Buster Onley: Santana will be traded during Spring Training

[Sweet Swinging Billy]

I know this has been talked about before but Buster Onley is saying various teams have shown interest in acquiring Santana (not just the Yankees, Red Sox, and Mets). He said that the Yankees have taken Phil Hughes out of any potential deal with the Twins and that the Red Sox, under no circumstances, would be willing to trade Jon Leister (spelling?). Onley also said that if Bedard were traded, he thinks it would be to the Mariners.

 

Take a break from the "Roberts thread" and post what type of package deal, the Cubs would be willing to accept from the Twinkies. I say forget about Brian Roberts and focus on Santana. Heck, trade the entire farm if you have to, but whatever it takes, add Santana to your rotation.

[Mephistopheles]

why trade your entire farm system for one year of johan santana when you can trade half of your farm system for two years of erik bedard.

[rawaction]

why trade your entire farm system for one year of johan santana when you can trade half of your farm system for two years of erik bedard.

 

Because Santana is better?

[Mizzou]

why trade your entire farm system for one year of johan santana when you can trade half of your farm system for two years of erik bedard.

Because Santana is the best pitcher in baseball and has been a badass for years now, and Bedard is not the best pitcher in baseball and has only one season of badassedness.

 

I'd be thrilled to see him in a Cubs uniform, but I know it wont happen.

[Sweet Swinging Billy]

why trade your entire farm system for one year of johan santana when you can trade half of your farm system for two years of erik bedard.

 

I hear ya Meph but I would expect the Cubs (and I know we're talking about a lot of money) to sign Santana to a long term deal. I don't think the eventual sale of the ball club would affect that. You make a valid point, but Santana? I don't think you'll find a better pitcher, in all of baseball. I think he's worth the gamble but you have to sign him first.

[RammyFanny]

Here's what Dave Kaplan had to say about the cubs and Santana:

Here is the latest on the Santana front....Several baseball sources I spoke with this weekend told me that the price to get Santana is very afforable from a player standpoint. The Cubs have more than enough in their system to get a deal done but here is where the problem lies: Santana is telling teams that he MUST have an extension agreed to to approve a trade and that the price of the extension starts at 6 years and 120 million dollars or more. Some baseball people believe that his price tag could be 7 years and 150 million dollars. Now if you were the Cubs would you really trade away some great young players and give him that kind of money? What long term pitching contract of that length has really worked out in the last several years? Plus, add in the fact that the team is for sale and I believe that there is no way that the baseball commissioner would allow the Cubs to take on that kind of long term debt risk to be passed on to a new owner.

http://wgnradio.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=120&Itemid=236

[jiml60]

Here's what Dave Kaplan had to say about the cubs and Santana:

Here is the latest on the Santana front....Several baseball sources I spoke with this weekend told me that the price to get Santana is very afforable from a player standpoint. The Cubs have more than enough in their system to get a deal done but here is where the problem lies: Santana is telling teams that he MUST have an extension agreed to to approve a trade and that the price of the extension starts at 6 years and 120 million dollars or more. Some baseball people believe that his price tag could be 7 years and 150 million dollars. Now if you were the Cubs would you really trade away some great young players and give him that kind of money? What long term pitching contract of that length has really worked out in the last several years? Plus, add in the fact that the team is for sale and I believe that there is no way that the baseball commissioner would allow the Cubs to take on that kind of long term debt risk to be passed on to his buddy, John Canning.

http://wgnradio.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=120&Itemid=236

 

That's what he meant to say.

[Mephistopheles]

santana's the best pitcher in baseball but it's not night and day between him and the others.

[rawaction]

Here's what Dave Kaplan had to say about the cubs and Santana:

Here is the latest on the Santana front....Several baseball sources I spoke with this weekend told me that the price to get Santana is very afforable from a player standpoint. The Cubs have more than enough in their system to get a deal done but here is where the problem lies: Santana is telling teams that he MUST have an extension agreed to to approve a trade and that the price of the extension starts at 6 years and 120 million dollars or more. Some baseball people believe that his price tag could be 7 years and 150 million dollars. Now if you were the Cubs would you really trade away some great young players and give him that kind of money? What long term pitching contract of that length has really worked out in the last several years? Plus, add in the fact that the team is for sale and I believe that there is no way that the baseball commissioner would allow the Cubs to take on that kind of long term debt risk to be passed on to a new owner.

http://wgnradio.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=120&Itemid=236

 

Still wouldn't have a problem with it. I'd sign him for 6/120 and look to trade Lee, Marquis, Dempster, and Derosa

[Mephistopheles]

the cubs dont have the prospects to compete with the names being thrown around for santana though.

[CubColtPacer]

The cost in players can't be that small. You have the two biggest budget teams in baseball that have been talking with the Twins all winter long and they haven't come to an agreement. Do you really think the Yankees are balking at giving Santana the extension he wants? Sure, the Yankees are being slightly more careful with the money they used to, but they're not going to bat an eye at giving the best pitcher in the game today the money. It has to be the prospects the Twins want that are the problem. Same goes for the Red Sox, and same would go for the Cubs.

[Derwood]

santana's the best pitcher in baseball but it's not night and day between him and the others.

 

it's close to night and day. maybe twilight and day

[Mephistopheles]

santana's the best pitcher in baseball but it's not night and day between him and the others.

 

it's close to night and day. maybe twilight and day

 

No it isn't. I'd take Peavy over him straight up.

[Derwood]

santana's the best pitcher in baseball but it's not night and day between him and the others.

 

it's close to night and day. maybe twilight and day

 

No it isn't. I'd take Peavy over him straight up.

 

Peavy is not available. Bedard and Santana are

[rawaction]

the cubs dont have the prospects to compete with the names being thrown around for santana though.

 

What names are being thrown around if Hughes and Lester aren't available? I'd trade Hill for Santana, even for 1 year. Even without Hill; Pie/Colvin, Gallagher, Ceda, etc is good enough talent.

[RammyFanny]

the cubs dont have the prospects to compete with the names being thrown around for santana though.

Honestly, I think we do. I just don't think we can sign him, since that's required. Lester is off limits, as well as Hughes now. So we're looking at something like Ellsbury, Lowrie, and another? Kennedy/Melky/ another? I have a hard time believing we couldn't beat that rather easily if we wanted to.

[rawaction]

santana's the best pitcher in baseball but it's not night and day between him and the others.

 

it's close to night and day. maybe twilight and day

 

No it isn't. I'd take Peavy over him straight up.

 

You would take the lesser pitcher. And Peavy is the only one in Santana's league.

[Mephistopheles]

The Twins wouldn't want the centerpiece to be a player who's arbitration eligible after this season. They'd be interested in Pie, but would take all the Ellsbury offers over him + w/e we offer easily.

[Derwood]

santana's the best pitcher in baseball but it's not night and day between him and the others.

 

it's close to night and day. maybe twilight and day

 

No it isn't. I'd take Peavy over him straight up.

 

You would take the lesser pitcher. And Peavy is the only one in Santana's league.

 

and pitches half his game in the best pitcher's park in the league.

 

ETA: Peavy was actually pretty much the same away from PETCO, thanks to an OpBABIP 55 points lower on the road

[sneakypower]

The Twins wouldn't want the centerpiece to be a player who's arbitration eligible after this season. They'd be interested in Pie, but would take all the Ellsbury offers over him + w/e we offer easily.

I wasn't aware you had connections in the Twins front office who openly tell you how much they like players on other teams.

[Mephistopheles]

santana's the best pitcher in baseball but it's not night and day between him and the others.

 

it's close to night and day. maybe twilight and day

 

No it isn't. I'd take Peavy over him straight up.

 

You would take the lesser pitcher. And Peavy is the only one in Santana's league.

 

Not necessarily.

[Mephistopheles]

The Twins wouldn't want the centerpiece to be a player who's arbitration eligible after this season. They'd be interested in Pie, but would take all the Ellsbury offers over him + w/e we offer easily.

I wasn't aware you had connections in the Twins front office who openly tell you how much they like players on other teams.

 

Pie sucks. Ellsbury doesn't. it's not rocket science

[nilodnayr]

I'd wonder if the Twins would be interested in Marmol as a replacement for Nathan. A deal centering on Pie and Marmol might interest them.

 

And while we're up there, lets get them to send us Everett (with his approval) and we'll throw Theriot in!

[Derwood]

Santana, last four years:

 

182 ERA+, 0.921 WHIP, 228 IP

155 ERA+, 0.971 WHIP, 231.2 IP

161 ERA+, 0.997 WHIP, 233.2 IP

130 ERA+, 1.073 WHIP, 219 IP

 

no one can touch that

[Mephistopheles]

santana's the best pitcher in baseball but it's not night and day between him and the others.

 

it's close to night and day. maybe twilight and day

 

No it isn't. I'd take Peavy over him straight up.

 

You would take the lesser pitcher. And Peavy is the only one in Santana's league.

 

and pitches half his game in the best pitcher's park in the league.

 

ETA: Peavy was actually pretty much the same away from PETCO, thanks to an OpBABIP 55 points lower on the road

 

There's been no statistical significance between his splits 3 of the last 4 years.