Khalil refuses to sign long-term in SD

[RyneSandberg]

how is khalil greene appealing in the least bit?

[Post Count Padder]

how is khalil greene appealing in the least bit?

Good fielder, good power, good stats away from Petco.

[RammyFanny]

Hey, the Pads have given us good prospects before. Throw Latos our way and Murton is yours. LeBlanc is interesting as well, and Hendry has shown interest in him before supposedly (with Prior). Not great velocity on his fastball (88), but has a changeup that could rival Johan. Obviously, it's up to you deciding how much the fastball speed impacts the effectiveness of a changeup, but LeBlanc's is as good as they come. You'll at least know you're getting a guy with a plus plus pitch to build off of.

[RammyFanny]

how is khalil greene appealing in the least bit?

 

Extreme flyball hitter playing in the worst ballpark for that. Check his splits. If you're going to have subpar OBP, then you either have to be great defensively (not "Izturis" great) or make up for it with exceptional slugging %. Khalil does both.

[Rob]

how is khalil greene appealing in the least bit?

 

He's not Ryan Theriot.

[Omar]

how is khalil greene appealing in the least bit?

 

I like his hair.

[Guancous]

Shawon Dunston was my favorite player as a kid, but oy, that sub .300 OBP would fit in on the 2000 squad.

 

No one mentions the severe downgrade for the Padres if they go from Khalil Greene to Ronny Cedeno. I think the Murton idea is much more palatable for San Diego. They would still require an extra piece. I'd feel lucky if we could get Greene for Cedeno, Murton and Marshall. I like Marshall but 500 ABs from a powerful SS are hard to find.

 

Edit: Let alone a shortstop that can play defense.

 

Who was ever suggesting just Cedeno as the main piece of the trade?

 

I should rephrase my position. The Padres are a contending team with a weak offense. Their starting shortstop would likely be Cedeno if Greene gets traded to the Cubs. I don't think they want to open the season with him any more than we do.

[Rob]

Shawon Dunston was my favorite player as a kid, but oy, that sub .300 OBP would fit in on the 2000 squad.

 

No one mentions the severe downgrade for the Padres if they go from Khalil Greene to Ronny Cedeno. I think the Murton idea is much more palatable for San Diego. They would still require an extra piece. I'd feel lucky if we could get Greene for Cedeno, Murton and Marshall. I like Marshall but 500 ABs from a powerful SS are hard to find.

 

Edit: Let alone a shortstop that can play defense.

 

Who was ever suggesting just Cedeno as the main piece of the trade?

 

I should rephrase my position. The Padres are a contending team with a weak offense. Their starting shortstop would likely be Cedeno if Greene gets traded to the Cubs. I don't think they want to open the season with him any more than we do.

 

I would love to start the season with Cedeno as our starting SS. He'd be a huge upgrade over what we've got.

[Sammy Sofa]

Shawon Dunston was my favorite player as a kid, but oy, that sub .300 OBP would fit in on the 2000 squad.

 

No one mentions the severe downgrade for the Padres if they go from Khalil Greene to Ronny Cedeno. I think the Murton idea is much more palatable for San Diego. They would still require an extra piece. I'd feel lucky if we could get Greene for Cedeno, Murton and Marshall. I like Marshall but 500 ABs from a powerful SS are hard to find.

 

Edit: Let alone a shortstop that can play defense.

 

Who was ever suggesting just Cedeno as the main piece of the trade?

 

I should rephrase my position. The Padres are a contending team with a weak offense. Their starting shortstop would likely be Cedeno if Greene gets traded to the Cubs. I don't think they want to open the season with him any more than we do.

 

Agreed. The Cubs would have to either really wow them with the other parts of the deal or at least involve another team.

[Backtobanks]

Shawon Dunston was my favorite player as a kid, but oy, that sub .300 OBP would fit in on the 2000 squad.

 

No one mentions the severe downgrade for the Padres if they go from Khalil Greene to Ronny Cedeno. I think the Murton idea is much more palatable for San Diego. They would still require an extra piece. I'd feel lucky if we could get Greene for Cedeno, Murton and Marshall. I like Marshall but 500 ABs from a powerful SS are hard to find.

 

Edit: Let alone a shortstop that can play defense.

 

Who was ever suggesting just Cedeno as the main piece of the trade?

 

I should rephrase my position. The Padres are a contending team with a weak offense. Their starting shortstop would likely be Cedeno if Greene gets traded to the Cubs. I don't think they want to open the season with him any more than we do.

 

Agreed. The Cubs would have to either really wow them with the other parts of the deal or at least involve another team.

 

The latest from Ken Rosenthal:

The Padres are targeting Matt Murton for left field, a notion that gels with Kevin Towers' stated quest to acquire a corner outfielder via trade. Plus, Towers gets along well with Cubs GM Jim Hendry. Not sure how the teams would match up, unless things expand to include Khalil Greene. The Cubs would have to be sure they don't need Murton for other deals or because of other deals.

Rosenthal agrees with the recent rumor that the Orioles will decide whether to trade Erik Bedard and Brian Roberts by month's end. He notes that Cubs starter Jason Marquis actually does have trade value, and could be part of a package for Roberts. Other teams are interested in him too - go figure. Innings are innings I guess. Marquis, 29, is owed $16.25MM over the 2008-09 seasons.

[Banedon]

Shawon Dunston was my favorite player as a kid, but oy, that sub .300 OBP would fit in on the 2000 squad.

 

No one mentions the severe downgrade for the Padres if they go from Khalil Greene to Ronny Cedeno. I think the Murton idea is much more palatable for San Diego. They would still require an extra piece. I'd feel lucky if we could get Greene for Cedeno, Murton and Marshall. I like Marshall but 500 ABs from a powerful SS are hard to find.

 

Edit: Let alone a shortstop that can play defense.

 

Who was ever suggesting just Cedeno as the main piece of the trade?

 

I should rephrase my position. The Padres are a contending team with a weak offense. Their starting shortstop would likely be Cedeno if Greene gets traded to the Cubs. I don't think they want to open the season with him any more than we do.

 

Agreed. The Cubs would have to either really wow them with the other parts of the deal or at least involve another team.

 

The latest from Ken Rosenthal:

The Padres are targeting Matt Murton for left field, a notion that gels with Kevin Towers' stated quest to acquire a corner outfielder via trade. Plus, Towers gets along well with Cubs GM Jim Hendry. Not sure how the teams would match up, unless things expand to include Khalil Greene. The Cubs would have to be sure they don't need Murton for other deals or because of other deals.

Rosenthal agrees with the recent rumor that the Orioles will decide whether to trade Erik Bedard and Brian Roberts by month's end. He notes that Cubs starter Jason Marquis actually does have trade value, and could be part of a package for Roberts. Other teams are interested in him too - go figure. Innings are innings I guess. Marquis, 29, is owed $16.25MM over the 2008-09 seasons.

 

I hate it when Rosenthal teases.

[WilcoFan]

Does anyone else think that Greene could be had for a lot less than what seemingly is the high value placed on him by many on this board? Now-it is clear that Greene is a valuable player, but what I mean is that he may not have the perceived value around baseball that he has on this board. Add to that his desire to move East, and for some reason, I just don't think he'd necessarily cost what some think he would cost.

 

Its important to point out that I do feel he is a valuable player, but for some reason, I think the traditionalist reaction to him will be "not high enough average; strikes out too much. End of the order hitter." Granted, that is not a correct interpretation of his skills, but I think its still a prominent one. And as we all know, perceived value is as important in many respects as actual value, and I think Khalil Greene's perceived value is lower than you might expect.

 

 

Here are some reactions to Greene not signing from the signonsandiego website:

 

Sorry but .254 isn't worth $2.5 mil. Maybe someone else can overpay him, and then he might crack a smile.

 

Second, it is also quite possible that Greene and his agent have over estimated his value on the open market. They could intentionally be pricing themselves in a way that guarantees he goes to FA. That said, they could be disappointed. I dont think there will be that big of a market for him. Most teams expect more consistency (higher avg, obp) from their SS, and they may be scared off by his injury past. He is awfully fragile. Not only that, but where is he going to go back east? Many of the teams that would be able to afford him already have either an established major league SS, or they have a highly touted prospect they are committed to on some level.

 

I agree the 27 homers are nice, but I bet he would be a bigger asset if he swung for the fences less, and got on base more often. When little guys swing for the fences there is a cost.

 

And a .254 average is not particularly good. It is quite average. Even for a shortstop. I would need to see his OBP, OPS, and total bases to get a real comparison, but I believe that whil ehe is a good shortstop, he is not yet a great one.

 

Ah for the days of Tony Gwynn. They didn't win a lot, but at least someone on the team could hit.

Edited January 22, 2008 by WilcoFan

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

get in the car Matt, I'm driving you to the airport in exchange for Greene.

[wrigley23]

the last thing this offense needs is another swing from the heels strikeout specialist with subpar OBP. No thanks.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

the last thing this offense needs is another swing from the heels strikeout specialist with subpar OBP. No thanks.

You are horribly misinformed.

[rocket]

the last thing this offense needs is another swing from the heels strikeout specialist with subpar OBP. No thanks.

 

the last thing this offense needs is ryan theriot playing every day.

[Sammy Sofa]

the last thing this offense needs is another swing from the heels strikeout specialist with subpar OBP. No thanks.

 

Is a strikeout somehow worse than a different kind of out?

 

Greene's away splits show he would be almost certain to rake in Wrigley, power-wise, something would help this team drastically. He's also an excellent fielder, something this team can also really use at SS.

[VanceJergins]

the last thing this offense needs is another swing from the heels strikeout specialist with subpar OBP. No thanks.

 

Do you have like, 2 posts that you just copy and paste from?

[CyHawk_Cub]

the last thing this offense needs is another swing from the heels strikeout specialist with subpar OBP. No thanks.

 

the last thing this offense needs is ryan theriot playing every day.

[CyHawk_Cub]

the last thing this offense needs is another swing from the heels strikeout specialist with subpar OBP. No thanks.

 

Is a strikeout somehow worse than a different kind of out?

 

Greene's away splits show he would be almost certain to rake in Wrigley, power-wise, something would help this team drastically. He's also an excellent fielder, something this team can also really use at SS.

 

wrigley23 doesn't seem to value home/road splits.... I like Theriot, seems like a good guy, but he should be at most the 25th man on a world series contender, NOT the regular SS...

[WilcoFan]

the last thing this offense needs is another swing from the heels strikeout specialist with subpar OBP. No thanks.

 

Unless, of course, Steve Stone says the Cubs should go after him. Then we HAVE TO DO IT!

[JeffH]

Let's trade for Greene then bat him leadoff. That'll drive wrigley23 nuts.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

If Greene could develop a tad bit of plate discipline, he could be the best offensive SS in baseball(assuming Arod is considered a 3B from here on out).

[David]

Don't even bother getting into these arguments with wrigley23.

 

He won't even respond to the points made against him, he'll just repeat himself over and over. I've wasted plenty of typing on it already.

[David]

Not that this needs to be reiterated, but Greene has an .828 OPS over the last 3 years on the road (740 AB's), in case there's anyone else that needs to be sold on him.

 

His OPS at home during that same span is .662 (719 AB's).

 

Pretty drastic.