College Football - Bowls (Non-BCS)

[CubinNY]

I'm willing to make an argument that Ohio State is the 7th worst BCS team. I think they'd beat Hawaii, but it'd be close.

Maybe so, but I'm betting they beat LSU.

[fiver]

 

Anyway' date=' I think what really bothers most of us non-SEC fans is the superior attitude that the SEC seems to have about FB. Like I have always said, They may be the best year in year out. However they are not that superior that the SEC championship game is some sort of quasi National Title game.[/quote']

 

I don't blame SEC fans for being maniacal about their football. For many of them, it's all they have:

 

Big 10 states with pro teams:

 

Indiana: Colts

Illinois: Bears

Ohio: Browns, Bengals

Pennsylvania: Steelers, Eagles

Michigan: Lions

Minnesota: Vikings

Wisconsin: Packers

Iowa: n/a

 

SEC states with pro teams:

 

Florida: Jaguars, Dolphins, Bucs

Louisiana: Saints

Tennessee: Titans

Georgia: Falcons

Kentucky: n/a

Alabama: n/a

Mississippi: n/a

Arkansas: n/a

South Carolina: n/a

 

As far as I know, none of the SEC football fans on this board have stated the SEC is perennially superior. Personally, I've stated that I believe the SEC has been the strongest conference for the past two years. Should one be characterized as being maniacal for saying this? I deem it to be a fair evaluation.

 

Derwood, I'm not confident that your theory holds water. There are a tremendous amount of Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, and LSU fans that are crazy about college football...yet they still are fans of their state's respective NFL teams.

[Derwood]

Derwood, I'm not confident that your theory holds water. There are a tremendous amount of Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, and LSU fans that are crazy about college football...yet they still are fans of their state's respective NFL teams.

 

sure, it's not mutually exclusive. but there is a reason Alabama and Auburn fans are so nuts about their schools.

[fiver]

Meph, The Big Ten is obviously down a little this year. However they will win at least 1 of the 3 games against your vaunted SEC.

 

In which of these games do you believe the Big Ten is going to pull off the upset?

 

2 of which a home games for the SEC teams. I know you will have some sort of excuse that it didnt count or matter or something because the seagulls were all flying the wrong way causing the SEC teams to be confused. Really Bowl games are mostly meaningless anyway

 

It's interesting to me that you make excuses and accuse Meph of making excuses in the same post.

 

Newsflash for you OSU is the number 1 rated team.

 

Yes, thanks for commenting on the price of tea in China. The spread, however, is LSU -4.

 

So sorry I didn't bow down to what is the SEC conference. Remember your the one who said the big ten was going to lose all 3 games. Good luck with that.

 

I think you're putting a lot of words in my fingers.

[fiver]

Derwood, I'm not confident that your theory holds water. There are a tremendous amount of Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, and LSU fans that are crazy about college football...yet they still are fans of their state's respective NFL teams.

 

sure, it's not mutually exclusive. but there is a reason Alabama and Auburn fans are so nuts about their schools.

 

Generally speaking, the Alabama and Auburn fans that are maniacal, unreasonable didn't attend either school nor any university for that matter. Is Alabama the only state in which that occurs? Ohio State - Michigan is a huge rivalry. There aren't uneducated people in that portion of the nation that speak confidently yet inaccurately about their programs?

[Derwood]

Derwood, I'm not confident that your theory holds water. There are a tremendous amount of Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, and LSU fans that are crazy about college football...yet they still are fans of their state's respective NFL teams.

 

sure, it's not mutually exclusive. but there is a reason Alabama and Auburn fans are so nuts about their schools.

 

Generally speaking, the Alabama and Auburn fans that are maniacal, unreasonable didn't attend either school nor any university for that matter. Is Alabama the only state in which that occurs? Ohio State - Michigan is a huge rivalry. There aren't uneducated people in that portion of the nation that speak confidently yet inaccurately about their programs?

 

i spoke nothing of uneducated. My point simply was that for states without NFL teams, the college team BECOMES the NFL team (in terms of fan loyalty, etc.). One could (correctly) say the same for Oklahoma, Nebraska, etc. My statement was in no way negative towards those fans

[SouthSideRyan]

I'm willing to make an argument that Ohio State is the 7th worst BCS team. I think they'd beat Hawaii, but it'd be close.

 

I assume you have OSU>Hawaii, UI, KU?

[Exile on Waveland]

 

Anyway' date=' I think what really bothers most of us non-SEC fans is the superior attitude that the SEC seems to have about FB. Like I have always said, They may be the best year in year out. However they are not that superior that the SEC championship game is some sort of quasi National Title game.[/quote']

 

I don't blame SEC fans for being maniacal about their football. For many of them, it's all they have:

 

Big 10 states with pro teams:

 

Indiana: Colts

Illinois: Bears

Ohio: Browns, Bengals

Pennsylvania: Steelers, Eagles

Michigan: Lions

Minnesota: Vikings

Wisconsin: Packers

Iowa: n/a

 

SEC states with pro teams:

 

Florida: Jaguars, Dolphins, Bucs

Louisiana: Saints

Tennessee: Titans

Georgia: Falcons

Kentucky: n/a

Alabama: n/a

Mississippi: n/a

Arkansas: n/a

South Carolina: n/a

 

As far as I know, none of the SEC football fans on this board have stated the SEC is perennially superior. Personally, I've stated that I believe the SEC has been the strongest conference for the past two years. Should one be characterized as being maniacal for saying this? I deem it to be a fair evaluation.

 

Derwood, I'm not confident that your theory holds water. There are a tremendous amount of Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, and LSU fans that are crazy about college football...yet they still are fans of their state's respective NFL teams.

 

Your first paragraph is correct, I believe. The SEC is generally the strongest football conference. That's a fair evaluation. I doubt most Big Ten fans would debate that point. We simply have a problem with acting like there's no way we can complete -- that's been proven untrue year after year.

 

Your second paragraph is incorrect, I believe. Fans care most deeply when they have but a singular rooting interest. Derwood's theory is cogent and, honestly, not an epiphany (not saying that Derwood thought it was). Having one team magnifies everything. In fact, the Big Ten against the SEC is a great case study for this very point.

[Guest]

Meph, The Big Ten is obviously down a little this year. However they will win at least 1 of the 3 games against your vaunted SEC.

 

In which of these games do you believe the Big Ten is going to pull off the upset?

 

2 of which a home games for the SEC teams. I know you will have some sort of excuse that it didnt count or matter or something because the seagulls were all flying the wrong way causing the SEC teams to be confused. Really Bowl games are mostly meaningless anyway

 

It's interesting to me that you make excuses and accuse Meph of making excuses in the same post.

 

Newsflash for you OSU is the number 1 rated team.

 

Newsflash for you, OSU was the number 1 rated team last year too but that didn't stop Florida from dismantling them 41-14.

[Guest]

I'm willing to make an argument that Ohio State is the 7th worst BCS team. I think they'd beat Hawaii, but it'd be close.

 

I assume you have OSU>Hawaii, UI, KU?

 

I don't know about him but I would make USC, LSU, Oklahoma, and Georgia sure favorites over OSU. I probably would put both Va Tech and West Virginia as slight favorites and there's an easy argument on why one could put Illinois as a favorite as well. I'd have OSU favored over Hawaii and Kansas.

[hawkcub]

Speaking of non BCS games UT vs ASU in the Holiday bowl is on tonight, probably the best non Jan. 1 game. Granted playing on Jan. 1 is not quite the same as before. Go ASU

 

BTW UT's up by 7.

[cubweiser03]

I dont have a problem with the position that the SEC is better than the B10, they are. Now I think its greatly exaggerated by how much. But what burns my freaking craw is the myth about "SEC speed". We were talking to some people in Kentucky about the RR hire and one guy says "you know Michigan is a big team, they need to get faster." Wait, you are telling me what Michigan needs and you probably know nothing about the talent on this team. This team doesnt lack talent or speed, the reason they will get their ass kicked against Florida is because the system underutlizes the talent and speed on this team (especially on the offense), while Florida is a superior coached team. If UM and OSU were so big and slow why are all these players from those schools in the NFL. Maybe not so much this year but id gladdy line up PSU's defense against any top "SEC speed" defense. Same goes for Wisky's past defenses. /rant

[hawkcub]

Maybe the Holiday Bowl won't be a good bowl this year.

[shnsajax]

Texas finally came to play like they should. Of course this might only lead to Charles going pro early when he really needs to stay one more year.

 

21-0 1st Quarter =D>

[shnsajax]

Texas trying to give me Bartman flashbacks, and to make it worse he didn't even touch the ball. However he should have never been their to begin with. Time for someone to fill out transfer papers. Edited December 28, 2007 by shnsajax

[Guest]

Anyone watching this game? That's got to be a penalty for that Texas assistant coach/ball boy going on the field to grab that ball, right? I mean, he's got no business going onto the field while the ball is live.

 

EDIT: And they did call an unsportsmanlike penalty on Texas so Arizona State will keep the ball.

[nilodnayr]

Anyone watching this game? That's got to be a penalty for that Texas assistant coach/ball boy going on the field to grab that ball, right? I mean, he's got no business going onto the field while the ball is live.

 

EDIT: And they did call an unsportsmanlike penalty on Texas so Arizona State will keep the ball.

Yeah, I was just waiting for that Bartman reference.

[nilodnayr]

I don't see from the replay how they could have conclusive proof that he touched the ball, the rotation didn't look like it changed or anything, but you'd have to believe that guy would have been livid if he didn't touch the ball.

[Guest]

Momentum appears to be changing. It would be huge if ASU could get a touchdown here.

[Guest]

Nice throw on fourth down, Rudy Carpenter. You only had to throw the ball around 10 yards to a wide open receiver.

[nilodnayr]

I don't see from the replay how they could have conclusive proof that he touched the ball, the rotation didn't look like it changed or anything, but you'd have to believe that guy would have been livid if he didn't touch the ball.

 

On that replay they showed the reverse angle. I slow mo'd it about 15 times and couldn't tell if he touched it.

[shnsajax]

I don't see from the replay how they could have conclusive proof that he touched the ball, the rotation didn't look like it changed or anything, but you'd have to believe that guy would have been livid if he didn't touch the ball.

 

On that replay they showed the reverse angle. I slow mo'd it about 15 times and couldn't tell if he touched it.

 

I don't think he did, and have no clue to how they reversed the call to say he did. I don't like the call, but I hate the fact they were ever in the position to have the call to begin with so therefore I will not complain about it.

[nilodnayr]

I don't see from the replay how they could have conclusive proof that he touched the ball, the rotation didn't look like it changed or anything, but you'd have to believe that guy would have been livid if he didn't touch the ball.

 

On that replay they showed the reverse angle. I slow mo'd it about 15 times and couldn't tell if he touched it.

 

I don't think he did, and have no clue to how they reversed the call to say he did. I don't like the call, but I hate the fact they were ever in the position to have the call to begin with so therefore I will not complain about it.

They must have that super zoom in thing because honestly, I have a 51 inch tv and am watching this in HD and theres no way from either angle they showed that I could conclusively say that he touched the ball. I don't think the replay was conclusive either way, but if you'd make me chose, I would say he didn't touch it.

[Guest]

It's almost as if Arizona State isn't even trying to protect Carpenter back there.

[shnsajax]

It's almost as if Arizona State isn't even trying to protect Carpenter back there.

 

I was fixing to say I am not sure if he can make it the whole game the way he is being hit.