The Kobe thread (Formerly Kobe to be traded by Oct 30)

[Flames24Rulz]

I wasn't even upset when I saw the final score tonight. But when I read the recap, I was steamed. How can you take out all of your starters with NINE minutes remaining in the THIRD quarter and NEVER let them come back into the game? I'm sick of Skiles' crappy way in how he runs this team like a college team. His time has come and Paxson needs to make a move. There is no identity to this team. And the way his offense has played should be absolutely embarrassing to Paxson.

 

And for what it's worth, the Kobe chants were back tonight.

Did you see the starters lines? Not really sure they deserved to be on the floor tonight.

 

Deng 22 mins 2-8 shooting 1 assist 2 steals 2 turnovers 5 points

Thomas 12 mins 2-5 shooting 1 Rebound 1 TO 3 Fouls

Wallace 18 mins 0-0 shooting 5 boards 1 steal 1 assist 1 TO 0 points

Gordon 24 mins 4-10 shooting 1-4 from 3 1 board 1 assist 1 TO 11 points

Hinrich 17 mins 0-6 shooting(worthless) 0-3 from 3 4 boards 4 assists 3 steals 2 TO's 3 fouls

 

That is horrible production from a teams starting 5

 

Gordon and Tyrus' lines weren't too bad to warrant a benching for the rest of the game.

 

I just really think Hinrich is the key to the Bulls success or failure. When he is good, the Bulls do good. But when he is awful, the Bulls usually lose the game. IMO, teams have figured this out. They're attacking Hinrich, hoping he gets in foul trouble. He is easily rattled when he does get in foul trouble as he not only gets pissed, but he tries to do too much with the ball and shoots either terrible shots or forces bad passes. The only game he did good in was the only game that we won. I don't really think it's a coincidence. For a 5th year player to not improve at all since he has come into the league is downright pathetic.

[Keener98]

I wasn't even upset when I saw the final score tonight. But when I read the recap, I was steamed. How can you take out all of your starters with NINE minutes remaining in the THIRD quarter and NEVER let them come back into the game? I'm sick of Skiles' crappy way in how he runs this team like a college team. His time has come and Paxson needs to make a move. There is no identity to this team. And the way his offense has played should be absolutely embarrassing to Paxson.

 

And for what it's worth, the Kobe chants were back tonight.

Did you see the starters lines? Not really sure they deserved to be on the floor tonight.

 

Deng 22 mins 2-8 shooting 1 assist 2 steals 2 turnovers 5 points

Thomas 12 mins 2-5 shooting 1 Rebound 1 TO 3 Fouls

Wallace 18 mins 0-0 shooting 5 boards 1 steal 1 assist 1 TO 0 points

Gordon 24 mins 4-10 shooting 1-4 from 3 1 board 1 assist 1 TO 11 points

Hinrich 17 mins 0-6 shooting(worthless) 0-3 from 3 4 boards 4 assists 3 steals 2 TO's 3 fouls

 

That is horrible production from a teams starting 5

 

Gordon and Tyrus' lines weren't too bad to warrant a benching for the rest of the game.

 

I just really think Hinrich is the key to the Bulls success or failure. When he is good, the Bulls do good. But when he is awful, the Bulls usually lose the game. IMO, teams have figured this out. They're attacking Hinrich, hoping he gets in foul trouble. He is easily rattled when he does get in foul trouble as he not only gets pissed, but he tries to do too much with the ball and shoots either terrible shots or forces bad passes. The only game he did good in was the only game that we won. I don't really think it's a coincidence. For a 5th year player to not improve at all since he has come into the league is downright pathetic.

 

Agreed about Hinrich, hes been pathetic this year. Gordons shooting has been downright awful this year so far. Thomas's line isnt that great and the 3 fouls in 12 mins isnt good. Wallace has been abysmal, and Deng has started out poorly as well. I dont understand what it is about Skiles teams that they start out terrible every year. Paxson HAS to do something with this team, he just cant stand pat.

[Careless]

I wasn't even upset when I saw the final score tonight. But when I read the recap, I was steamed. How can you take out all of your starters with NINE minutes remaining in the THIRD quarter and NEVER let them come back into the game? I'm sick of Skiles' crappy way in how he runs this team like a college team. His time has come and Paxson needs to make a move. There is no identity to this team. And the way his offense has played should be absolutely embarrassing to Paxson.

 

And for what it's worth, the Kobe chants were back tonight.

Did you see the starters lines? Not really sure they deserved to be on the floor tonight.

 

Deng 22 mins 2-8 shooting 1 assist 2 steals 2 turnovers 5 points

Thomas 12 mins 2-5 shooting 1 Rebound 1 TO 3 Fouls

Wallace 18 mins 0-0 shooting 5 boards 1 steal 1 assist 1 TO 0 points

Gordon 24 mins 4-10 shooting 1-4 from 3 1 board 1 assist 1 TO 11 points

Hinrich 17 mins 0-6 shooting(worthless) 0-3 from 3 4 boards 4 assists 3 steals 2 TO's 3 fouls

 

That is horrible production from a teams starting 5

 

Gordon and Tyrus' lines weren't too bad to warrant a benching for the rest of the game.

 

I just really think Hinrich is the key to the Bulls success or failure. When he is good, the Bulls do good. But when he is awful, the Bulls usually lose the game. IMO, teams have figured this out. They're attacking Hinrich, hoping he gets in foul trouble. He is easily rattled when he does get in foul trouble as he not only gets pissed, but he tries to do too much with the ball and shoots either terrible shots or forces bad passes. The only game he did good in was the only game that we won. I don't really think it's a coincidence. For a 5th year player to not improve at all since he has come into the league is downright pathetic.

 

What Skiles said after the game was "if I only take out a few of the starters, then the ones who don't get pulled feel like it's not their fault this team has been playing so poorly" (paraphrased).

[Soul]

This team is crap. Wait 'til the roadtrip. You think it's bad now.

[Flames24Rulz]

This team is crap. Wait 'til the roadtrip. You think it's bad now.

 

Our best case scenario is 2-10 after the circus trip. That's sad.

[Flames24Rulz]

This team is crap. Wait 'til the roadtrip. You think it's bad now.

 

Our best case scenario is 2-10 after the circus trip. That's sad.

[Guest]

I wasn't even upset when I saw the final score tonight. But when I read the recap, I was steamed. How can you take out all of your starters with NINE minutes remaining in the THIRD quarter and NEVER let them come back into the game? I'm sick of Skiles' crappy way in how he runs this team like a college team. His time has come and Paxson needs to make a move. There is no identity to this team. And the way his offense has played should be absolutely embarrassing to Paxson.

 

And for what it's worth, the Kobe chants were back tonight.

Did you see the starters lines? Not really sure they deserved to be on the floor tonight.

 

Deng 22 mins 2-8 shooting 1 assist 2 steals 2 turnovers 5 points

Thomas 12 mins 2-5 shooting 1 Rebound 1 TO 3 Fouls

Wallace 18 mins 0-0 shooting 5 boards 1 steal 1 assist 1 TO 0 points

Gordon 24 mins 4-10 shooting 1-4 from 3 1 board 1 assist 1 TO 11 points

Hinrich 17 mins 0-6 shooting(worthless) 0-3 from 3 4 boards 4 assists 3 steals 2 TO's 3 fouls

 

That is horrible production from a teams starting 5

 

Gordon and Tyrus' lines weren't too bad to warrant a benching for the rest of the game.

 

I just really think Hinrich is the key to the Bulls success or failure. When he is good, the Bulls do good. But when he is awful, the Bulls usually lose the game. IMO, teams have figured this out. They're attacking Hinrich, hoping he gets in foul trouble. He is easily rattled when he does get in foul trouble as he not only gets pissed, but he tries to do too much with the ball and shoots either terrible shots or forces bad passes. The only game he did good in was the only game that we won. I don't really think it's a coincidence. For a 5th year player to not improve at all since he has come into the league is downright pathetic.

 

You really don't think Hinrich has improved from when he came into the league?

[Keener98]

I wasn't even upset when I saw the final score tonight. But when I read the recap, I was steamed. How can you take out all of your starters with NINE minutes remaining in the THIRD quarter and NEVER let them come back into the game? I'm sick of Skiles' crappy way in how he runs this team like a college team. His time has come and Paxson needs to make a move. There is no identity to this team. And the way his offense has played should be absolutely embarrassing to Paxson.

 

And for what it's worth, the Kobe chants were back tonight.

Did you see the starters lines? Not really sure they deserved to be on the floor tonight.

 

Deng 22 mins 2-8 shooting 1 assist 2 steals 2 turnovers 5 points

Thomas 12 mins 2-5 shooting 1 Rebound 1 TO 3 Fouls

Wallace 18 mins 0-0 shooting 5 boards 1 steal 1 assist 1 TO 0 points

Gordon 24 mins 4-10 shooting 1-4 from 3 1 board 1 assist 1 TO 11 points

Hinrich 17 mins 0-6 shooting(worthless) 0-3 from 3 4 boards 4 assists 3 steals 2 TO's 3 fouls

 

That is horrible production from a teams starting 5

 

Gordon and Tyrus' lines weren't too bad to warrant a benching for the rest of the game.

 

I just really think Hinrich is the key to the Bulls success or failure. When he is good, the Bulls do good. But when he is awful, the Bulls usually lose the game. IMO, teams have figured this out. They're attacking Hinrich, hoping he gets in foul trouble. He is easily rattled when he does get in foul trouble as he not only gets pissed, but he tries to do too much with the ball and shoots either terrible shots or forces bad passes. The only game he did good in was the only game that we won. I don't really think it's a coincidence. For a 5th year player to not improve at all since he has come into the league is downright pathetic.

 

You really don't think Hinrich has improved from when he came into the league?

 

Maybe his D, but his shooting his horrible, and his ball handing is mediocre at best.

[Flames24Rulz]

I wasn't even upset when I saw the final score tonight. But when I read the recap, I was steamed. How can you take out all of your starters with NINE minutes remaining in the THIRD quarter and NEVER let them come back into the game? I'm sick of Skiles' crappy way in how he runs this team like a college team. His time has come and Paxson needs to make a move. There is no identity to this team. And the way his offense has played should be absolutely embarrassing to Paxson.

 

And for what it's worth, the Kobe chants were back tonight.

Did you see the starters lines? Not really sure they deserved to be on the floor tonight.

 

Deng 22 mins 2-8 shooting 1 assist 2 steals 2 turnovers 5 points

Thomas 12 mins 2-5 shooting 1 Rebound 1 TO 3 Fouls

Wallace 18 mins 0-0 shooting 5 boards 1 steal 1 assist 1 TO 0 points

Gordon 24 mins 4-10 shooting 1-4 from 3 1 board 1 assist 1 TO 11 points

Hinrich 17 mins 0-6 shooting(worthless) 0-3 from 3 4 boards 4 assists 3 steals 2 TO's 3 fouls

 

That is horrible production from a teams starting 5

 

Gordon and Tyrus' lines weren't too bad to warrant a benching for the rest of the game.

 

I just really think Hinrich is the key to the Bulls success or failure. When he is good, the Bulls do good. But when he is awful, the Bulls usually lose the game. IMO, teams have figured this out. They're attacking Hinrich, hoping he gets in foul trouble. He is easily rattled when he does get in foul trouble as he not only gets pissed, but he tries to do too much with the ball and shoots either terrible shots or forces bad passes. The only game he did good in was the only game that we won. I don't really think it's a coincidence. For a 5th year player to not improve at all since he has come into the league is downright pathetic.

 

You really don't think Hinrich has improved from when he came into the league?

 

No, I don't. His shooting has improved a little bit, but it still should be better for his role. He still turns the ball over a lot for a PG. The one thing that he should have been able to improve on was his foul trouble. That hasn't changed at all. A guard should not be in risk of fouling out in every game.

[Keener98]

Apparently the Pistons and Lakers agreed to a trade involving Kobe, but Kobe nixed it. The reported deal was Prince, Hamilton, Amir Johnson, and a 1st round pick for Kobe. Kobe doesnt want to play in Detroit though. It really seems like Kobe wants to go to 1 place, and 1 place only.

 

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/49207/20071115/lakers_and_pistons_agreed_to_kobe_trade/