Dye to Cubs still possible?

[Schwarber Fan]

The hottest rumors have Dye headed to either the Cubs, the New York Mets or the Boston Red Sox, the latter possibly as part of a three-team deal.

 

Given the lack of durability of Cliff Floyd in right field, the Cubs may want Dye as an insurance policy. They could offer a package that includes outfielder Matt Murton, who doesn't appear to fit their future plans, although the Sox may be reluctant to deal with their crosstown rivals.

 

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[pitchcs]

The hottest rumors have Dye headed to either the Cubs, the New York Mets or the Boston Red Sox, the latter possibly as part of a three-team deal.

 

Given the lack of durability of Cliff Floyd in right field, the Cubs may want Dye as an insurance policy. They could offer a package that includes outfielder Matt Murton, who doesn't appear to fit their future plans, although the Sox may be reluctant to deal with their crosstown rivals.

 

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Isn't that a couple days old?

[Electron Blue]

The hottest rumors have Dye headed to either the Cubs, the New York Mets or the Boston Red Sox, the latter possibly as part of a three-team deal.

 

Given the lack of durability of Cliff Floyd in right field, the Cubs may want Dye as an insurance policy. They could offer a package that includes outfielder Matt Murton, who doesn't appear to fit their future plans, although the Sox may be reluctant to deal with their crosstown rivals.

 

Link

 

 

Isn't that a couple days old?

 

the article has today's date. can't say how recent his source told him that though

[Schwarber Fan]

The hottest rumors have Dye headed to either the Cubs, the New York Mets or the Boston Red Sox, the latter possibly as part of a three-team deal.

 

Given the lack of durability of Cliff Floyd in right field, the Cubs may want Dye as an insurance policy. They could offer a package that includes outfielder Matt Murton, who doesn't appear to fit their future plans, although the Sox may be reluctant to deal with their crosstown rivals.

 

Link

 

 

Isn't that a couple days old?

 

click the link, look at the date ;)

[pitchcs]

The hottest rumors have Dye headed to either the Cubs, the New York Mets or the Boston Red Sox, the latter possibly as part of a three-team deal.

 

Given the lack of durability of Cliff Floyd in right field, the Cubs may want Dye as an insurance policy. They could offer a package that includes outfielder Matt Murton, who doesn't appear to fit their future plans, although the Sox may be reluctant to deal with their crosstown rivals.

 

Link

 

 

Isn't that a couple days old?

 

the article has today's date. can't say how recent his source told him that though

 

 

Yeah, I seem to remember those exact words a couple of days ago. I wouldn't mind it happening, but I think he's just throwing out possibilities rather than substantial rumors.

[inari]

I would love a Dye for Murton swap, since Murton doesn't seem to fit into our plans.

[pitchcs]

I would love a Dye for Murton swap, since Murton doesn't seem to fit into our plans.

 

That's what I'm thinking too. If we could trade for an OF with Murton as the centerpiece I'd be very happy.

 

Pie >>> Murton.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

If you acquire Dye, you can let him go in the offseason and get one or two draft picks--and potentially pick up a prospect better than the one you deal to get Dye in the first place.

 

So...I'd send the Sox both Murton and someone like Buck Coats or Carmen Pignatiello and see if that was enough to get a deal done.

[seanimal]

I would love a Dye for Murton swap, since Murton doesn't seem to fit into our plans.

 

Exactly. It wouldn't cost much us much to keep Dye for the rest of the season, and if he can be productive, especially hit the ball for power, I think that would be an excellent move.

[rawaction]

Why wouldn't an AL team deal with a team in the NL because of a supposed rivalry? The Sox are stupid if they won't make their team better in 08 (any player for Dye that will be on that team in 08 is an improvement) because it's the Cubs. They play the Red Sox more than they play the Cubs on a yearly basis.

[nilodnayr]

The hottest rumors have Dye headed to either the Cubs, the New York Mets or the Boston Red Sox, the latter possibly as part of a three-team deal.

 

Given the lack of durability of Cliff Floyd in right field, the Cubs may want Dye as an insurance policy. They could offer a package that includes outfielder Matt Murton, who doesn't appear to fit their future plans, although the Sox may be reluctant to deal with their crosstown rivals.

 

Link

 

 

Isn't that a couple days old?

 

the article has today's date. can't say how recent his source told him that though

 

 

Yeah, I seem to remember those exact words a couple of days ago. I wouldn't mind it happening, but I think he's just throwing out possibilities rather than substantial rumors.

 

It was in another thread, thats probably what you are thinking about.

 

Also, the 3 team Bosox deal is old news, the new news is a sending Wily Mo and a minor league pitcher for Dye.

 

Sox beat reporters suck worse than cubs beat reporters (except for Bruce, he doesnt suck).

[seanimal]

I wouldn't think Williams would have much apprehension towards trading to the Cubs. He's going to try to get the best return possible. Those who are saying that he might hesitate to pull the trigger on a deal with the Cubs are assuming that he wouldn't want to serve up the piece that puts the Cubs over the top, since they are direct competitors in the same market.

[pitchcs]

The hottest rumors have Dye headed to either the Cubs, the New York Mets or the Boston Red Sox, the latter possibly as part of a three-team deal.

 

Given the lack of durability of Cliff Floyd in right field, the Cubs may want Dye as an insurance policy. They could offer a package that includes outfielder Matt Murton, who doesn't appear to fit their future plans, although the Sox may be reluctant to deal with their crosstown rivals.

 

Link

 

 

Isn't that a couple days old?

 

the article has today's date. can't say how recent his source told him that though

 

 

Yeah, I seem to remember those exact words a couple of days ago. I wouldn't mind it happening, but I think he's just throwing out possibilities rather than substantial rumors.

 

It was in another thread, thats probably what you are thinking about.

 

Also, the 3 team Bosox deal is old news, the new news is a sending Wily Mo and a minor league pitcher for Dye.

 

Sox beat reporters suck worse than cubs beat reporters (except for Bruce, he doesnt suck).

 

 

Manny Delcarmen.

[craig]

If you acquire Dye, you can let him go in the offseason and get one or two draft picks--and potentially pick up a prospect better than the one you deal to get Dye in the first place.

 

So...I'd send the Sox both Murton and someone like Buck Coats or Carmen Pignatiello and see if that was enough to get a deal done.

 

Not likely. If Cubs offered him a good contract, he'd probably stay. They'd probably be scared to offer him arb unless they wanted him to stay, or unless he finished pretty strong. If he finished the year at .235, with creaky knees and age climbing, I think teams wouldn't offer him what an arbitrator would.

 

That being the case, Cubs would either sign him under their own negotiated terms, or let him walk without taking the arb-and-lose risk, or the risk that they acquire an expensive replacement only to have Dye accept arb and stick them $10 million overbudget with a guy they have no use for.

 

And in any such case, the risk/reward factors whether he's an A or a B. Dye is hitting .235, so I doubt he'll make a Class A free agent after the season. An A gets you a top-40 pick plus another high pick, possibly even a top-30 pick. A B gets you a single pick in the 40-60 range.

 

Not sure management would see that as valuable enough to justify offering arb.

[JWCUB]

Here goes....

 

1. I would get Griffey at all costs, overpay if you have to, just get him.

 

2. I would get Gagne. Shore up the pen. Wood is coming, but for how long? Anyones guess.

 

 

The nucleous of this team is fairly young with Theriot, Fonty, SOTO, Sori is not going anywhere, same for Aram, and DLee. Z, Hill, and Marshall are pups...then you have Marmol and Wuertz.....again still young.

 

That said, our rotation (banking on we re-sign Z) will be set for awhile. Lilly for 3 more years and as much as I hate it, Marquis for 2 more. Not to mention maybe just maybe a Healthy Prior for 08. :shock:

 

Our basic holes for the near future would be Center, assuming Pie would be needed for Griffey, 2 or 3 arms for the pen, and maybe right once Griffey leaves or retires.

 

The farm system is a nice thing to dip into to get the right pieces of the puzzle. The Braves have the right idea. A power bat and a nice arm in the pen. This is the best shot the Cubs have had to win it in awhile. We haven't won in 99 years....I'm ready now. Lets go for it.

 

I'm sure I'll get ripped for it.....however, I would like to know what you think

[inari]

The more I think about it, the more I like this potential move. Quite frankly, we don't have a legitamate power threat behind Ramirez. DeRosa's got decent pop, but he's not the best protection you could ask for. Dye would be an excellent #5 hitter in this lineup and he would make Cliff Floyd into a useful bench player.

[nilodnayr]

The hottest rumors have Dye headed to either the Cubs, the New York Mets or the Boston Red Sox, the latter possibly as part of a three-team deal.

 

Given the lack of durability of Cliff Floyd in right field, the Cubs may want Dye as an insurance policy. They could offer a package that includes outfielder Matt Murton, who doesn't appear to fit their future plans, although the Sox may be reluctant to deal with their crosstown rivals.

 

Link

 

 

Isn't that a couple days old?

 

the article has today's date. can't say how recent his source told him that though

 

 

Yeah, I seem to remember those exact words a couple of days ago. I wouldn't mind it happening, but I think he's just throwing out possibilities rather than substantial rumors.

 

It was in another thread, thats probably what you are thinking about.

 

Also, the 3 team Bosox deal is old news, the new news is a sending Wily Mo and a minor league pitcher for Dye.

 

Sox beat reporters suck worse than cubs beat reporters (except for Bruce, he doesnt suck).

 

 

Manny Delcarmen.

 

I didn't specify because it wasn't clear whether or not it was going to be Delcarmen or Masterson, or even one of their others, but supposedly now the deal is dead because the BoSox didnt want to give up Delcarmen or Masterson.

[pitchcs]

The hottest rumors have Dye headed to either the Cubs, the New York Mets or the Boston Red Sox, the latter possibly as part of a three-team deal.

 

Given the lack of durability of Cliff Floyd in right field, the Cubs may want Dye as an insurance policy. They could offer a package that includes outfielder Matt Murton, who doesn't appear to fit their future plans, although the Sox may be reluctant to deal with their crosstown rivals.

 

Link

 

 

Isn't that a couple days old?

 

the article has today's date. can't say how recent his source told him that though

 

 

Yeah, I seem to remember those exact words a couple of days ago. I wouldn't mind it happening, but I think he's just throwing out possibilities rather than substantial rumors.

 

It was in another thread, thats probably what you are thinking about.

 

Also, the 3 team Bosox deal is old news, the new news is a sending Wily Mo and a minor league pitcher for Dye.

 

Sox beat reporters suck worse than cubs beat reporters (except for Bruce, he doesnt suck).

 

 

Manny Delcarmen.

 

I didn't specify because it wasn't clear whether or not it was going to be Delcarmen or Masterson, or even one of their others, but supposedly now the deal is dead because the BoSox didnt want to give up Delcarmen or Masterson.

 

Yup, Delcarmen going to Texas.

[seanimal]

Supposedly, they just gave up Decarlmen.

[nilodnayr]

Supposedly, they just gave up Decarlmen.

 

Yet completely unsubstantiated...

[weis21]

Rotoworld:

 

The Boston Globe's Gordon Edes says the Red Sox will not part with either Manny Delcarmen or Justin Masterson along with Wily Mo Pena for Jermaine Dye.

 

Then they're probably not going to get a deal done. Edes says the Red Sox won't give up the young pitcher for a rent-a-player, but it's not just Dye -- it's also the draft picks he'd bring. Masterson was a second-round pick in 2006. The Red Sox would get at least one pick better than that next year if they brought in Dye now and then let him go as a free agent.

 

Hmmm, I'd like Dye, but what is KW asking the cubs for him?

[rickrolled]

Rotoworld:

 

The Boston Globe's Gordon Edes says the Red Sox will not part with either Manny Delcarmen or Justin Masterson along with Wily Mo Pena for Jermaine Dye.

 

Then they're probably not going to get a deal done. Edes says the Red Sox won't give up the young pitcher for a rent-a-player, but it's not just Dye -- it's also the draft picks he'd bring. Masterson was a second-round pick in 2006. The Red Sox would get at least one pick better than that next year if they brought in Dye now and then let him go as a free agent.

 

Hmmm, I'd like Dye, but what is KW asking the cubs for him?

 

Well, KW did ask for Marmol, and discussions ended there, I don't think Dye will be coming here.

[TysonCBulls423]

Murton and Cherry would be a better offer anyways :lol:

 

Do it Jimbo!

[weis21]

Apparently they are really looking for bullpen arms, what about Wuertz and Petrick?

[shnsajax]

What are the odds that both Williams and Guillen are gone in the offseason.