Orlando Cabrera trade?

[Backtobanks]

My interest in obtaining Cabrera is that he's a SS, which is a position of need for the Cubs. That's why there's all of the discussion about Greene from SD. Getting Roberts is an upgrade, but only a slight upgrade over the incumbent DeRosa, while Cabrera or Greene is a big upgrade over Theriot. As for which players the Cubs could offer the White Sox, it doesn't really matter because Kenny Williams still thinks his team is a contender this year. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[CubColtPacer]

My interest in obtaining Cabrera is that he's a SS, which is a position of need for the Cubs. That's why there's all of the discussion about Greene from SD. Getting Roberts is an upgrade, but only a slight upgrade over the incumbent DeRosa, while Cabrera or Greene is a big upgrade over Theriot. As for which players the Cubs could offer the White Sox, it doesn't really matter because Kenny Williams still thinks his team is a contender this year. :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

Cabrera would probably be no bigger than an upgrade than Roberts would be. If it were just Cabrera vs Theriot and Roberts vs DeRosa, Cabrera would be a little bigger of an upgrade, but adding in the factor of DeRosa taking away 200 AB's or more from Fontenot and Roberts becomes the better upgrade.

[jersey cubs fan]

My interest in obtaining Cabrera is that he's a SS, which is a position of need for the Cubs. That's why there's all of the discussion about Greene from SD. Getting Roberts is an upgrade, but only a slight upgrade over the incumbent DeRosa, while Cabrera or Greene is a big upgrade over Theriot. As for which players the Cubs could offer the White Sox, it doesn't really matter because Kenny Williams still thinks his team is a contender this year. :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

Cabrera would probably be no bigger than an upgrade than Roberts would be. If it were just Cabrera vs Theriot and Roberts vs DeRosa, Cabrera would be a little bigger of an upgrade, but adding in the factor of DeRosa taking away 200 AB's or more from Fontenot and Roberts becomes the better upgrade.

 

I would tend to agree.

[UMFan83]

Pros:

-Good defense (I think thats still the case)

-Decent BA and OBP last year

-Probably an upgrade over Theriot

 

Cons:

-Made 8.5 million last year

-32 years old

-Is a FA after the year

-Mediocre to poor power numbers

-Only one season with an over 100 OPS+ (2003)

 

Overall, I don't think he's worth what we'd give up for a marginal player who I'd have no interest in resigning after this season.

 

Man, are we really going to sit here and say Cabrera and Theriot are comparable shortstops? Theriot is marginal defensively at best and Cabrera is a gold glove shortstop. Just because Cabrera doesn't hit for power, doesn't mean he's not valuable. You have to throw out power statistics sometimes. Sometimes you just need guys who can play an important defensive position at an above average clip - while being a productive role player offensively.

 

Well like I said, hes 32 years old, the age where defense presumably starts to slip, and he made $8.5 million last year and he is a FA next year. You want to throw Murton, Marshall and Cedeno (as was suggested by a poster in this thread) for a guy with possible declining defense and little offensive upside that might walk and get us a Type B draft pick after the season?

 

Yes, personally, I would. Cedeno and Murton have next to no value to me (or most other teams for that matter). And I don't think Gallagher projects as a 1-3 starter, so also he's open season as far as I'm concerned. Cabrera gets us one step closer to the trophy with all the little metal flags on it. That's all I care about. Marginal prospects be damned.

 

Edit: Upon proofreading, it probably looks as if I'm saying Gallagher is also a marginal prospect. Not really my intention. He's a pretty good prospect, but you have to trade pretty good prospects (or better) to get valuable MLB talent.

 

I'd buy that he takes us one step closer if you can trade him for a pitcher at the trading deadline because with Dempster in the rotation and Marshall not available, we might be in some trouble.

[nilodnayr]

My interest in obtaining Cabrera is that he's a SS, which is a position of need for the Cubs. That's why there's all of the discussion about Greene from SD. Getting Roberts is an upgrade, but only a slight upgrade over the incumbent DeRosa, while Cabrera or Greene is a big upgrade over Theriot. As for which players the Cubs could offer the White Sox, it doesn't really matter because Kenny Williams still thinks his team is a contender this year. :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

Cabrera would probably be no bigger than an upgrade than Roberts would be. If it were just Cabrera vs Theriot and Roberts vs DeRosa, Cabrera would be a little bigger of an upgrade, but adding in the factor of DeRosa taking away 200 AB's or more from Fontenot and Roberts becomes the better upgrade.

 

I would tend to agree.

 

Depends, VORP-wise, the Roberts to DeRo bump is about the same as the Theriot to OCab bump for 2007, but if you look at Roberts and OCab's 2006, and compare them to the Cub's 2007, you'd be much better off with OCab. Looking at a couple different advanced defensive metrics and it appears as though DeRo and Theriot were actually slightly better than Roberts and OCab in 2007.

[jersey cubs fan]

My interest in obtaining Cabrera is that he's a SS, which is a position of need for the Cubs. That's why there's all of the discussion about Greene from SD. Getting Roberts is an upgrade, but only a slight upgrade over the incumbent DeRosa, while Cabrera or Greene is a big upgrade over Theriot. As for which players the Cubs could offer the White Sox, it doesn't really matter because Kenny Williams still thinks his team is a contender this year. :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

Cabrera would probably be no bigger than an upgrade than Roberts would be. If it were just Cabrera vs Theriot and Roberts vs DeRosa, Cabrera would be a little bigger of an upgrade, but adding in the factor of DeRosa taking away 200 AB's or more from Fontenot and Roberts becomes the better upgrade.

 

I would tend to agree.

 

Depends, VORP-wise, the Roberts to DeRo bump is about the same as the Theriot to OCab bump for 2007, but if you look at Roberts and OCab's 2006, and compare them to the Cub's 2007, you'd be much better off with OCab. Looking at a couple different advanced defensive metrics and it appears as though DeRo and Theriot were actually slightly better than Roberts and OCab in 2007.

 

I think your analysis negates the fact that DeRosa would still be here, playing, and likely replacing potentially poor numbers.

[XZero771679666304]

My interest in obtaining Cabrera is that he's a SS, which is a position of need for the Cubs. That's why there's all of the discussion about Greene from SD. Getting Roberts is an upgrade, but only a slight upgrade over the incumbent DeRosa, while Cabrera or Greene is a big upgrade over Theriot. As for which players the Cubs could offer the White Sox, it doesn't really matter because Kenny Williams still thinks his team is a contender this year. :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

Cabrera would probably be no bigger than an upgrade than Roberts would be. If it were just Cabrera vs Theriot and Roberts vs DeRosa, Cabrera would be a little bigger of an upgrade, but adding in the factor of DeRosa taking away 200 AB's or more from Fontenot and Roberts becomes the better upgrade.

 

I would tend to agree.

 

Depends, VORP-wise, the Roberts to DeRo bump is about the same as the Theriot to OCab bump for 2007, but if you look at Roberts and OCab's 2006, and compare them to the Cub's 2007, you'd be much better off with OCab. Looking at a couple different advanced defensive metrics and it appears as though DeRo and Theriot were actually slightly better than Roberts and OCab in 2007.

 

I think your analysis negates the fact that DeRosa would still be here, playing, and likely replacing potentially poor numbers.

 

 

I think a Roberts trade may bump Fontenot from the roster, which is a good thing.

[nilodnayr]

My interest in obtaining Cabrera is that he's a SS, which is a position of need for the Cubs. That's why there's all of the discussion about Greene from SD. Getting Roberts is an upgrade, but only a slight upgrade over the incumbent DeRosa, while Cabrera or Greene is a big upgrade over Theriot. As for which players the Cubs could offer the White Sox, it doesn't really matter because Kenny Williams still thinks his team is a contender this year. :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

Cabrera would probably be no bigger than an upgrade than Roberts would be. If it were just Cabrera vs Theriot and Roberts vs DeRosa, Cabrera would be a little bigger of an upgrade, but adding in the factor of DeRosa taking away 200 AB's or more from Fontenot and Roberts becomes the better upgrade.

 

I would tend to agree.

 

Depends, VORP-wise, the Roberts to DeRo bump is about the same as the Theriot to OCab bump for 2007, but if you look at Roberts and OCab's 2006, and compare them to the Cub's 2007, you'd be much better off with OCab. Looking at a couple different advanced defensive metrics and it appears as though DeRo and Theriot were actually slightly better than Roberts and OCab in 2007.

 

I think your analysis negates the fact that DeRosa would still be here, playing, and likely replacing potentially poor numbers.

 

To pile onto myself (isn't there something against that in the Bible?), I also did not talk about DeRosa potentially not matching his 2007 #s, while Theriot will probably match his. Additionally, I like having a legit backup for 3B. Theres always the possibility that Ronnie could beat Theriot out.

 

To respond to your point, Fontentot had 256 PAs last year. DeRo will be an upgrade for those PAs, but he'll also be a downgrade from the PAs that would have gone to Murton.

 

Just some other things to consider.