0-2 comebacks in LDS play

[nilodnayr]

time to get to work on getting a-rod

 

With what money? and whose?

 

I think "getting a-rod" is code speak for "hitting the sauce HARD"

 

I don't think A-Rod will be avaliable this winter unless we take him down off the cross the NY fans will crucify him on.

 

There's a very good chance ARod will exercise the opt out clause in his contract this offseason and become a free agent.

 

And, if he does, the Yanks have come out and said that they won't re-sign him. Who knows if that will really be the case, but that's what they came out and said.

 

What makes you think there's a very good chance? The Yanks would be idiots to throw away the $21M+ that Texas is paying ARod.

 

What do you mean? If AROD opts out he's a free agent and his previous contract is void. So Texas wouldn't be paying the Yanks anything. Right?

Right, thats the point, the Yanks can offer $21M more in an extention than any other team can offer and would only still be paying the same as any other team.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Right, thats the point, the Yanks can offer $21M more in an extention than any other team can offer and would only still be paying the same as any other team.

 

maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think an extension works that way

[nilodnayr]

time to get to work on getting a-rod

 

With what money? and whose?

 

I think "getting a-rod" is code speak for "hitting the sauce HARD"

 

I don't think A-Rod will be avaliable this winter unless we take him down off the cross the NY fans will crucify him on.

 

There's a very good chance ARod will exercise the opt out clause in his contract this offseason and become a free agent.

 

And, if he does, the Yanks have come out and said that they won't re-sign him. Who knows if that will really be the case, but that's what they came out and said.

 

What makes you think there's a very good chance? The Yanks would be idiots to throw away the $21M+ that Texas is paying ARod.

 

What do you mean? If AROD opts out he's a free agent and his previous contract is void. So Texas wouldn't be paying the Yanks anything. Right?

 

Well, they could work out an extension with ARod and keep the old contract and, thus, keep the Ranger money.

 

But if ARod thinks he'll get more no the open market and isn't happy in NY (there's reason to believe both), I don't see why he wouldn't opt out.

 

 

Alex Rodriguez-3B- Yankees Sep. 27 - 10:24 am et

 

In the post-game celebration after the Yankees clinched a playoff spot Wednesday, Alex Rodriguez, who can opt out of his deal after the season, hinted he wants to stay in New York.

 

"This feels like home. It's hard to believe that I played for another two organizations. So much has happened to me here - adversity, some success - that I feel like anything but New York feels weird for me now," Rodriguez said. Perhaps that was just the champagne talking, but this is the clearest indication yet that A-Rod will remain a Yankee in 2008.

Source: Lower Hudson Online

[C.C.]

Right, thats the point, the Yanks can offer $21M more in an extention than any other team can offer and would only still be paying the same as any other team.

 

maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think an extension works that way

 

That's what I'm not clear about. Isn't the old contract torn up for a new one?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Right, thats the point, the Yanks can offer $21M more in an extention than any other team can offer and would only still be paying the same as any other team.

 

maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think an extension works that way

 

That's what I'm not clear about. Isn't the old contract torn up for a new one?

 

I believe so. I think the extension is a new contract replacing the old in the number of years and dollars the player is signed, not just an amendment to the current contract.

[cybercub]

While I sometimes take issue with the stat-o-centric, all-unquantifiable-events-are-luck mindset of this board (even as a math major), I will say that since joining this group I have become a much more knowledgeable baseball fan. I won't be on the boards Saturday, because I'll be at the game. But it's been great learning from all of the other posters on this board this year. Whatever happens, I really enjoyed it, and I look forward to more baseball conversations in the future.

 

I'll definately second that.

[minnesotacubsfan]

While I sometimes take issue with the stat-o-centric, all-unquantifiable-events-are-luck mindset of this board (even as a math major), I will say that since joining this group I have become a much more knowledgeable baseball fan. I won't be on the boards Saturday, because I'll be at the game. But it's been great learning from all of the other posters on this board this year. Whatever happens, I really enjoyed it, and I look forward to more baseball conversations in the future.

 

I'll definately second that.

 

this sounds like a suicide note

[nilodnayr]

Right, thats the point, the Yanks can offer $21M more in an extention than any other team can offer and would only still be paying the same as any other team.

 

maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think an extension works that way

 

Ok, I will spell it out...

 

2008-2010 financial obligations (eliminated if Rodriguez voids):

NY: $50,695,500 (08:$15.884M, 09:$16.8985M, 10:$17.913M)

Texas: $21,304,500 (08:$8.116M, 09:$7.1015M, 10:$6.087M)

 

So, lets say ARod voids the contract and signs a 7 year 30M per year contract with the Cubs, he will receive 210M and the Cubs will be paying him 210M

 

Instead, the Yanks could offer him a 4 year extention paying him 39.75M a year from 2010-2014. ARod would receive 231M, the Yanks would be paying 210M, and the Rangers would be paying 21M.

 

SO, basically, the yanks can offer ARod 21M more than any other team, while only spending the same as any other team because they'd be paying him with some Texas money.

 

If leaving NY is worth 21M to ARod, then I can see him leaving, but also, don't forget that assumes the Yanks would match the best "offer". Most likely they can outbid anyone they want, he is obviously their most important player, AND they have $ coming off the books.

 

I'd be shocked if the Yanks and ARod didn't agree to an extention.

[JGalt73]

While I sometimes take issue with the stat-o-centric, all-unquantifiable-events-are-luck mindset of this board (even as a math major), I will say that since joining this group I have become a much more knowledgeable baseball fan. I won't be on the boards Saturday, because I'll be at the game. But it's been great learning from all of the other posters on this board this year. Whatever happens, I really enjoyed it, and I look forward to more baseball conversations in the future.

 

I'll definately second that.

 

this sounds like a suicide note

 

I thought the same thing until I read the "future" part!

[minnesotacubsfan]

Right, thats the point, the Yanks can offer $21M more in an extention than any other team can offer and would only still be paying the same as any other team.

 

maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think an extension works that way

 

Ok, I will spell it out...

 

2008-2010 financial obligations (eliminated if Rodriguez voids):

NY: $50,695,500 (08:$15.884M, 09:$16.8985M, 10:$17.913M)

Texas: $21,304,500 (08:$8.116M, 09:$7.1015M, 10:$6.087M)

 

So, lets say ARod voids the contract and signs a 7 year 30M per year contract with the Cubs, he will receive 210M and the Cubs will be paying him 210M

 

Instead, the Yanks could offer him a 4 year extention paying him 39.75M a year from 2010-2014. ARod would receive 231M, the Yanks would be paying 210M, and the Rangers would be paying 21M.

 

SO, basically, the yanks can offer ARod 21M more than any other team, while only spending the same as any other team because they'd be paying him with some Texas money.

 

If leaving NY is worth 21M to ARod, then I can see him leaving, but also, don't forget that assumes the Yanks would match the best "offer". Most likely they can outbid anyone they want, he is obviously their most important player, AND they have $ coming off the books.

 

I'd be shocked if the Yanks and ARod didn't agree to an extention.

 

I would argue that at $30 mil a season, leaving $9 mil on the table for a happier place might be worth it

 

 

its not like he'd be playing for peanuts

[Soul]

Since the LDS began in 1995 there have been 48 series. Of those 48 series:

 

-27 of those 48 teams faced an 0-2 defecit (56%)

 

-9 of those 27 teams managed to win at least 1 game (33%)

 

-0 of those 27 teams managed to lose in 5 games (0%)

 

-4 of those 27 teams came back from down 0-2 to win (15%)

 

CRAP.

 

your saying theres a chance? thats all my heart needs-hope. f-hope.

 

Nobody has gotten back to game 5 and lost. Interesting...

[minnesotacubsfan]

Since the LDS began in 1995 there have been 48 series. Of those 48 series:

 

-27 of those 48 teams faced an 0-2 defecit (56%)

 

-9 of those 27 teams managed to win at least 1 game (33%)

 

-0 of those 27 teams managed to lose in 5 games (0%)

 

-4 of those 27 teams came back from down 0-2 to win (15%)

 

CRAP.

 

your saying theres a chance? thats all my heart needs-hope. f-hope.

 

Nobody has gotten back to game 5 and lost. Interesting...

 

shhhhhhhh [expletive] it..

 

yo know we'll be the 1st to do it

[David]

Here's one..

 

How many of the teams that have won game 3 have gone on to win the series?

[nilodnayr]

Right, thats the point, the Yanks can offer $21M more in an extention than any other team can offer and would only still be paying the same as any other team.

 

maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think an extension works that way

 

That's what I'm not clear about. Isn't the old contract torn up for a new one?

 

I believe so. I think the extension is a new contract replacing the old in the number of years and dollars the player is signed, not just an amendment to the current contract.

 

An extention can either be a new contract replacing the old one, or a new contract supplementing the old one, as far as I know.

[SouthSideRyan]

I'm really bored at work, so I'm gonna try and break it down by teams losing the first 2 on the road compared to at home.

[UMFan83]

Here's one..

 

How many of the teams that have won game 3 have gone on to win the series?

 

Well the 4 teams to do it are the 2003 Red Sox, the 2001 Yankees, the 1999 Red Sox and the 1995 Mariners.

 

2003 Red Sox lost in the ALCS

2001 Yankees lost in the World Series

1999 Red Sox lost in the ALCS

1995 Mariners lost in the ALCS

 

So 0

[David]

Here's one..

 

How many of the teams that have won game 3 have gone on to win the series?

 

Well the 4 teams to do it are the 2003 Red Sox, the 2001 Yankees, the 1999 Red Sox and the 1995 Mariners.

 

2003 Red Sox lost in the ALCS

2001 Yankees lost in the World Series

1999 Red Sox lost in the ALCS

1995 Mariners lost in the ALCS

 

So 0

 

Eh my bad. I meant the series they were playing in, not the World Series.

 

Bad wording on my part.

 

In other words, it's a roundabout way of asking how much better we're looking if we win tomorrow...

[SouthSideRyan]

3 of the 4 did it by coming back home for games 3 and 4. Though in '95, Seattle had game 5 at home too, so not sure how to count them.

[David]

3 of the 4 did it by coming back home for games 3 and 4. Though in '95, Seattle had game 5 at home too, so not sure how to count them.

 

The one I remember most was the 2003 A's/BoSox series. Wasn't that the one when Damon was carted off the field not knowing which team he was playing for (I believe in game 5)?

[nilodnayr]

Here's one..

 

How many of the teams that have won game 3 have gone on to win the series?

 

Well the 4 teams to do it are the 2003 Red Sox, the 2001 Yankees, the 1999 Red Sox and the 1995 Mariners.

 

2003 Red Sox lost in the ALCS

2001 Yankees lost in the World Series

1999 Red Sox lost in the ALCS

1995 Mariners lost in the ALCS

 

So 0

 

Eh my bad. I meant the series they were playing in, not the World Series.

 

Bad wording on my part.

 

In other words, it's a roundabout way of asking how much better we're looking if we win tomorrow...

 

Well right now we have a roughly 1/8 chance (1/(2^3)), so if we win tomorrow we will have a roughly 1/4 chance (1/(2^2)). In other words, our chances double.

[UMFan83]

Here's one..

 

How many of the teams that have won game 3 have gone on to win the series?

 

Well the 4 teams to do it are the 2003 Red Sox, the 2001 Yankees, the 1999 Red Sox and the 1995 Mariners.

 

2003 Red Sox lost in the ALCS

2001 Yankees lost in the World Series

1999 Red Sox lost in the ALCS

1995 Mariners lost in the ALCS

 

So 0

 

Eh my bad. I meant the series they were playing in, not the World Series.

 

Bad wording on my part.

 

In other words, it's a roundabout way of asking how much better we're looking if we win tomorrow...

 

Well if your asking what I think your asking only 9/27 teams that have gone down 0-2 have actually won a game.

 

Of those 9, only 4 of them have won the series.

[Guest]

3 of the 4 did it by coming back home for games 3 and 4. Though in '95, Seattle had game 5 at home too, so not sure how to count them.

 

The one I remember most was the 2003 A's/BoSox series. Wasn't that the one when Damon was carted off the field not knowing which team he was playing for (I believe in game 5)?

 

Yes, I remember watching that game and sympathizing with my A's fan roommate since his team had never advanced to the ALCS at that time.

 

And I was in his spot about 2 weeks later.