G.R.I.T.F.actor

[Derwood]

im on this, will have a formula and rankings shortly.

 

YES!

[Skyballer]

im on this, will have a formula and rankings shortly.

Is it just me, or has it been a while since we've seen you.

 

EDIT:I haven't been posting much so that might be the problem.

[Skyballer]

im on this, will have a formula and rankings shortly.

 

YES!

[Mephistopheles]

I was banned because people moaned and groaned about me.

[Skyballer]

I was banned because people moaned and groaned about me.

Are you serious?

How long of a ban was it?

[Mephistopheles]

Longer than it probably would have been if Tim and 1908 checked their emails. It was only a few days after they did that before I was unbanned. It only took them three weeks to check them!

[Guest]

I didn't think gritty players took or fouled off pitches. well, they certainly don't take them so maybe you should use swing percentage rather than p/pa?

[Skyballer]

Longer than it probably would have been if Tim and 1908 checked their emails. It was only a few days after they did that before I was unbanned. It only took them three weeks to check them!

No kidding, nothing against Tim, but I swear it takes the guy years to check PM's.

[Mephistopheles]

Tim answers my PMs relatively quickly. Usually the next time he's on.

[frostwyrm]

Bonus for skinning elbow on a slide(SkE). Big bonus if blood actually trickles down forearm or somehow creates a noticeable red spot on uniform(VB: visible bleeding).

[VanceJergins]

I didn't think gritty players took or fouled off pitches. well, they certainly don't take them so maybe you should use swing percentage rather than p/pa?

 

I agree with this. Juan Pierre definitely doesn't get his GRIT by seeing a lot of pitches. Go up there hackin, dude. I think swing % would definitely be good.

 

Also, there are GRITy players of different races, but being white definitely helps. Maybe work in a skin color metric. The lighter the skin, the higher the number and then multiply that number by something.

 

I also think the BA w/ RISP should include with 2 outs. Any Manny Ramirez oaf can knock runners in with 0 or 1 out, but the GRITiest come through with 2 outs.

 

Just some thoughts.

[NewUserName]

How many times a player gets banned from a message board. It dont get much grittier than that.

 

Also how many times they are referred to as a "ballplayer" or "old school"

[Outshined_One]

How can we work facial hair into the metric? Is it an intangible tangible or a tangible intangible?

 

David Eckstein looks like he's 12, so that automatically disqualifies this.

 

sb?

 

sb%?

 

CS works better, imo. The higher, the better.

[imb]

google search "player name plays the game the right way" and add how many hits you get into the stat somewhere.

[Vanilla Ice]

google search "player name plays the game the right way" and add how many hits you get into the stat somewhere.

 

64,700 for Theriot

75,200 for Fontenot

196,000 for Eckstein

418,000 for Manny Ramirez

 

Does not quite work

[wolf stansson]

google search "player name plays the game the right way" and add how many hits you get into the stat somewhere.

 

64,700 for Theriot

75,200 for Fontenot

196,000 for Eckstein

418,000 for Manny Ramirez

 

Does not quite work

Well Manny Ramirez is much more famous than those guys and would thusly inflate results. Also all those could say Manny Ramirez is a player who does not play the game the right way.

 

I think imb's google/outside praise stat is going to be kind of like defensive metrics. We know they are important we just don't have a reliably accurate one.

 

Dudes like Adam Everett pass the eyeball test for defense. Dudes like Eckstein pass the ear test because we all hear how gritty, hard working and what talent maximizers they are.

[wolf stansson]

BTW:

 

David Eckstein + Grit = 16000 hits

Theriot = 425

Manny Ramirez = 16,900 hits

 

Obviously overall fame still skews, but not as much.

[imb]

google search "player name plays the game the right way" and add how many hits you get into the stat somewhere.

 

64,700 for Theriot

75,200 for Fontenot

196,000 for Eckstein

418,000 for Manny Ramirez

 

Does not quite work

 

Maybe the internet is smarter than we think, since technically, Manny does play the game the right way and those honkies do not.

[treebird]

BTW:

 

David Eckstein + Grit = 16000 hits

Theriot = 425

Manny Ramirez = 16,900 hits

 

Obviously overall fame still skews, but not as much.

 

"ryan theriot" = 169,000

"david eckstein" = 303,000

"manny ramirez" = 1,360,000

 

 

"ryan theriot" grit = 287

"david eckstein" grit = 684

"manny ramirez" grit = 12,000

 

google's grit ratio (no grit hits divided by grit hits)

 

theriot = 588

eckstein = 442

ramirez = 113

[snoodmonger]

The way I look at it, a LOW Line Drive % should INCREASE GRITFactor. I mean, these are guys getting on by any means possible. Duck snorts, dribblers in the hole, seeing-eye grounders. SLOW rollers that are fielded but beaten out via pure frakking hustle. A guy with a high GRITFactor rarely hits the ball hard because, well, he's not that good. Besides, he brings other things to the table.

[treebird]

The way I look at it, a LOW Line Drive % should INCREASE GRITFactor. I mean, these are guys getting on by any means possible. Duck snorts, dribblers in the hole, seeing-eye grounders. SLOW rollers that are fielded but beaten out via pure frakking hustle. A guy with a high GRITFactor rarely hits the ball hard because, well, he's not that good. Besides, he brings other things to the table.

 

don't forget routine flyballs where the hitter wills the center fielder to fall down

[snoodmonger]

The way I look at it, a LOW Line Drive % should INCREASE GRITFactor. I mean, these are guys getting on by any means possible. Duck snorts, dribblers in the hole, seeing-eye grounders. SLOW rollers that are fielded but beaten out via pure frakking hustle. A guy with a high GRITFactor rarely hits the ball hard because, well, he's not that good. Besides, he brings other things to the table.

 

don't forget routine flyballs where the hitter wills the center fielder to fall down

 

I saw a kid in the independent Northern league (grittiest kid I've ever clapped an eye on, FWIW) place a routine flyball right between two fielders so they'd purposely collide and let the ball drop.

 

32 years watching the game, the grittiest play I've ever seen.

[treebird]

The way I look at it, a LOW Line Drive % should INCREASE GRITFactor. I mean, these are guys getting on by any means possible. Duck snorts, dribblers in the hole, seeing-eye grounders. SLOW rollers that are fielded but beaten out via pure frakking hustle. A guy with a high GRITFactor rarely hits the ball hard because, well, he's not that good. Besides, he brings other things to the table.

 

don't forget routine flyballs where the hitter wills the center fielder to fall down

 

I saw a kid in the independent Northern league (grittiest kid I've ever clapped an eye on, FWIW) place a routine flyball right between two fielders so they'd purposely collide and let the ball drop.

 

32 years watching the game, the grittiest play I've ever seen.

 

pete rose was a hell of a player

[snoodmonger]

The way I look at it, a LOW Line Drive % should INCREASE GRITFactor. I mean, these are guys getting on by any means possible. Duck snorts, dribblers in the hole, seeing-eye grounders. SLOW rollers that are fielded but beaten out via pure frakking hustle. A guy with a high GRITFactor rarely hits the ball hard because, well, he's not that good. Besides, he brings other things to the table.

 

don't forget routine flyballs where the hitter wills the center fielder to fall down

 

I saw a kid in the independent Northern league (grittiest kid I've ever clapped an eye on, FWIW) place a routine flyball right between two fielders so they'd purposely collide and let the ball drop.

 

32 years watching the game, the grittiest play I've ever seen.

 

pete rose was a hell of a player

 

Damn straight. Never left a game with a clean uniform. You can throw stats at me till the rooster crows; all I need to see is a guy's uniform after the game to know if he's playing the game right.

[Sammy Sofa]

How can we work facial hair into the metric? Is it an intangible tangible or a tangible intangible?

 

David Eckstein looks like he's 12, so that automatically disqualifies this.

 

Do we need to calrify any kind of difference between "veteran GRIT" and "young GRIT?" If you've got Womack and Burnitz et al on one end of the spectrum, Theriot and Fontenot are going to be all the way at the other end. When does the power of youth end and the wisdom of age take over?