College Football - Week of 11/17

[Soul]

What did we learn this week? The Big Ten isn't very good.

 

alabama lost to UL-Monroe and tennessee barely beat vandy at home... looks like the sec sucks

 

sweet fake FG by that tricky JoePa... PSU up 24-7 over moo

 

FLorida rules blah blah blah blah, Lil ten sucks blah blah blah Tim Tebow blah blah blah, bunch of numbers I made up, blah blah blah.

 

Mature response.

 

Regardless, you picked a really, really bad week to spew Big 10 hatred. SEC is not exactly having a great week with the loss by Bama and the escape of Tennessee in pure-luck fashion over Vandy.

 

See above regarding Tennessee. Bama's stunk. Is it all that worse than losing to directional michigan? not really. I don't hate the Big Ten. There's no reason for me to hate them. I just say what they are: A weak conference. That said it's cyclical and they'll be fine in the future. I've been saying the same thing about the Big Ten since August.

 

By your logic then, Iowa = Bama, and that's ridiculous and you know it.

[Mephistopheles]

So the reason they make a bowl and Vandy doesn't: They play in the Big Ten. You're not helping your case

[Mephistopheles]

What did we learn this week? The Big Ten isn't very good.

 

alabama lost to UL-Monroe and tennessee barely beat vandy at home... looks like the sec sucks

 

sweet fake FG by that tricky JoePa... PSU up 24-7 over moo

 

FLorida rules blah blah blah blah, Lil ten sucks blah blah blah Tim Tebow blah blah blah, bunch of numbers I made up, blah blah blah.

 

Mature response.

 

Regardless, you picked a really, really bad week to spew Big 10 hatred. SEC is not exactly having a great week with the loss by Bama and the escape of Tennessee in pure-luck fashion over Vandy.

 

See above regarding Tennessee. Bama's stunk. Is it all that worse than losing to directional michigan? not really. I don't hate the Big Ten. There's no reason for me to hate them. I just say what they are: A weak conference. That said it's cyclical and they'll be fine in the future. I've been saying the same thing about the Big Ten since August.

 

By your logic then, Iowa = Bama, and that's ridiculous and you know it.

 

Not really. I didn't say it was a "better" loss. It's not that big of a difference though. The SEC is still the best conference by a significant amount and there shouldn't be any doubt there. You're kidding yourself if you think another conference is better.

[Derwood]

MORELLI'D!!!

[jaydee]

So the reason they make a bowl and Vandy doesn't: They play in the Big Ten. You're not helping your case

 

 

the SEC is a joke and will be exposed in bowl games. the only thing they have going for them is a fan base of people with no lives and and thus are able to continually spew junk about how great they are

[Mephistopheles]

So the reason they make a bowl and Vandy doesn't: They play in the Big Ten. You're not helping your case

 

 

the SEC is a joke and will be exposed in bowl games. the only thing they have going for them is a fan base of people with no lives and and thus are able to continually spew junk about how great they are

 

the computers? if thats all you got youre barking up the wrong tree

[Derwood]

So the reason they make a bowl and Vandy doesn't: They play in the Big Ten. You're not helping your case

 

 

the SEC is a joke and will be exposed in bowl games. the only thing they have going for them is a fan base of people with no lives and and thus are able to continually spew junk about how great they are

 

the computers? if thats all you got youre barking up the wrong tree

 

computers don't play football

 

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I'd be interested in hearing how Vandy isn't a bad team. They have 5 losses and their best win is against 5 loss South Carolina, and they didn't play anybody non-con.

[Soul]

So the reason they make a bowl and Vandy doesn't: They play in the Big Ten. You're not helping your case

 

They'll be in a bowl game with Vandy sitting at home because they have a winning record and Vandy doesn't.

 

The case I made is inarguable. You stated the two teams are the same. Mich State will be bowling, Vandy won't. Mich State has 7 wins, Vandy 5. That makes them clearly not the same, and that's the end of the story.

 

You know what I think? You didn't realize Michigan State has 7 wins. You assumed they had around 5 wins because you really don't pay attention to much outside the SEC.

[Mephistopheles]

I'd be interested in hearing how Vandy isn't a bad team. They have 5 losses and their best win is against 5 loss South Carolina, and they didn't play anybody non-con.

 

TAMU beat Okie State and has five losses ... then Kansas had to survive against them

MSU beat PSU and has five losses ... then Ohio State had to survive against them

Vandy beat SC and has six losses ... then they keep it close UGA, Tenn and Kentucky

 

It's pretty darn close.

[E.J.]

MORELLI'D!!!

 

Even with 4 timeouts in the 2nd half they still couldn't get it done.

[Mephistopheles]

So the reason they make a bowl and Vandy doesn't: They play in the Big Ten. You're not helping your case

 

They'll be in a bowl game with Vandy sitting at home because they have a winning record and Vandy doesn't.

 

The case I made is inarguable. You stated the two teams are the same. Mich State will be bowling, Vandy won't. Mich State has 7 wins, Vandy 5. That makes them clearly not the same, and that's the end of the story.

 

You know what I think? You didn't realize Michigan State has 7 wins. You assumed they had around 5 wins because you really don't pay attention to much outside the SEC.

 

Don't insult my intelligence. We both know my pinky's smarter than most. I knew they had seven wins. My lord. I don't just pay attention to the SEC. I bet you didn't know Vanderbilt beat South Carolina until I mentioned that. You probably thought they had 3 wins because you really don't pay attention too much outside the Big Ten. The fact that they'll be bowling does not make them a better team. If they have an easier schedule and the teams are the same wouldn't the logical conclusion be that MSU has a better record? Wins and losses are a poor way to compare teams. You know this.

[CubColtPacer]

I'd be interested in hearing how Vandy isn't a bad team. They have 5 losses and their best win is against 5 loss South Carolina, and they didn't play anybody non-con.

 

TAMU beat Okie State and has five losses ... then Kansas had to survive against them

MSU beat PSU and has five losses ... then Ohio State had to survive against them

Vandy beat SC and has six losses ... then they keep it close UGA, Tenn and Kentucky

 

It's pretty darn close.

 

MSU has also beat Purdue, Indiana, and Bowling Green, all winning teams, 2 from BCS conferences.

 

The only other winning team (in I-A) that Vandy has beaten is Miami of Ohio.

 

Texas A&M is about the same as Vandy having beaten only Fresno State besides that Oklahoma State win.

 

Vandy and Texas A&M are comparable. Michigan State had a little better resume than Vandy before today. Now, they have a much better resume.

[Soul]

So the reason they make a bowl and Vandy doesn't: They play in the Big Ten. You're not helping your case

 

They'll be in a bowl game with Vandy sitting at home because they have a winning record and Vandy doesn't.

 

The case I made is inarguable. You stated the two teams are the same. Mich State will be bowling, Vandy won't. Mich State has 7 wins, Vandy 5. That makes them clearly not the same, and that's the end of the story.

 

You know what I think? You didn't realize Michigan State has 7 wins. You assumed they had around 5 wins because you really don't pay attention to much outside the SEC.

 

Don't insult my intelligence. We both know my pinky's smarter than most. I knew they had seven wins. My lord. I don't just pay attention to the SEC. I bet you didn't know Vanderbilt beat South Carolina until I mentioned that. You probably thought they had 3 wins because you really don't pay attention too much outside the Big Ten. The fact that they'll be bowling does not make them a better team. If they have an easier schedule and the teams are the same wouldn't the logical conclusion be that MSU has a better record? Wins and losses are a poor way to compare teams. You know this.

 

Nah, I knew they had 5 wins and beat South Carolina. They've got wins against SC, Ole Miss, Richmond, Eastern Michigan, Miami (OH). MSU has wins against UAB, Bowling Green, Pitt, ND, Indiana, Purdue, Penn State.

 

Obviously there's no true objective way to compare the teams because they didn't play each other, but I think MSU's resume of wins is more impressive.

[Derwood]

i can't wait until the SEC loses 3 or 4 bowl games and then Meph tells us that the games don't really tell us who is better but the computer does

[Mephistopheles]

There you guys go again treating the world as wins and losses. The dumb politically correct bcs has messed you guys up. Is a 4 point win at home against Penn State more impressive than a loss by 1 point to Tennessee on the road?

 

Not really....theyre roughly equivalent...so MSUs resume didnt jump significantly today

[OleMissCub]

Why the hell did Ole Miss pull Shaeffer?

 

Because Coach Orgeron is the worst coach in college football.

 

LSU is soooooo lucky that Ole Miss is so pathetic. An interception in the endzone and a fumble on the 2 yard line on a first and goal....bloody brilliant.

 

Arkansas can take 'em next week if we did good enough to hang with them.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

There you guys go again treating the world as wins and losses. The dumb politically correct bcs has messed you guys up. Is a 4 point win at home against Penn State more impressive than a loss by 1 point to Tennessee on the road?

 

Not really....theyre roughly equivalent...so MSUs resume didnt jump significantly today

 

Sorry, I can't follow you there. There's something to be said for the relativity between bad wins and good losses, but you can't weight them equally like that, it's the fundamental purpose of the sport.

[CubColtPacer]

There you guys go again treating the world as wins and losses. The dumb politically correct bcs has messed you guys up. Is a 4 point win at home against Penn State more impressive than a loss by 1 point to Tennessee on the road?

 

Not really....theyre roughly equivalent...so MSUs resume didnt jump significantly today

 

A quality loss does count for something, but it's not worth nearly as much as a win over a similar team (and in the computers there isn't that big of a difference between Tennesee and Penn State, and watching them gives the same result).

 

Football isn't the same in baseball in this. Close losses aren't necessarily due to luck. Luck can play a factor in it, but it's much easier in football for a team to control its own destiny and make the plays to win. Vanderbilt has shown repeatedly this year that they struggle in close games in the 4th quarter. They've led or been tied in a few games that they've blown. That pattern shouldn't be attributed to luck, and the fact that Michigan State did make the plays needed to win the ballgame makes a big difference.

[Soul]

There you guys go again treating the world as wins and losses. The dumb politically correct bcs has messed you guys up. Is a 4 point win at home against Penn State more impressive than a loss by 1 point to Tennessee on the road?

 

Not really....theyre roughly equivalent...so MSUs resume didnt jump significantly today

 

Sorry, I can't follow you there. There's something to be said for the relativity between bad wins and good losses, but you can't weight them equally like that, it's the fundamental purpose of the sport.

 

Yeah, I'll always give weight to actually posting the win. It's the ultimate objective of the game.

[NewUserName]

In college football a loss is everything, even a good loss. That is how the system is set up. I would go as far as say that the time of a loss is more important than who the loss is to.

[Mephistopheles]

There you guys go again treating the world as wins and losses. The dumb politically correct bcs has messed you guys up. Is a 4 point win at home against Penn State more impressive than a loss by 1 point to Tennessee on the road?

 

Not really....theyre roughly equivalent...so MSUs resume didnt jump significantly today

 

Sorry, I can't follow you there. There's something to be said for the relativity between bad wins and good losses, but you can't weight them equally like that, it's the fundamental purpose of the sport.

 

sure you can. we're talking about predicting who is better. in terms of future performance, theyre identical.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

There you guys go again treating the world as wins and losses. The dumb politically correct bcs has messed you guys up. Is a 4 point win at home against Penn State more impressive than a loss by 1 point to Tennessee on the road?

 

Not really....theyre roughly equivalent...so MSUs resume didnt jump significantly today

 

Sorry, I can't follow you there. There's something to be said for the relativity between bad wins and good losses, but you can't weight them equally like that, it's the fundamental purpose of the sport.

 

sure you can. we're talking about predicting who is better. in terms of future performance, theyre identical.

 

This may sound crazy, but why are we talking about predicting future performance? Ranking the teams should be a reflection of what has happened, not what the percentages are moving forward.

[Derwood]

There you guys go again treating the world as wins and losses. The dumb politically correct bcs has messed you guys up. Is a 4 point win at home against Penn State more impressive than a loss by 1 point to Tennessee on the road?

 

Not really....theyre roughly equivalent...so MSUs resume didnt jump significantly today

 

Sorry, I can't follow you there. There's something to be said for the relativity between bad wins and good losses, but you can't weight them equally like that, it's the fundamental purpose of the sport.

 

sure you can. we're talking about predicting who is better. in terms of future performance, theyre identical.

 

This may sound crazy, but why are we talking about predicting future performance? Ranking the teams should be a reflection of what has happened, not what the percentages are moving forward.

 

that would ruin Meph's theory

[Mephistopheles]

There you guys go again treating the world as wins and losses. The dumb politically correct bcs has messed you guys up. Is a 4 point win at home against Penn State more impressive than a loss by 1 point to Tennessee on the road?

 

Not really....theyre roughly equivalent...so MSUs resume didnt jump significantly today

 

Sorry, I can't follow you there. There's something to be said for the relativity between bad wins and good losses, but you can't weight them equally like that, it's the fundamental purpose of the sport.

 

sure you can. we're talking about predicting who is better. in terms of future performance, theyre identical.

 

This may sound crazy, but why are we talking about predicting future performance? Ranking the teams should be a reflection of what has happened, not what the percentages are moving forward.

 

we're asking which teams is better. Which is more important? what theyve done or how good they are?

 

answer: how good they are