G.R.I.T.F.actor

[USSoccer]

I've decided that the time is now to come up with a metric to measure the grittiness of a player compared to his peers. This is what I have so far:

 

# of IF hits + # of Sac Bunts * BA w/ RiSP. / height in inches.

 

So, if you had a player with 20 infield hits and 25 sac bunts, you take 45 and multiply it by, say .288, you would get 12.96. Let's assume this player is 5'8. You then divide it by 68 and you get a GRIT factor of .19.

 

So, the taller you are, and the fewer gritty type hits and bunts you made, and the less clutchy you are, the worse your GRIT factor will be. Like, if you're 6'5, with the same numbers, you get a GRIT factor of .16. Which means you can't be as gritty as a shorter player with the same skillset.

 

I'd like to work in other clutchy metrics, because, let's face it, there's a need to evaluate gritty grindy hustleballers sabermetrically. So what else should the formula include? HBP? Walks? Walk off hits? Years spent in minors?

 

I think we can do this. I think we can create an awesome metric here. I'm looking for feedback.

Edited October 16, 2007 by USSoccer

[fromthestretch]

I've decided that the time is now to come up with a metric to measure the grittiness of a player compared to his peers. This is what I have so far:

 

# of IF hits + # of Sac Bunts * BA w/ RiSP. / height in inches.

 

So, if you had a player with 20 infield hits and 25 sac bunts, you take 45 and multiply it by, say .288, you would get 12.96. Let's assume this player is 5'8. You then divide it by 68 and you get a GRIT factor of .19. Remember, the lower the GRIT factor, then better.

 

So, the taller you are, and the fewer gritty type hits and bunts you made, and the less clutchy you are, the worse your GRIT factor will be.

 

I'd like to work in other clutchy metrics, because, let's face it, there's a need to evaluate gritty grindy hustleballers sabermetrically. So what else should the formula include? HBP? Walks? Walk off hits? Years spent in minors?

 

I think we can do this. I think we can create an awesome metric here. I'm looking for feedback.

 

HBP definitely needs to be included.

 

Also, if possible, number of foul balls per plate appearance...because gritty players can apparently fight off pitches.

 

Edited to add: a lower GRIT factor would be bad. In the scenario you painted, a player who is 72 inches tall would have a lower grit factor than a shorter player.

Edited October 16, 2007 by grassbass

[Rob]

BA w/ RISP isn't good enough. BA w/ RISP in the 7th inning or later in games within 2 runs, maybe?

[USSoccer]

BA w/ RISP isn't good enough. BA w/ RISP in the 7th inning or later in games within 2 runs, maybe?

 

Close/Late stats don't tell the whole story. This is clutchiness, remember? Clutchiness knows no specific stage of the game.

[USSoccer]

I've decided that the time is now to come up with a metric to measure the grittiness of a player compared to his peers. This is what I have so far:

 

# of IF hits + # of Sac Bunts * BA w/ RiSP. / height in inches.

 

So, if you had a player with 20 infield hits and 25 sac bunts, you take 45 and multiply it by, say .288, you would get 12.96. Let's assume this player is 5'8. You then divide it by 68 and you get a GRIT factor of .19. Remember, the lower the GRIT factor, then better.

 

So, the taller you are, and the fewer gritty type hits and bunts you made, and the less clutchy you are, the worse your GRIT factor will be.

 

I'd like to work in other clutchy metrics, because, let's face it, there's a need to evaluate gritty grindy hustleballers sabermetrically. So what else should the formula include? HBP? Walks? Walk off hits? Years spent in minors?

 

I think we can do this. I think we can create an awesome metric here. I'm looking for feedback.

 

HBP definitely needs to be included.

 

Also, if possible, number of foul balls per plate appearance...because gritty players can apparently fight off pitches.

 

Edited to add: a lower GRIT factor would be bad. In the scenario you painted, a player who is 72 inches tall would have a lower grit factor than a shorter player.

 

Ahhhhhh. You're right. I'll edit the original post.

[MSG T]

I've decided that the time is now to come up with a metric to measure the grittiness of a player compared to his peers. This is what I have so far:

 

# of IF hits + # of Sac Bunts * BA w/ RiSP. / height in inches.

 

So, if you had a player with 20 infield hits and 25 sac bunts, you take 45 and multiply it by, say .288, you would get 12.96. Let's assume this player is 5'8. You then divide it by 68 and you get a GRIT factor of .19.

 

So, the taller you are, and the fewer gritty type hits and bunts you made, and the less clutchy you are, the worse your GRIT factor will be. Like, if you're 6'5, with the same numbers, you get a GRIT factor of .16. Which means you can't be as gritty as a shorter player with the same skillset.

 

I'd like to work in other clutchy metrics, because, let's face it, there's a need to evaluate gritty grindy hustleballers sabermetrically. So what else should the formula include? HBP? Walks? Walk off hits? Years spent in minors?

 

I think we can do this. I think we can create an awesome metric here. I'm looking for feedback.

 

You've got to figure out a way to incorporate running out grounders, cause you know, hustling adds a hit or two every 3-4 years.

[BeerHere]

# of games played while injured?

amount of dirt on the uniform?

 

 

ok I got nothing

[Guest]

How about the number of times a player dives into first base?

 

EDIT: I realize this isn't a stat that is kept but dammit it should be.

Edited October 16, 2007 by soccer10k

[Soul]

So there's IF hits, sacs, HBP, height.

 

How do we incorporate "driving in runs with your glove," a true sign of grittiness?

[USSoccer]

IF Hits + Sac Bunts + HBP * BA w/ RiSP /Height (inches)=GRIT

 

This is what I have so far.

 

What else can we include? We must quantify the intangible. Should we include a bonus point for not replacing your hat/helmet during the season?

[jersey cubs fan]

I've decided that the time is now to come up with a metric to measure the grittiness of a player compared to his peers. This is what I have so far:

 

# of IF hits + # of Sac Bunts * BA w/ RiSP. / height in inches.

 

So, if you had a player with 20 infield hits and 25 sac bunts, you take 45 and multiply it by, say .288, you would get 12.96. Let's assume this player is 5'8. You then divide it by 68 and you get a GRIT factor of .19.

 

So, the taller you are, and the fewer gritty type hits and bunts you made, and the less clutchy you are, the worse your GRIT factor will be. Like, if you're 6'5, with the same numbers, you get a GRIT factor of .16. Which means you can't be as gritty as a shorter player with the same skillset.

 

I'd like to work in other clutchy metrics, because, let's face it, there's a need to evaluate gritty grindy hustleballers sabermetrically. So what else should the formula include? HBP? Walks? Walk off hits? Years spent in minors?

 

I think we can do this. I think we can create an awesome metric here. I'm looking for feedback.

 

I don't think the difference between .19 and .16 really lets the fan realize just how wide the disparity is between the grittiness of those two players. There needs to be a multiplier in there somewhere to really expand on the difference. Also perhaps their should be some added factors, like whether or not the player participated in the college world series, the numbers of chances this player was NOT given to make it in baseball, the number of teams players that were chosen before this player in the draft, and the number of articles written about the player in which the writer derided those who made jokes about the players' height, only to put those same jokes in the article.

[USSoccer]

I don't think the difference between .19 and .16 really lets the fan realize just how wide the disparity is between the grittiness of those two players. There needs to be a multiplier in there somewhere to really expand on the difference. Also perhaps their should be some added factors, like whether or not the player participated in the college world series, the numbers of chances this player was NOT given to make it in baseball, the number of teams players that were chosen before this player in the draft, and the number of articles written about the player in which the writer derided those who made jokes about the players' height, only to put those same jokes in the article.

 

Ok.

 

IF Hits+Sacrifices+Years in minors before debut+Round in which drafted*BA w/ RiSP/Height in Inches + multipliers (1 (Dirty Helmet Multiplier) + 2 CWS Participant +# of teams played for before ML Debut)

[Soul]

IF Hits + Sac Bunts + HBP * BA w/ RiSP /Height (inches)=GRIT

 

This is what I have so far.

 

What else can we include? We must quantify the intangible. Should we include a bonus point for not replacing your hat/helmet during the season?

 

# of foul balls with 2 strikes? I'm looking for that "pest" factor.

 

I wish we could quantify # of starts over a better, younger, player. Difficult to do though.

[USSoccer]

IF Hits + Sac Bunts + HBP * BA w/ RiSP /Height (inches)=GRIT

 

This is what I have so far.

 

What else can we include? We must quantify the intangible. Should we include a bonus point for not replacing your hat/helmet during the season?

 

# of foul balls with 2 strikes? I'm looking for that "pest" factor.

 

I wish we could quantify # of starts over a better, younger, player. Difficult to do though.

 

IF Hits+Sacrifices+ P/PA+Years in minors before debut+Round in which drafted*BA w/ RiSP/Height in Inches + multipliers (1 (Dirty Helmet Multiplier) + 2 CWS Participant +# of teams played for before ML Debut)

 

I've included P/PA to account for the pest factor.

[treebird]

GRIT needs to stand for something too, so it can be G.R.I.T.

 

Guys who Relish InTangibles

 

something like that

[imb]

GRIT needs to stand for something too, so it can be G.R.I.T.

 

Guys who Relish InTangibles

 

something like that

 

I like that.

 

I would think that if you didn't wear batting gloves, your G.R.I.T. would be higher.

[USSoccer]

GRIT needs to stand for something too, so it can be G.R.I.T.

 

Guys who Relish InTangibles

 

something like that

 

Oh, trust. I love the acronym.

 

It shall henceforth be known as G.R.I.T. Factor.

[treebird]

you could fudge it and make it GRITFactor

 

Golfing

Rarely

In

The

Fall

 

these dudes always play deep into the postseason

[USSoccer]

GRIT needs to stand for something too, so it can be G.R.I.T.

 

Guys who Relish InTangibles

 

something like that

 

I like that.

 

I would think that if you didn't wear batting gloves, your G.R.I.T. would be higher.

 

UPDATED G.R.I.T.F.actor

 

IF Hits+Sacrifices+ P/PA+Years in minors before debut+Round in which drafted*BA w/ RiSP/Height in Inches + multipliers (1 (Dirty Helmet Multiplier) + 2 CWS Participant +# of teams played for before ML Debut -1 for wearing batting gloves)

 

Added mulitplier for batting gloves. Actually, I just subtract 1 for wearing them, since true G.R.I.T. types should never wear them.

[javy knows my name]

IF Hits + Sac Bunts + HBP * BA w/ RiSP /Height (inches)=GRIT

 

This is what I have so far.

 

What else can we include? We must quantify the intangible. Should we include a bonus point for not replacing your hat/helmet during the season?

 

# of foul balls with 2 strikes? I'm looking for that "pest" factor.

 

I wish we could quantify # of starts over a better, younger, player. Difficult to do though.

 

How about a calculation for reverse VORP? The gritty player in question is assumed as an average replacement-level player and his rVORP would be the inverse of the VORP of the more talented, higher-ceilinged player he's blocking.

I would also consider introducing "loss-shares."

Thoughts?

[Soul]

IF Hits + Sac Bunts + HBP * BA w/ RiSP /Height (inches)=GRIT

 

This is what I have so far.

 

What else can we include? We must quantify the intangible. Should we include a bonus point for not replacing your hat/helmet during the season?

 

# of foul balls with 2 strikes? I'm looking for that "pest" factor.

 

I wish we could quantify # of starts over a better, younger, player. Difficult to do though.

 

IF Hits+Sacrifices+ P/PA+Years in minors before debut+Round in which drafted*BA w/ RiSP/Height in Inches + multipliers (1 (Dirty Helmet Multiplier) + 2 CWS Participant +# of teams played for before ML Debut)

 

I've included P/PA to account for the pest factor.

 

Oh, that's getting damn close now. Someone will have to do a front page article or recruit Bruce to give it some polish.

[treebird]

there should be a multiplier for guys who played hockey or football in high school or college too

 

it doesn't matter if they were punters though. if anything it makes them better.

[USSoccer]

there should be a multiplier for guys who played hockey or football in high school or college too

 

it doesn't matter if they were punters though. if anything it makes them better.

 

IF Hits+Sacrifices+ P/PA+Years in minors before debut+Round in which drafted*BA w/ RiSP/Height in Inches + multipliers (1 (Dirty Helmet Multiplier) + 2 CWS Participant +# of teams played for before ML Debut -1 for wearing batting gloves+5 If played 2 or more sports in college)

 

Updated for multi sport athletes.

 

This is getting very close to perfection. BP better watch out.

[treebird]

This is getting very close to perfection. BP better get ready to pay out.

 

fixed

 

i say we all start voting shares for how we're going to divide up the sweet cash we'll make when we sell this baby to the highest bidder

[bukie]

You may have to play around with the weights given to specific things.

 

You'll know it's right when Eckstein leads for his career.

 

Plus, I would think the opposite of VORP would be VURP.