Help Jim Hendry Trade Jason Marquis

[HoopsCubs]

Marquis has 2 years and $16.2M left on his deal. It would seem that trading him would free up some necessary cash to get the additional bat (RF or SS) we need to improve this club. There does seem to be some indication that Hendry is contemplating moving him.

 

Is it easier said than done? Of course. But, I don't view trading him as an impossible task. And I'm not talking about the Cubs picking up the entire contract. I'm thinking there has to be a way to trade Marquis and pick up no more than $4 of the $16.2.

 

What are some of the ideas we can come up with to help Hendry?

 

E.g.: the Mets and Rockies look like they are looking for starters. The D-Rays and O's have talked about wanting a veteran who can pitch 190+ innings. Maybe the Yankees will be interested if Clemens and Pettitte both walk.

 

- Marquis and Jones for Damon

- Marquis and Cedeno for Tejada

- Marquis for Delgado (assuming the Mets get ARod and move Wright to 1B), and then the Cubs flip Delgado to the Angels for something good

 

 

Hoops

[E.J.]

I think Marquis playing for the Yankees would be hilarious. Of course, he'd need to hire a full-time body guard because Yankee fans would probably kill him.

 

I don't think it's going to be that easy trading Marquis without picking up quite a bit of his salary. Just another reason why Hendry needs to go. He keeps giving these outrageous contracts to crappy players instead of investing that money in actual talent.

[Derwood]

I think Marquis playing for the Yankees would be hilarious. Of course, he'd need to hire a full-time body guard because Yankee fans would probably kill him.

 

I don't think it's going to be that easy trading Marquis without picking up quite a bit of his salary. Just another reason why Hendry needs to go. He keeps giving these outrageous contracts to crappy players instead of investing that money in actual talent.

 

Marquis was no worse than some of the other losers the Yankees have trotted out there the past few years

[CubFanPhilly]

Marquis, Jones & Ohman for J.D. Drew.

[Backtobanks]

You say the Rays want a veteran starter that can give them 190+ innings:

 

Marquis, Veal, Cedeno for Crawford.

[CuseCubFan69]

Marquis, Jones & Ohman for J.D. Drew.

 

That doesn't help that much for salary relief, does it?

[CubFanPhilly]

Marquis, Jones & Ohman for J.D. Drew.

 

That doesn't help that much for salary relief, does it?

 

No it doesn't. It's payroll neutral in 2008 and +$5 mil. in 2009. But I was looking for a creative way to unload Marquis and Jones while upgrading the offense a bit.

 

Marquis competes with Lester, Tavarez, Bucholz and Wakefield for their 4th/5th starter spots. Wakefield may not have much left in the tank. Bucholz had shoulder issues. Marquis is better than Lester or Tavarez. Looking closer though, I doubt the Red Sox would be interested in Ohman - they have two solid lefties in the pen.

 

Drew would be a risk, but he's a high OBP bat with some pop. I think he could he play some CF (at least at Wrigley). I'd play him full-time between CF/RF with Pie/Murton.

 

Maybe throw in a prospect or two instead of Ohman and ask for some cash in the deal.

[Post Count Padder]

Marquis, Jones, and Marshall to the Indians for Blake/ Peralta and Westbrook

[CuseCubFan69]

Marquis, Jones & Ohman for J.D. Drew.

 

That doesn't help that much for salary relief, does it?

 

No it doesn't. It's payroll neutral in 2008 and +$5 mil. in 2009. But I was looking for a creative way to unload Marquis and Jones while upgrading the offense a bit.

 

Marquis competes with Lester, Tavarez, Bucholz and Wakefield for their 4th/5th starter spots. Wakefield may not have much left in the tank. Bucholz had shoulder issues. Marquis is better than Lester or Tavarez. Looking closer though, I doubt the Red Sox would be interested in Ohman - they have two solid lefties in the pen.

 

Drew would be a risk, but he's a high OBP bat with some pop. I think he could he play some CF (at least at Wrigley). I'd play him full-time between CF/RF with Pie/Murton.

 

Maybe throw in a prospect or two instead of Ohman and ask for some cash in the deal.

 

Would you move Pie if this trade happened?

[CubFanPhilly]

Would you move Pie if this trade happened?

 

Perhaps. In a deal to net a significant upgrade at SS? Yes absolutely.

For example: Pie, Gallagher, Veal, Prior, & Cedeno for Tejada & Bedard

 

Payroll w/ Drew, Tejada, & Bedard (assuming ~$8 mil. in arbitration for Bedard), signing Wood to a $5 mil incentive-based deal, less Jones & Marquis, is roughly $118 mil. in '08. (Without assuming the Red Sox or Orioles give you any payroll relief in return.) The problem might be 2009, when (I believe) Bedard hits FA ($119 mil. committed w/o signing him).

 

Soriano

Lee

Tejada

Ramirez

Drew

De Rosa

Murton

Soto

 

Zambrano, Bedard, Lilly, Hill, Marshall/Marmol/Hart/et. al.

Dempster, Howry, Marmol, Wood, Wuertz, Eyre

Ward, Theriot, Blanco, Patterson, Fontenot/Fox/Craig/Hoffpauir

[CuseCubFan69]

Would you move Pie if this trade happened?

 

Perhaps. In a deal to net a significant upgrade at SS? Yes absolutely.

For example: Pie, Gallagher, Veal, Prior, & Cedeno for Tejada & Bedard

 

Payroll w/ Drew, Tejada, & Bedard (assuming ~$8 mil. in arbitration for Bedard), signing Wood to a $5 mil incentive-based deal, less Jones & Marquis, is roughly $118 mil. in '08. (Without assuming the Red Sox or Orioles give you any payroll relief in return.) The problem might be 2009, when (I believe) Bedard hits FA ($119 mil. committed w/o signing him).

 

Soriano

Lee

Tejada

Ramirez

Drew

De Rosa

Murton

Soto

 

Zambrano, Bedard, Lilly, Hill, Marshall/Marmol/Hart/et. al.

Dempster, Howry, Marmol, Wood, Wuertz, Eyre

Ward, Theriot, Blanco, Patterson, Fontenot/Fox/Craig/Hoffpauir

 

Is Patterson your backup CF? That would be one nice lineup but I'd slide Tejada down under Ramirez. If you have Z pitching it would make a heck of a 9 hitter wise.

[CubFanPhilly]

Would you move Pie if this trade happened?

 

Perhaps. In a deal to net a significant upgrade at SS? Yes absolutely.

For example: Pie, Gallagher, Veal, Prior, & Cedeno for Tejada & Bedard

 

Payroll w/ Drew, Tejada, & Bedard (assuming ~$8 mil. in arbitration for Bedard), signing Wood to a $5 mil incentive-based deal, less Jones & Marquis, is roughly $118 mil. in '08. (Without assuming the Red Sox or Orioles give you any payroll relief in return.) The problem might be 2009, when (I believe) Bedard hits FA ($119 mil. committed w/o signing him).

 

Soriano

Lee

Tejada

Ramirez

Drew

De Rosa

Murton

Soto

 

Zambrano, Bedard, Lilly, Hill, Marshall/Marmol/Hart/et. al.

Dempster, Howry, Marmol, Wood, Wuertz, Eyre

Ward, Theriot, Blanco, Patterson, Fontenot/Fox/Craig/Hoffpauir

 

Is Patterson your backup CF? That would be one nice lineup but I'd slide Tejada down under Ramirez. If you have Z pitching it would make a heck of a 9 hitter wise.

 

Yes, or Pagan in a pinch. Given Drew's durability track record, I'd rather keep Pie. Maybe subtract Bedard from the Baltimore deal and hold on to Pie and Prior or Veal.

[frostwyrm]

I don't see how Marquis can be dumped with us eating only $4M unless we take on a big pile of someone else's trash. Marquis makes $10M in 2009. That by itself is a dealbreaker for any sane GM. If we bundle Marquis with a prime prospect like Pie or Patterson then we might get by with eating only $4M, though I'm skeptical. Marquis's contract is just awful.

[javy knows my name]

I don't see how Marquis can be dumped with us eating only $4M unless we take on a big pile of someone else's trash. Marquis makes $10M in 2009. That by itself is a dealbreaker for any sane GM. If we bundle Marquis with a prime prospect like Pie or Patterson then we might get by with eating only $4M, though I'm skeptical. Marquis's contract is just awful.

 

The way Jim backloaded that contract makes me want to throw up. I agree, we should definitely not target any sane GMs :D

Also, excellent alliteration!

[CuseCubFan69]

I don't see how Marquis can be dumped with us eating only $4M unless we take on a big pile of someone else's trash. Marquis makes $10M in 2009. That by itself is a dealbreaker for any sane GM. If we bundle Marquis with a prime prospect like Pie or Patterson then we might get by with eating only $4M, though I'm skeptical. Marquis's contract is just awful.

 

The way Jim backloaded that contract makes me want to throw up. I agree, we should definitely not target any sane GMs :D

Also, excellent alliteration!

 

He back loaded it like a GM that might be fired soon.

[haltz]

Why is backloading it a bad idea?

[Derwood]

Why is backloading it a bad idea?

 

because the player is being paid the most when he is likely to be playing the worst, making him that much more impossible to trade

[haltz]

Why is backloading it a bad idea?

 

because the player is being paid the most when he is likely to be playing the worst, making him that much more impossible to trade

So you just eat some contract. The sum total doesn't change.

 

The only difference is you pay it later. Which would be a good thing from my understanding of money time value.

[Abe Frohman]

I really don't think we want J.D. Drew and the pricetag that comes along with him. Think about it. There is a LOT more that the Cubs can do with $14 a year.

 

Here is the breakdown of Drews contract:

 

2008 - $14 million

2009 - $14 million

2010 - $14 million

2011 - $14 million

 

**team has the right to void the deal after 2009 season if he sustains a baseball injury to his right shoulder that causes him to be on the DL for 35 days during the 2009 season.

 

**the team has the right to void the deal after 2009 season if he sustains a baseball injury to his right shoulder that causes him end the season on the DL and begin the 2010 season on the DL.

 

**team has the right to void the deal after the 2010 season if he sustains a baseball injury to his right shoulder that causes him to be placed on the DL for 35 days during 2010 season or if he ends the season on the DL and cannot begin the following season on the active roster

 

**before the contract can be voided, a group of 3 doctors (a team doctor, Drew's doctor and a third impartial doctor) must determine that the DL stint was the result of the exact right shoulder injury he has suffered in the past.

 

SOURCE - mlb4U.com

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Marquis + Jones for Pierre + Kemp

[CubFanPhilly]

I really don't think we want J.D. Drew and the pricetag that comes along with him. Think about it. There is a LOT more that the Cubs can do with $14 a year.

 

Of course the Cubs could spend $14 mil./year on better players than Drew. But the premise was unloading the $16 mil. still owed to Marquis. I also added the $6.33 owed to Jones to the deal.

 

Drew 14/14/14/14 (with the injury clauses providing some insurance)

or Jones+Marquis 12.7/Marquis 9.9

 

IMO Drew + (Gallagher, Hart, Marmol, Mateo, Dempster, or Prior) > Jones + Marquis

[Butterscup1679666578]

Marquis + Jones for Pierre + Kemp

 

wut

[Backtobanks]

Marquis, Dempster, Ohman to Reds for Griffey, Alex Gonzalez/Keppinger.

Deferred financial payments to Griffey settled between the clubs.

[HoopsCubs]

You say the Rays want a veteran starter that can give them 190+ innings:

 

Marquis, Veal, Cedeno for Crawford.

 

What if they asked for Marquis, Marshall and Pie?

[CubFanPhilly]

You say the Rays want a veteran starter that can give them 190+ innings:

 

Marquis, Veal, Cedeno for Crawford.

 

What if they asked for Marquis, Marshall and Pie?

 

I'd say no, but how about Marquis, Marshall and Cedeno?