids (allegedly), who cares? Many of you want Brian Roberts on the team and he (allegedly) took steroids. Would you not root for the Cubs if BR was on the team? I think not.

 

Were you not a fan of Mark Grace because he smoked and drank and nailed fat chicks as slumpbusters? Did you never root for Sosa because you thought he took steroids?

 

Look, I hate Bonds as much as anyone. He's a jerk to the media, doesn't really care about the fans, took steroids, and generally seems to be a world class d-bag. But, you know what? He can still hit and get on base like a machine. And if he could help the Cubs win a WS, who in the heck are we to be against that?

 

If its the end of October and Bonds hits a WS winning home run, would you really "take a stand" and not be cheering?

[cbbryan]

Our line-up would be amazing with Bonds in it. No doubt. How much can he play now though? He played 126 games last year and he'll be in 43 in May.

 

If he'd sign a one year deal on the cheap he'd definately be of interest. The Cubs would have to move Soriano to CF and it wouldn't really allow you to trade Pie because it's not a long term commitment to Bonds.

 

It could be interesting.

[Chocolate Milk]

I know it won't happen, but it would be GREAT if it would.

 

Call me crazy but I wouldn't mind seeing a batter with a .480 OBP and 1.045 OPS added into the lineup.

[MSG T]

Our line-up would be amazing with Bonds in it. No doubt. How much can he play now though? He played 126 games last year and he'll be in 43 in May.

 

If he'd sign a one year deal on the cheap he'd definately be of interest. The Cubs would have to move Soriano to CF and it wouldn't really allow you to trade Pie because it's not a long term commitment to Bonds.

 

It could be interesting.

 

Sign him and platoon him with Murton? Get Barry 110-120 games. Murton gets 40-50 in LF, plus another 30-40 in normal 4th OF use. Barry gets roughly 450 PA's and Murton gets roughly 300-350 PA's( a good % against LHP). The offense that OF would provide would be incredible.

 

Since were in Fantasyland already, don't get Roberts and instead work a deal involving Murton to the Pads and get Greene. If they have Pie still, between CF and LF, use him against RHP( since Bonds hits LHP way better than Felix), and he should put up decent numbers. Then throw in Greene destroying the numbers Theriot will put up, and you still have a fantastic offense.

 

 

OK, I'll now return to wondering what the Cubs will do at mid-season when Theriot does suck, Pie might suck, Murton and Cedeno are gone, DeRo is stuck on the bench and they are wondering who they can get since Marquis sucks, Dempster is hurt, Gallagher is pitching great in Baltimore and Marshall is being ignored.

[cubbyvirus00]

I'm down. At this point, who gives a damn? Although it would probably have to be Soriano moving to center rather than Fukudome.

 

Let's sign Clemens in June also. He can take over for Marquis/Dempster.

 

Hell, I would sign Hitler to play SS if he had more game than Theriot.

 

We haven't won a WS in 100 years, I don't care who we have to hire or pay to make it happen. Seriously. If we fielded a team of roid taking, wife beating alcoholics and won the WS, I would still buy thousands of dollars in merchandise and not feel bad about it.

 

This is the best post I've seen in a long time.

[CuseCubFan69]

I'm down. At this point, who gives a damn? Although it would probably have to be Soriano moving to center rather than Fukudome.

 

Let's sign Clemens in June also. He can take over for Marquis/Dempster.

 

Hell, I would sign Hitler to play SS if he had more game than Theriot.

 

We haven't won a WS in 100 years, I don't care who we have to hire or pay to make it happen. Seriously. If we fielded a team of roid taking, wife beating alcoholics and won the WS, I would still buy thousands of dollars in merchandise and not feel bad about it.

 

This is the best post I've seen in a long time.

 

So instead of the "Boys of Summer" they would be the "Boys of Brazil". For the 7th inning stretch the Cubs could play "Spring Time for Hitler". Then, the earth is destroyed after the Cubs win the World Series.

[apete6]

Then, the earth is destroyed after the Cubs win the World Series.

 

You think the earth would end right after the final out or would we have a night to celebrate?

 

If we get to celebrate, it might actually be worth it.

[TruffleShuffle]

no, bonds did not "allegedly" take steroids.

 

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/12/03/MNGGFA0UDU65.DTL

[Guest]

I don't think Bonds' ego is going to allow him to take as small of a contract as teams are going to offer him. He thinks he's worth much more than he actually is.

 

No, he's worth that. Teams just wont pay it.

 

How much does his defense take away from his offensive numbers?

[Irrelevant Dude]

I realize it would never happen, but I can't believe how many people are posting that they would support this move. I've waited my whole life for the Cubs to win a World Series, but not with players like Bonds who I can't root for. That would honestly take a lot of the enjoyment out of it for me. First it was Sosa, then Baker, and I don't want another guy like that who I don't feel good rooting for.

[Vanilla Ice]

Although agent Jeff Borris wasn't willing to say who might be interested in him, free agent Barry Bonds is not yet considering retirement.

 

"He is unequivocally not retiring," Borris told FOXSports.com. There's been no indication that anyone is interested in adding Bonds, even though he's still clearly one of the top-five hitters in baseball. The Mariners could be considered the favorites in the AL West if they added him as a DH and Erik Bedard to their rotation, but there's no way they'd do it. The rest of the AL contenders are pretty well set at DH, though the Indians could use him as a left fielder. His best hope is that the Padres come calling.

 

Can you imagine the comedy of Bonds trying to roam that outfield at Petco?

[Mephistopheles]

Although agent Jeff Borris wasn't willing to say who might be interested in him, free agent Barry Bonds is not yet considering retirement.

 

"He is unequivocally not retiring," Borris told FOXSports.com. There's been no indication that anyone is interested in adding Bonds, even though he's still clearly one of the top-five hitters in baseball. The Mariners could be considered the favorites in the AL West if they added him as a DH and Erik Bedard to their rotation, but there's no way they'd do it. The rest of the AL contenders are pretty well set at DH, though the Indians could use him as a left fielder. His best hope is that the Padres come calling.

 

Can you imagine the comedy of Bonds trying to roam that outfield at Petco?

 

jesus christ. just because a park is a pitchers park it does not mean it has a large outfield. petco's left field is smaller than sbc's.

[Sammy Sofa]

I realize it would never happen, but I can't believe how many people are posting that they would support this move. I've waited my whole life for the Cubs to win a World Series, but not with players like Bonds who I can't root for. That would honestly take a lot of the enjoyment out of it for me. First it was Sosa, then Baker, and I don't want another guy like that who I don't feel good rooting for.

 

Feel good?

 

Feh.

 

You'll be waiting forever.

[NCCubFan]

I realize it would never happen, but I can't believe how many people are posting that they would support this move. I've waited my whole life for the Cubs to win a World Series, but not with players like Bonds who I can't root for. That would honestly take a lot of the enjoyment out of it for me. First it was Sosa, then Baker, and I don't want another guy like that who I don't feel good rooting for.

I root for the TEAM more than individual players. Whoever will help the TEAM win the World Series is fine by me (I'm talking about the concept, not Barroids specifically). A century is WAY too long between championships. Beggars can't be choosers. I think most fans would care less if there are a few unlikeable players on the team when they finally win a title.

[cbbryan]

I realize it would never happen, but I can't believe how many people are posting that they would support this move. I've waited my whole life for the Cubs to win a World Series, but not with players like Bonds who I can't root for. That would honestly take a lot of the enjoyment out of it for me. First it was Sosa, then Baker, and I don't want another guy like that who I don't feel good rooting for.

 

 

Sosa? Other then his last year I never had a problem with him. He was a GREAT Cub and I have many fond memories of him. Baker............ he's not even a player. If the Cubs had performed vs Marlins in 2003 and actually won........ I wouldn't have cared a bit about Baker.

 

While I don't like Bonds I would hope for him to do well IF he played with the Cubs. It'll never happened anyway. It's too risky PR by the Cubs.

[TruffleShuffle]

I realize it would never happen, but I can't believe how many people are posting that they would support this move. I've waited my whole life for the Cubs to win a World Series, but not with players like Bonds who I can't root for. That would honestly take a lot of the enjoyment out of it for me. First it was Sosa, then Baker, and I don't want another guy like that who I don't feel good rooting for.

I root for the TEAM more than individual players. Whoever will help the TEAM win the World Series is fine by me (I'm talking about the concept, not Barroids specifically). A century is WAY too long between championships. Beggars can't be choosers. I think most fans would care less if there are a few unlikeable players on the team when they finally win a title.

 

i think everyone has their line for how "unlikeable" a guy can be before they don't want him on their team. i happen to draw the line before i get to barry bonds. he's a great player, but he's a complete dick, and i would have a hard time rooting for him.

[NCCubFan]

I realize it would never happen, but I can't believe how many people are posting that they would support this move. I've waited my whole life for the Cubs to win a World Series, but not with players like Bonds who I can't root for. That would honestly take a lot of the enjoyment out of it for me. First it was Sosa, then Baker, and I don't want another guy like that who I don't feel good rooting for.

I root for the TEAM more than individual players. Whoever will help the TEAM win the World Series is fine by me (I'm talking about the concept, not Barroids specifically). A century is WAY too long between championships. Beggars can't be choosers. I think most fans would care less if there are a few unlikeable players on the team when they finally win a title.

 

i think everyone has their line for how "unlikeable" a guy can be before they don't want him on their team. i happen to draw the line before i get to barry bonds. he's a great player, but he's a complete dick, and i would have a hard time rooting for him.

I'd have a hard time rooting for him personally too. What I meant is that, if a player helps the Cubs win, one can be happy with the outcome even if they don't care for the specific player.

[CuseCubFan69]

I realize it would never happen, but I can't believe how many people are posting that they would support this move. I've waited my whole life for the Cubs to win a World Series, but not with players like Bonds who I can't root for. That would honestly take a lot of the enjoyment out of it for me. First it was Sosa, then Baker, and I don't want another guy like that who I don't feel good rooting for.

I root for the TEAM more than individual players. Whoever will help the TEAM win the World Series is fine by me (I'm talking about the concept, not Barroids specifically). A century is WAY too long between championships. Beggars can't be choosers. I think most fans would care less if there are a few unlikeable players on the team when they finally win a title.

 

i think everyone has their line for how "unlikeable" a guy can be before they don't want him on their team. i happen to draw the line before i get to barry bonds. he's a great player, but he's a complete dick, and i would have a hard time rooting for him.

I'd have a hard time rooting for him personally too. What I meant is that, if a player helps the Cubs win, one can be happy with the outcome even if they don't care for the specific player.

 

Bonds being Bonds is one thing but the circus he would bring with him imo wouldn't be conducive in helping this team win. I just think the distractions/salary/injury risk/possible prison would outweigh the positives.

[BigbadB]

What are the odds that Bonds can request Joliet State Prison under the work release program?

[Quakers]

I don't think Bonds' ego is going to allow him to take as small of a contract as teams are going to offer him. He thinks he's worth much more than he actually is.

 

He was worth that.

 

I find myself very much at odds with the philosophy that we should be concerned with winning at all costs. Some of us take our kids to see these games. That is the large part of the appeal to baseball. It is something that you can share with your son or daughter. While it is wrong of us to expect these players to be more than human, I would like them to set examples of fair play and good behavior. What those standards of behavior are will probably never be entirely clear, but they should exist. Hitler would be worth the price of winning??? That is just plain wrong.

 

 

As far as the Bonds thing, if they hadn't won in , say, 25 years, I'd agree with you, build it up and do it right. But we're talking 100 years here. My grandma was a Cubs fan, she died last fall at 96 years old and wasn't alive when they last won the WS. I don't want to go my lifetime without seeing the Cubs lift that trophy.

 

If it could be worked out, I'd say do it. Unfortunately Hendry won't even consider it. That's a shame.

 

 

As for Hitler, it was a joke to prove a point.

 

...and what a joke. I am sure that your grandmother, or mother, who still wears the numbers tattooed into her arm from her days in the concentration camp had a big laugh over it.

 

But given that your sense of humor is different than mine, I disagree with the whole winning at any cost theory. I do not buy into the fact that nice guys always finish last. That the reason for the Cubs not winning a World series is that they have been too nice. I think it has more to do with poor leadership. The Cubs can be a winning team can still be loveable. I do not buy into the theory that says you can ignore a players charactor as long as they have talent. The Portland Trailblazers tried that for several years. Signing players whom other teams would not due to charactor concerns. What they ended up with was a bunch of players who were continually in problems with the law and a seriously eroding fan base. (Look daddy my favorite player is in court facing drug charges again daddy. I want to be just like him). They have now seen the light. I also think Tampa Bay was right to unload Young and Dukes.

 

So I do agree that we cannot expect players to be more than human. Everyone has issues. Just because someone can throw a ball 100 mph or hit it 500 feet does not mean that they should be a role model for the nation's kids. But there are limits.

[MSG T]

I don't think Bonds' ego is going to allow him to take as small of a contract as teams are going to offer him. He thinks he's worth much more than he actually is.

 

He was worth that.

 

I find myself very much at odds with the philosophy that we should be concerned with winning at all costs. Some of us take our kids to see these games. That is the large part of the appeal to baseball. It is something that you can share with your son or daughter. While it is wrong of us to expect these players to be more than human, I would like them to set examples of fair play and good behavior. What those standards of behavior are will probably never be entirely clear, but they should exist. Hitler would be worth the price of winning??? That is just plain wrong.

 

 

As far as the Bonds thing, if they hadn't won in , say, 25 years, I'd agree with you, build it up and do it right. But we're talking 100 years here. My grandma was a Cubs fan, she died last fall at 96 years old and wasn't alive when they last won the WS. I don't want to go my lifetime without seeing the Cubs lift that trophy.

 

If it could be worked out, I'd say do it. Unfortunately Hendry won't even consider it. That's a shame.

 

 

As for Hitler, it was a joke to prove a point.

 

...and what a joke. I am sure that your grandmother, or mother, who still wears the numbers tattooed into her arm from her days in the concentration camp had a big laugh over it.

 

But given that your sense of humor is different than mine, I disagree with the whole winning at any cost theory. I do not buy into the fact that nice guys always finish last. That the reason for the Cubs not winning a World series is that they have been too nice. I think it has more to do with poor leadership. The Cubs can be a winning team can still be loveable. I do not buy into the theory that says you can ignore a players charactor as long as they have talent. The Portland Trailblazers tried that for several years. Signing players whom other teams would not due to charactor concerns. What they ended up with was a bunch of players who were continually in problems with the law and a seriously eroding fan base. (Look daddy my favorite player is in court facing drug charges again daddy. I want to be just like him). They have now seen the light. I also think Tampa Bay was right to unload Young and Dukes.

 

So I do agree that we cannot expect players to be more than human. Everyone has issues. Just because someone can throw a ball 100 mph or hit it 500 feet does not mean that they should be a role model for the nation's kids. But there are limits.

 

Well, first, my grandma lost a husband and son because of Hitler, so I would have a pretty good reason to be offended, if it was meant that way.

 

Second, maybe you haven't been paying attention, but the Cubs have fielded many teams over the years that were full of good guys. That's the problem, I want good players. If they are great guys, fantastic, if they are like Bonds, great, I don't care. I want them to get the best players they can and win. They aren't doing that, and haven't for way more years than they should have.

[erik316wttn]

Then, the earth is destroyed after the Cubs win the World Series.

 

You think the earth would end right after the final out or would we have a night to celebrate?

 

If we get to celebrate, it might actually be worth it.

 

The earth would implode upon itself about 3 seconds after the final out was recorded.