Hendry shouldn't have signed Sorryano.....

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Soriano was hot, we were surging. He got cold, we started to cool off too.

 

Then he got hurt, and now we're sliding in the standings.

 

No other analysis needed. Soriano performing well and in the lineup is a major plus for this team. Whether or not the contract was wise is another story and open for question, but let's not let it go too far. Look at this ballclub, we could really use Sori's bat right about now.

 

That's a bit too broad. Soriano had plenty of cold streaks/slumps/whatever you want to call them during the two months the Cubs were dominating because he is and always has been a very streaky hitter. Yes, he's missed now, but his injury combined with Lee's slump and Aramis being hurt/out is the much larger issue. If the latter two weren't happening, or even just one of them was mashing, Soriano's absence wouldn't be nearly as obvious.

 

Yeah - that's terrible analysis Soul and you know it. There were a lot of factors that went into our terrible start. Soriano didn't help but Z was crap too. And Soriano isn't the only player hurt or not playing well now. Mojo mentioned Lee and ARam, but our SP has been suspect recently (Marquis was good in his last outing, bad the one before it, Marshall's had 2 bad turns in a row, Z and Hill both got rocked this week - all hail Ted Lilly, eh?).

 

When Soriano finally got hot, he wasn't the only one. Lee and ARam have been consistent basically all year, but DeRosa had a great June and good July, Jones had a good July, Fontenot had a great June, Theriot was great in July (our SS position was pathetic for 3 months).

 

There's a lot more analysis needed. "As Soriano goes, so go the Cubs" is far, far, far from accurate.

[NewUserName]

Soriano was hot, we were surging. He got cold, we started to cool off too.

 

Then he got hurt, and now we're sliding in the standings.

 

No other analysis needed. Soriano performing well and in the lineup is a major plus for this team. Whether or not the contract was wise is another story and open for question, but let's not let it go too far. Look at this ballclub, we could really use Sori's bat right about now.

 

 

Using this logic the Cubs should have signed a better player then. I mean truthfully Manny Ramirez was available a couple of years ago and his contract would be less damaging longterm than Soriano's is going to be and he is A LOT better than Soriano.

[Wilson A2000]

Soriano was hot, we were surging. He got cold, we started to cool off too.

 

Then he got hurt, and now we're sliding in the standings.

 

No other analysis needed. Soriano performing well and in the lineup is a major plus for this team. Whether or not the contract was wise is another story and open for question, but let's not let it go too far. Look at this ballclub, we could really use Sori's bat right about now.

 

Soriano's hottest month was when the Cubs were cold. His worse months was when the Cubs were hot actually.

[fromthestretch]

And - this is an honest question - does the CS stat include being picked off?

 

yes

 

I don't believe that's correct. It's typically only a caught stealing if the runner makes an effort towards the next base. If the pitcher throws over to first and the runner breaks for second, it is a caught stealing if they get him out. Otherwise, I don't believe most pickoffs are considered a stolen base attempt.

[frostwyrm]

Soriano was hot, we were surging. He got cold, we started to cool off too.

 

Then he got hurt, and now we're sliding in the standings.

 

No other analysis needed. Soriano performing well and in the lineup is a major plus for this team. Whether or not the contract was wise is another story and open for question, but let's not let it go too far. Look at this ballclub, we could really use Sori's bat right about now.

 

How do you figure? In July the Cubs went 17-9 while Soriano put up a dismal .701 OPS. It was like having a utility infielder as a starting LF, yet the team continued to win.

[Soul]

Soriano was hot, we were surging. He got cold, we started to cool off too.

 

Then he got hurt, and now we're sliding in the standings.

 

No other analysis needed. Soriano performing well and in the lineup is a major plus for this team. Whether or not the contract was wise is another story and open for question, but let's not let it go too far. Look at this ballclub, we could really use Sori's bat right about now.

 

How do you figure? In July the Cubs went 17-9 while Soriano put up a dismal .701 OPS. It was like having a utility infielder as a starting LF, yet the team continued to win.

 

He was player of the month in June, that's when our surge began, not July.

[Soul]

Soriano was hot, we were surging. He got cold, we started to cool off too.

 

Then he got hurt, and now we're sliding in the standings.

 

No other analysis needed. Soriano performing well and in the lineup is a major plus for this team. Whether or not the contract was wise is another story and open for question, but let's not let it go too far. Look at this ballclub, we could really use Sori's bat right about now.

 

That's a bit too broad. Soriano had plenty of cold streaks/slumps/whatever you want to call them during the two months the Cubs were dominating because he is and always has been a very streaky hitter. Yes, he's missed now, but his injury combined with Lee's slump and Aramis being hurt/out is the much larger issue. If the latter two weren't happening, or even just one of them was mashing, Soriano's absence wouldn't be nearly as obvious.

 

Yeah - that's terrible analysis Soul and you know it. There were a lot of factors that went into our terrible start. Soriano didn't help but Z was crap too. And Soriano isn't the only player hurt or not playing well now. Mojo mentioned Lee and ARam, but our SP has been suspect recently (Marquis was good in his last outing, bad the one before it, Marshall's had 2 bad turns in a row, Z and Hill both got rocked this week - all hail Ted Lilly, eh?).

 

When Soriano finally got hot, he wasn't the only one. Lee and ARam have been consistent basically all year, but DeRosa had a great June and good July, Jones had a good July, Fontenot had a great June, Theriot was great in July (our SS position was pathetic for 3 months).

 

There's a lot more analysis needed. "As Soriano goes, so go the Cubs" is far, far, far from accurate.

 

There's no other analysis needed in terms of Soriano being important to this team. Or didn't you realize there are people lurking around here who think losing Soriano meant nothing?

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Soriano was hot, we were surging. He got cold, we started to cool off too.

 

Then he got hurt, and now we're sliding in the standings.

 

No other analysis needed. Soriano performing well and in the lineup is a major plus for this team. Whether or not the contract was wise is another story and open for question, but let's not let it go too far. Look at this ballclub, we could really use Sori's bat right about now.

 

That's a bit too broad. Soriano had plenty of cold streaks/slumps/whatever you want to call them during the two months the Cubs were dominating because he is and always has been a very streaky hitter. Yes, he's missed now, but his injury combined with Lee's slump and Aramis being hurt/out is the much larger issue. If the latter two weren't happening, or even just one of them was mashing, Soriano's absence wouldn't be nearly as obvious.

 

Yeah - that's terrible analysis Soul and you know it. There were a lot of factors that went into our terrible start. Soriano didn't help but Z was crap too. And Soriano isn't the only player hurt or not playing well now. Mojo mentioned Lee and ARam, but our SP has been suspect recently (Marquis was good in his last outing, bad the one before it, Marshall's had 2 bad turns in a row, Z and Hill both got rocked this week - all hail Ted Lilly, eh?).

 

When Soriano finally got hot, he wasn't the only one. Lee and ARam have been consistent basically all year, but DeRosa had a great June and good July, Jones had a good July, Fontenot had a great June, Theriot was great in July (our SS position was pathetic for 3 months).

 

There's a lot more analysis needed. "As Soriano goes, so go the Cubs" is far, far, far from accurate.

 

There's no other analysis needed in terms of Soriano being important to this team. Or didn't you realize there are people lurking around here who think losing Soriano meant nothing?

 

Well, that's not what your post said. You said he was hot - the Cubs were hot, he was cold - the Cubs cooled off and "we could really use his bat." Seems to me you were saying that Soriano's performance directly correlates with and possibly even solely accounts for the results of the team.

[Ender]

8. Rule 10.09

CAUGHT STEALING (h) A runner shall be charged as "Caught Stealing" if he is put out, or would have been put out by errorless play when he (1) Tries to steal. (2) Is picked off a base and tries to advance (any move toward the next base shall be considered an attempt to advance). (3) Overslides while stealing. NOTE: In those instances where a pitched ball eludes the catcher and the runner is put out trying to advance, no caught stealing shall be charged. No caught stealing should be charged when a runner is awarded a base due to obstruction.

 

 

The scorer decides what is and isn't caught stealing and they get it wrong a lot of the time.

[Soul]

Soriano was hot, we were surging. He got cold, we started to cool off too.

 

Then he got hurt, and now we're sliding in the standings.

 

No other analysis needed. Soriano performing well and in the lineup is a major plus for this team. Whether or not the contract was wise is another story and open for question, but let's not let it go too far. Look at this ballclub, we could really use Sori's bat right about now.

 

That's a bit too broad. Soriano had plenty of cold streaks/slumps/whatever you want to call them during the two months the Cubs were dominating because he is and always has been a very streaky hitter. Yes, he's missed now, but his injury combined with Lee's slump and Aramis being hurt/out is the much larger issue. If the latter two weren't happening, or even just one of them was mashing, Soriano's absence wouldn't be nearly as obvious.

 

Yeah - that's terrible analysis Soul and you know it. There were a lot of factors that went into our terrible start. Soriano didn't help but Z was crap too. And Soriano isn't the only player hurt or not playing well now. Mojo mentioned Lee and ARam, but our SP has been suspect recently (Marquis was good in his last outing, bad the one before it, Marshall's had 2 bad turns in a row, Z and Hill both got rocked this week - all hail Ted Lilly, eh?).

 

When Soriano finally got hot, he wasn't the only one. Lee and ARam have been consistent basically all year, but DeRosa had a great June and good July, Jones had a good July, Fontenot had a great June, Theriot was great in July (our SS position was pathetic for 3 months).

 

There's a lot more analysis needed. "As Soriano goes, so go the Cubs" is far, far, far from accurate.

 

There's no other analysis needed in terms of Soriano being important to this team. Or didn't you realize there are people lurking around here who think losing Soriano meant nothing?

 

Well, that's not what your post said. You said he was hot - the Cubs were hot, he was cold - the Cubs cooled off and "we could really use his bat." Seems to me you were saying that Soriano's performance directly correlates with and possibly even solely accounts for the results of the team.

 

There is a correlation. You seem to be saying I'm suggesting direct cause and effect, and I'm not.

 

If there's no correlation between the two, then one would have to be saying that Soriano is not at all important to this offense.

 

I know Soriano's not the only reason, but I see no reason to look further than Soriano's rise and fall and relate that to our team's rise and fall, and then conclude he's a major plus for this team (my exact words).

[sethuel1]

All in favor of a mandatory IQ test prior to being allowed to post on NSBB, say aye.

fixed

 

aye

[Rob]

Soriano was hot, we were surging. He got cold, we started to cool off too.

 

Then he got hurt, and now we're sliding in the standings.

 

No other analysis needed. Soriano performing well and in the lineup is a major plus for this team. Whether or not the contract was wise is another story and open for question, but let's not let it go too far. Look at this ballclub, we could really use Sori's bat right about now.

 

That's a bit too broad. Soriano had plenty of cold streaks/slumps/whatever you want to call them during the two months the Cubs were dominating because he is and always has been a very streaky hitter. Yes, he's missed now, but his injury combined with Lee's slump and Aramis being hurt/out is the much larger issue. If the latter two weren't happening, or even just one of them was mashing, Soriano's absence wouldn't be nearly as obvious.

 

Yeah - that's terrible analysis Soul and you know it. There were a lot of factors that went into our terrible start. Soriano didn't help but Z was crap too. And Soriano isn't the only player hurt or not playing well now. Mojo mentioned Lee and ARam, but our SP has been suspect recently (Marquis was good in his last outing, bad the one before it, Marshall's had 2 bad turns in a row, Z and Hill both got rocked this week - all hail Ted Lilly, eh?).

 

When Soriano finally got hot, he wasn't the only one. Lee and ARam have been consistent basically all year, but DeRosa had a great June and good July, Jones had a good July, Fontenot had a great June, Theriot was great in July (our SS position was pathetic for 3 months).

 

There's a lot more analysis needed. "As Soriano goes, so go the Cubs" is far, far, far from accurate.

 

There's no other analysis needed in terms of Soriano being important to this team. Or didn't you realize there are people lurking around here who think losing Soriano meant nothing?

 

Hell, if Murton keeps hitting like he has in August, we make a big gain by losing Soriano... providing that's what it took to get him into the lineup (assuming we weren't gonna pull the plug on Floyd anyway)

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There is a correlation. You seem to be saying I'm suggesting direct cause and effect, and I'm not.

 

If there's no correlation between the two, then one would have to be saying that Soriano is not at all important to this offense.

 

I know Soriano's not the only reason, but I see no reason to look further than Soriano's rise and fall and relate that to our team's rise and fall, and then conclude he's a major plus for this team (my exact words).

 

I'm not disputing that having Soriano in our lineup is better than not having him (although Murton's been pretty good, but if Soriano comes back and the OF has both of them, that would be even better). But the WL record with someone playing well v the WL record when someone is slumping is a pretty bad way to determine a particular player's value to the team. There are just way too many factors not accounted for. For one - pitching and defense, Soriano has very little effect on our overall Runs Allowed when he's playing LF (and his hot streak or slump offensively has no effect).

 

If you wanted to say Soriano's a big plus b/c we score more runs when he's in the lineup, that makes more sense to me. But overall team performance? Way too broad.

[frostwyrm]

Soriano was hot, we were surging. He got cold, we started to cool off too.

 

Then he got hurt, and now we're sliding in the standings.

 

No other analysis needed. Soriano performing well and in the lineup is a major plus for this team. Whether or not the contract was wise is another story and open for question, but let's not let it go too far. Look at this ballclub, we could really use Sori's bat right about now.

 

How do you figure? In July the Cubs went 17-9 while Soriano put up a dismal .701 OPS. It was like having a utility infielder as a starting LF, yet the team continued to win.

 

He was player of the month in June, that's when our surge began, not July.

 

Soriano gets credit for the Cubs' success in July because he was good in June? I'd rather credit the players who played well in July.

[Derwood]

 

There is a correlation. You seem to be saying I'm suggesting direct cause and effect, and I'm not.

 

If there's no correlation between the two, then one would have to be saying that Soriano is not at all important to this offense.

 

I know Soriano's not the only reason, but I see no reason to look further than Soriano's rise and fall and relate that to our team's rise and fall, and then conclude he's a major plus for this team (my exact words).

 

there is probably more of a correlation with Soriano's performance than with the ludicrous "Cubs record with Pie on the roster" nonsense everyone loves to quote

[UBlink]

All in favor of a mandatory IQ test prior to being allowed to post on NSBB, say I.

 

can I get grandfathered in?

 

That privilege is reserved for real grandfathers.

[Ender]

I'd say there is a pretty strong correlation between Soriano's June hot streak and the Cubs playing well in June.

 

July was just a case of the Cubs being lucky though(offensively at least, the pitching was still good), the team had a .700 OPS and scored as many runs as the top hitting teams did, thats just a lot of things bouncing right for you.

 

The funniest stat on the year is the 8th hitters though. The Cub's #8 hitters have a combined .582 OPS. Their #9 hitters have a combined .528 OPS! A few good pinch hits or a HR or two by Zambrano and the #8 slot becomes the least productive spot on the team!