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The decision to pick Patterson over Felix Pie was based on Patterson's offense at Iowa.

 

"If we needed someone for pure defense, then it would be Felix," general manager Jim Hendry said. "But [Patterson hits] from the left-side, swinging the bat right now and stealing bases, and he's playing very solid in the outfield. We kicked it around a lot of different ways but in the end, you listen to your [minor league] people."

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The decision to pick Patterson over Felix Pie was based on Patterson's offense at Iowa.

 

"If we needed someone for pure defense, then it would be Felix," general manager Jim Hendry said. "But [Patterson hits] from the left-side, swinging the bat right now and stealing bases, and he's playing very solid in the outfield. We kicked it around a lot of different ways but in the end, you listen to your [minor league] people."

 

In AAA Iowa:

 

Patterson .300/.357/.472/.829

Pie .364/.411/.564/.975

 

And I may not have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night, but I'm fairly certain Pie hits from the left side and can steal bases.

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The decision to pick Patterson over Felix Pie was based on Patterson's offense at Iowa.

 

"If we needed someone for pure defense, then it would be Felix," general manager Jim Hendry said. "But [Patterson hits] from the left-side, swinging the bat right now and stealing bases, and he's playing very solid in the outfield. We kicked it around a lot of different ways but in the end, you listen to your [minor league] people."

 

In AAA Iowa:

 

Patterson .300/.357/.472/.829

Pie .364/.411/.564/.975

 

And I may not have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night, but I'm fairly certain Pie hits from the left side and can steal bases.

 

No. Pie is only fast in the outfield. Once he bats he magically turns into a slow, fat, soft hitting righty.

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The decision to pick Patterson over Felix Pie was based on Patterson's offense at Iowa.

 

"If we needed someone for pure defense, then it would be Felix," general manager Jim Hendry said. "But [Patterson hits] from the left-side, swinging the bat right now and stealing bases, and he's playing very solid in the outfield. We kicked it around a lot of different ways but in the end, you listen to your [minor league] people."

 

once again, another example of hendry failing to do his job like a normal person.

 

i mean, if a stockbroker continually ignored market trends and repeatedly based his trades on info he got from an oracle, he'd be fired and poor.

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So we are going to running 3 platoon out there everyday...LF, RF, and 2B. Actually I guess 4 if you count CF. Wow the mark of a division winner there. Hopefully Marshall and Hill can turn it on and DLee and Rammy get extremely hot. There is no hope for Marquis

 

Yeah because horrible organizations like Boston, Oakland, Cleveland, and Atlanta utilize platoons.

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The decision to pick Patterson over Felix Pie was based on Patterson's offense at Iowa.

 

"If we needed someone for pure defense, then it would be Felix," general manager Jim Hendry said. "But [Patterson hits] from the left-side, swinging the bat right now and stealing bases, and he's playing very solid in the outfield. We kicked it around a lot of different ways but in the end, you listen to your [minor league] people."

 

once again, another example of hendry failing to do his job like a normal person.

 

i mean, if a stockbroker continually ignored market trends and repeatedly based his trades on info he got from an oracle, he'd be fired and poor.

 

I couldn't agree more.

 

It feels like Hendry is now trying to bring up every prospect in the hopes of some glorious infusion of energy. Where prospect time was minimal in the Baker years, it has almost been manic this year. The Moore and Fox call-ups were odd enough, but now the shuffling of rosters to get Patterson up here seems like an unnecessary reach.

 

I hope to heaven new ownership will see Hendry's failings early.

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I couldn't agree more.

 

It feels like Hendry is now trying to bring up every prospect in the hopes of some glorious infusion of energy. Where prospect time was minimal in the Baker years, it has almost been manic this year. The Moore and Fox call-ups were odd enough, but now the shuffling of rosters to get Patterson up here seems like an unnecessary reach.

 

I hope to heaven new ownership will see Hendry's failings early.

 

But God forbid we give the prospects we call up enough time to show what they can do at the major league level. Ride the pine kiddies...Cliff Floyd needs to get his AB's. And we can't have Jacque Jones throwing a temper tantrum.

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I couldn't agree more.

 

It feels like Hendry is now trying to bring up every prospect in the hopes of some glorious infusion of energy. Where prospect time was minimal in the Baker years, it has almost been manic this year. The Moore and Fox call-ups were odd enough, but now the shuffling of rosters to get Patterson up here seems like an unnecessary reach.

 

I hope to heaven new ownership will see Hendry's failings early.

 

But God forbid we give the prospects we call up enough time to show what they can do at the major league level. Ride the pine kiddies...Cliff Floyd needs to get his AB's. And we can't have Jacque Jones throwing a temper tantrum.

 

Exactly the reason I used "manic" to describe the shuffling. You can include the quarter cup of coffee Soto got. I don't think he will be the next Johnny Bench, but for kripe's sake, why give the guy a chance. Didn't Soto help foster Hill's turn around late last year when he was called up and caught him?

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I really wonder if Kroeger would have gotten the call had he not been injured. I just can't for the life of me figure out why we would call up Epatt to play LF.
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I really wonder if Kroeger would have gotten the call had he not been injured. I just can't for the life of me figure out why we would call up Epatt to play LF.

 

I was so surprised to hear Len talking about "Patterson", I thought that we traded for Corey to return, never considering Hendry would drag EPatt up.

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I really wonder if Kroeger would have gotten the call had he not been injured. I just can't for the life of me figure out why we would call up Epatt to play LF.

 

I'm not sure, it sounded like they wanted someone who is a top of the order guy, not a middle of the order guy. And that statement in and of itself shows how idiotic this team is.

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I really wonder if Kroeger would have gotten the call had he not been injured. I just can't for the life of me figure out why we would call up Epatt to play LF.

 

I'm not sure, it sounded like they wanted someone who is a top of the order guy, not a middle of the order guy. And that statement in and of itself shows how idiotic this team is.

 

Yep, because all this team needs is more speed.

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I really wonder if Kroeger would have gotten the call had he not been injured. I just can't for the life of me figure out why we would call up Epatt to play LF.

 

I'm not sure, it sounded like they wanted someone who is a top of the order guy, not a middle of the order guy. And that statement in and of itself shows how idiotic this team is.

 

Yep, because all this team needs is more speed.

 

Well, Greenies were part of the new drug ban...

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The decision to pick Patterson over Felix Pie was based on Patterson's offense at Iowa.

 

"If we needed someone for pure defense, then it would be Felix," general manager Jim Hendry said. "But [Patterson hits] from the left-side, swinging the bat right now and stealing bases, and he's playing very solid in the outfield. We kicked it around a lot of different ways but in the end, you listen to your [minor league] people."

 

Hendry's idiocy knows no bounds.

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I couldn't agree more.

 

It feels like Hendry is now trying to bring up every prospect in the hopes of some glorious infusion of energy. Where prospect time was minimal in the Baker years, it has almost been manic this year. The Moore and Fox call-ups were odd enough, but now the shuffling of rosters to get Patterson up here seems like an unnecessary reach.

 

I hope to heaven new ownership will see Hendry's failings early.

 

But God forbid we give the prospects we call up enough time to show what they can do at the major league level. Ride the pine kiddies...Cliff Floyd needs to get his AB's. And we can't have Jacque Jones throwing a temper tantrum.

 

Exactly the reason I used "manic" to describe the shuffling. You can include the quarter cup of coffee Soto got. I don't think he will be the next Johnny Bench, but for kripe's sake, why give the guy a chance. Didn't Soto help foster Hill's turn around late last year when he was called up and caught him?

 

No, he didn't. Hill started turning around in early August, and Soto didn't come up until September. Soto started 7 games in September-2 of those were Hill starts.

 

1 outing was Rich Hill's complete game shutout

1 outing was 5 innings, 4 runs

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I couldn't agree more.

 

It feels like Hendry is now trying to bring up every prospect in the hopes of some glorious infusion of energy. Where prospect time was minimal in the Baker years, it has almost been manic this year. The Moore and Fox call-ups were odd enough, but now the shuffling of rosters to get Patterson up here seems like an unnecessary reach.

 

I hope to heaven new ownership will see Hendry's failings early.

 

But God forbid we give the prospects we call up enough time to show what they can do at the major league level. Ride the pine kiddies...Cliff Floyd needs to get his AB's. And we can't have Jacque Jones throwing a temper tantrum.

 

Exactly the reason I used "manic" to describe the shuffling. You can include the quarter cup of coffee Soto got. I don't think he will be the next Johnny Bench, but for kripe's sake, why give the guy a chance. Didn't Soto help foster Hill's turn around late last year when he was called up and caught him?

 

No, he didn't. Hill started turning around in early August, and Soto didn't come up until September. Soto started 7 games in September-2 of those were Hill starts.

 

1 outing was Rich Hill's complete game shutout

1 outing was 5 innings, 4 runs

 

Thanks for the info. If Soto was Hill's primary catcher when he scorched AAA, I think it would be worth while to try to pair them long term. However, I have no idea if he was.

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This team needs someone who get on base at a decent rate, can slug at least as much if not more than Jones or Floyd, can hit LHP, and has played LF at the major league level before.

 

Sucks there's no one available in our system or our ML roster who matches that description.

 

 

 

(sarcasm)

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It'd almost be worth it to me to see the Cubs play Soto ©, Patterson (LF), Murton (RF), Pie (CF), and Cedeno (2B) everyday for the rest of the season, and put up a collective .600 OPS, leading to an average of 2.5 runs per game, leading to the Cubs finishing 7 games out of the NL Central, if it would mean the folks second-guessing and whining about young guys never getting a proper chance would finally have to stick a cork in it.

 

Amazing that nobody ever stops to consider that just maybe the folks in charge of making these decisions actually know more than you do.

 

Murton I'd agree seems to be getting a bum rap after the year he had in 2006, although until just now he's been a man without a position. Every other one of those kids has either no MLB track record, or a poor one. It's somewhere between very risky and utterly foolish to turn over your pennant hopes to a whole bunch of guys like that. One or two raw rookies you can work with, but I swear some folks here think the Cubs could win more games by just trotting out the I-Cubs lineup.

 

Happy flaming.

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It'd almost be worth it to me to see the Cubs play Soto ©, Patterson (LF), Murton (RF), Pie (CF), and Cedeno (2B) everyday for the rest of the season, and put up a collective .600 OPS, leading to an average of 2.5 runs per game, leading to the Cubs finishing 7 games out of the NL Central, if it would mean the folks second-guessing and whining about young guys never getting a proper chance would finally have to stick a cork in it.

 

Amazing that nobody ever stops to consider that just maybe the folks in charge of making these decisions actually know more than you do.

 

Murton I'd agree seems to be getting a bum rap after the year he had in 2006, although until just now he's been a man without a position. Every other one of those kids has either no MLB track record, or a poor one. It's somewhere between very risky and utterly foolish to turn over your pennant hopes to a whole bunch of guys like that. One or two raw rookies you can work with, but I swear some folks here think the Cubs could win more games by just trotting out the I-Cubs lineup.

 

Happy flaming.

 

Meh...it's not worth flaming. It's what you want anyway.

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The alternatives of Floyd, Pagan, Jones, Kendall, and Fontenot are looking like decent likelihoods for that .600 OPS too. And the Cubs haven't earned any type of benefit of the doubt when it comes to their decision making, especially when it comes to building an offense.
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The alternatives of Floyd, Pagan, Jones, Kendall, and Fontenot are looking like decent likelihoods for that .600 OPS too. And the Cubs haven't earned any type of benefit of the doubt when it comes to their decision making, especially when it comes to building an offense.

OPS 2007/career

Floyd: .749/.843

Pagan: .750/.724

Jones: .664/.781

Kendall: .729/.770

Fontenot: .820/.821

 

And you missed DeRosa, .783/.743.

 

Not a lot of support for your theory that the group will combine for a .600 OPS from here on out.

 

This group seems much more likely:

Pie: .617/.617

Cedeno: .446/.614

Soto: .393/.441

Patterson: n/a

Murton: .674/.803

 

I'm all for Murton in LF. But beyond that, I think there's a whole ton of wishful thinking going on with those other guys.

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The alternatives of Floyd, Pagan, Jones, Kendall, and Fontenot are looking like decent likelihoods for that .600 OPS too. And the Cubs haven't earned any type of benefit of the doubt when it comes to their decision making, especially when it comes to building an offense.

OPS 2007/career

Floyd: .749/.843

Pagan: .750/.724

Jones: .664/.781

Kendall: .729/.770

Fontenot: .820/.821

 

And you missed DeRosa, .783/.743.

 

Not a lot of support for your theory that the group will combine for a .600 OPS from here on out.

 

This group seems much more likely:

Pie: .617/.617

Cedeno: .446/.614

Soto: .393/.441

Patterson: n/a

Murton: .674/.803

 

I'm all for Murton in LF. But beyond that, I think there's a whole ton of wishful thinking going on with those other guys.

 

Settle for mediocrity (or in many cases, worse) or try for something better. You seem to be willing to settle for mediocrity, and very clearly hope for the failure of the young players on the team.

 

 

 

I don't know, I would think the Cubs long history of failure would indicate to most that maybe, just maybe, the people in charge aren't very good at their jobs.

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The alternatives of Floyd, Pagan, Jones, Kendall, and Fontenot are looking like decent likelihoods for that .600 OPS too. And the Cubs haven't earned any type of benefit of the doubt when it comes to their decision making, especially when it comes to building an offense.

OPS 2007/career

Floyd: .749/.843

Pagan: .750/.724

Jones: .664/.781

Kendall: .729/.770

Fontenot: .820/.821

 

And you missed DeRosa, .783/.743.

 

Not a lot of support for your theory that the group will combine for a .600 OPS from here on out.

 

This group seems much more likely:

Pie: .617/.617

Cedeno: .446/.614

Soto: .393/.441

Patterson: n/a

Murton: .674/.803

 

I'm all for Murton in LF. But beyond that, I think there's a whole ton of wishful thinking going on with those other guys.

 

Settle for mediocrity (or in many cases, worse) or try for something better. You seem to be willing to settle for mediocrity, and very clearly hope for the failure of the young players on the team.

 

 

 

I don't know, I would think the Cubs long history of failure would indicate to most that maybe, just maybe, the people in charge aren't very good at their jobs.

LOL!

 

Anticipating that the young players would underperform the vets over the next 8 weeks is nowhere close to "hoping for the failure of the young players on the team."

 

What I'm hoping for is that people get their expectations for the young players under control. Those AAA numbers aren't automatically going to translate in the bigleagues, like too many seem to be assuming. We've seen this proven time after time.

 

And I'll only "settle for mediocrity" if/when the alternative is worse.

 

As for the Cubs' "long history of failure" -- pretty unfair to hang that on a guy (Piniella) that's been in town for 4 months now, dontcha think? Correct me if I'm wrong, but he's the one most responsible for the allocation of playing time that everyone's so steamed about.

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