barrett for

[anabiono]

all-star

 

come on everybody! lets all use our 25 or remaining votes to get the greatest catcher in the history of baseball to this years ASG!!!

 

do it!

 

:cry:

[Omar]

Pass.

[B]

it would be pretty awesome to see him get into a fight with the starting pitcher.

[sunnydoo]

please kids, stop drinking the Kool Aid.

[Rob]

please kids, stop drinking the Kool Aid.

 

While I know you don't like Barrett, will you at least admit that he's the best catcher of our available options (including Blanco once he comes off the DL)?

[sunnydoo]

While I know you don't like Barrett, will you at least admit that he's the best catcher of our available options (including Blanco once he comes off the DL)?

 

I would rather see a trade for a Catcher that is serviceable long term or just to give the kids a shot in Soto/Hill. I think Blanco hasnt been healthy for a while. He may have a resurgence, but isnt the long term solution.

 

I would rather find the solution than the band aid. All Barrett is doing is irritating me, the fans, his teammates, and the pitching staff. The pitchers that have moved on from us dont speak well of him. Piniella doesnt seem to enjoy his though process either- although he did defend him in the post game last night saying it wasnt just on Barretts shoulders.

 

But his avg, obp, and ops is nothing special in looking at the rest of the league and his defense is atrocious. He does lead the league for C in HR by 1 but it just doesnt do it for me.

 

Would like to see a deal probably with the Braves. They have 3 catchers and find themselves outgunned in both a knife (Philly) and a gun fight(Mets). We can help their pitching if they can help us behind the dish. But Hendry has to hit it with urgency, the Braves arent going to hang around much longer and the price will go up if they drop out of the race.

[SouthSideRyan]

The Braves aren't trading us Saltalamacchia or McCann, and Pena is worse than all our catchers.

 

For this season, the options are pretty much Barrett or the guys we have in our own system. Barrett is definitely the best option, though I would like Soto to get some actual playing time before the year is up.

[rynefan]

I always liked him until this year, and I would have defended him before this year. This has just been too much. He's stunk. He probably is the best option for us at this point, but that's one heck of a thing to have to settle on.

[CoolHandLuke]

The Braves aren't trading us Saltalamacchia or McCann, and Pena is worse than all our catchers.

 

For this season, the options are pretty much Barrett or the guys we have in our own system. Barrett is definitely the best option, though I would like Soto to get some actual playing time before the year is up.

 

Doubt it but boy would I love Salt. Trading him has to be on their mind, I wonder what it would take.

[sunnydoo]

The Braves aren't trading us Saltalamacchia or McCann.

 

If we seriously hit them with a deal like Hoffpauir, Howry, and Cotts/Cherry or some other young pitcher (not Guzman or Marmol or any of our current starters), how in God's name would Schuerholz turn that down?

 

Seriously the Braves dont have any high talent 1b prospects other than Thorman who is stuck around .230. I love Micah, but he does not have a future in Chicago. He is blocked at all of his spots.

 

Howry addresses their need for setup relief and Cotts/Cherry could take either the Closer slot if Wickman falters or Cotts could take Gonzalez spot which has been a key problem since he blew out his elbow.

[CoolHandLuke]

The Braves aren't trading us Saltalamacchia or McCann.

 

If we seriously hit them with a deal like Hoffpauir, Howry, and Cotts/Cherry or some other young pitcher (not Guzman or Marmol or any of our current starters), how in God's name would Schuerholz turn that down?

 

Seriously the Braves dont have any high talent 1b prospects other than Thorman who is stuck around .230. I love Micah, but he does not have a future in Chicago. He is blocked at all of his spots.

 

Howry addresses their need for setup relief and Cotts/Cherry could take either the Closer slot if Wickman falters or Cotts could take Gonzalez spot which has been a key problem since he blew out his elbow.

 

They would move Salt to first before trading him for a mediocre first-base prospect and some ok pitching.

[Guest]

The Braves aren't trading us Saltalamacchia or McCann.

 

If we seriously hit them with a deal like Hoffpauir, Howry, and Cotts/Cherry or some other young pitcher (not Guzman or Marmol or any of our current starters), how in God's name would Schuerholz turn that down?

 

I would pass on that in a heartbeat if I was Schuerholz.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

The Braves aren't trading us Saltalamacchia or McCann.

 

If we seriously hit them with a deal like Hoffpauir, Howry, and Cotts/Cherry or some other young pitcher (not Guzman or Marmol or any of our current starters), how in God's name would Schuerholz turn that down?

 

Well there are lots of ways. He could hang up the phone if Hendry called, block him if Hendry tried to IM a proposal, kick him in the nuts if he did it in person....

 

In all seriousness though, that's a horrible, horrible deal. Hoffpauir is a non-prospect, roster filler. Howry is what he is, a reliever, and Cotts or Cherry aren't quite that. Then we're adding a less than prime pitching prospect to get Saltalamacchia or McCann? I'd imagine that any discussions for Salty or McCann would begin with Schuerholz asking for Pie.

[sunnydoo]

I'd imagine that any discussions for Salty or McCann would begin with Schuerholz asking for Pie.

 

Dont think they need him as they have Blanco in Richmond who is on pace with Pie's development to last season and ready to potentially break out like Pie did this year. He is Andruw's tabbed replacement.

 

This is also Atlantas last gasp for a while. Their high farm system is not pretty and they are not going to be spending on FAs. Very well could be Bobby Cox's swan song too.

 

Would think they might go for one more pennant.

Edited June 14, 2007 by sunnydoo

[imb]

The Braves aren't trading us Saltalamacchia or McCann.

 

If we seriously hit them with a deal like Hoffpauir, Howry, and Cotts/Cherry or some other young pitcher (not Guzman or Marmol or any of our current starters), how in God's name would Schuerholz turn that down?

 

Ahahahahahah, how can anyone ever take you seriously ever again?

[CoolHandLuke]

I'd imagine that any discussions for Salty or McCann would begin with Schuerholz asking for Pie.

 

Dont think they need him as they have Blanco in Richmond who is on pace with Pie and ready to potentially break out like Pie did this year. He is Andruw's tabbed replacement.

 

This is also Atlantas last gasp for a while. Their high farm system is not pretty and they are not going to be spending on FAs. Very well could be Bobby Cox's swan song too.

 

Would think they might go for one more pennant.

 

Schuerholz is too good a GM to trade a guy like Salt and only get Howry and Cotts/Cherry as the main pieces to help him reach that goal.

[sunnydoo]

Schuerholz is too good a GM to trade a guy like Salt and only get Howry and Cotts/Cherry as the main pieces to help him reach that goal.

 

I really think you guys are selling Hoffpauir's ability short 312/350/889 isnt terrible for AAA. Was 268/362/956 last year in AA. Would like higher OPS, but he hasnt shown lots of pop...more of a line drive hitter.

 

Maybe it takes another throw in or another team involved for some hot 3 way...either way i think Atl is the way to go.

[CoolHandLuke]

Schuerholz is too good a GM to trade a guy like Salt and only get Howry and Cotts/Cherry as the main pieces to help him reach that goal.

 

I really think you guys are selling Hoffpauir's ability short 312/350/889 isnt terrible for AAA. Was 268/362/956 last year in AA.

 

Maybe it takes another throw in or another team involved for some hot 3 way...either way i think Atl is the way to go.

 

I think it is definitely a way to go; I am in love with Jarrod Saltalamacchia. I just think it would take a heck of a lot more than you propose. Hoffpauier sounds like a nice guy, but the fact is he is 27 years old and has a spotty minor league track record. They would move Salt to first before trading him for a first baseman like Hoffpauier.

 

edit- Hoffpauier's 2006 AAA stats -.267/.345/.451 with significantly more at bats then he got at AA. Considering he was a 26 year old first baseman, that is not generally considered to be much of a prospect, that is pretty bad.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Schuerholz is too good a GM to trade a guy like Salt and only get Howry and Cotts/Cherry as the main pieces to help him reach that goal.

 

I really think you guys are selling Hoffpauir's ability short 312/350/889 isnt terrible for AAA. Was 268/362/956 last year in AA. Would like higher OPS, but he hasnt shown lots of pop...more of a line drive hitter.

 

He's twenty-seven years old.

[Guest]

Schuerholz is too good a GM to trade a guy like Salt and only get Howry and Cotts/Cherry as the main pieces to help him reach that goal.

 

I really think you guys are selling Hoffpauir's ability short 312/350/889 isnt terrible for AAA. Was 268/362/956 last year in AA. Would like higher OPS, but he hasnt shown lots of pop...more of a line drive hitter.

 

Maybe it takes another throw in or another team involved for some hot 3 way...either way i think Atl is the way to go.

 

You're trying to trade for Saltalamacchia. Not Richard Lewis and Andy Pratt.

[CubsWin]

Schuerholz is too good a GM to trade a guy like Salt and only get Howry and Cotts/Cherry as the main pieces to help him reach that goal.

 

I really think you guys are selling Hoffpauir's ability short 312/350/889 isnt terrible for AAA. Was 268/362/956 last year in AA. Would like higher OPS, but he hasnt shown lots of pop...more of a line drive hitter.

 

Maybe it takes another throw in or another team involved for some hot 3 way...either way i think Atl is the way to go.

Come on, IMB!, there is no need to ridicule sunnydoo for putting forth this trade idea, is there? It's enough to call it a very unrealistic idea. Hoffpauir is not a prospect. The Braves will simply move Saltalamachia to 1B if/when Thorman proves unworthy. They have no need to trade him. It is going to take a lot to get him. Certainly a lot more than a 27 year old AAA 1B with decent numbers, a reliever and a B-list pitching prospect.

 

I'm all for trading for a better catcher. Barrett has been brutal often this season, but he has a track record of being much better than he has in the first two months of this season. I think he will pick things up. That said, if the Cubs can move him and get someone better, I'd do it in a heartbeat assuming the player cost isn't outrageous.

 

Keep in mind, the Cubs have a catching prospect of their own performing incredibly well right now in AAA. Geovany Soto has been hot all year long. He needs to keep it up, but if he can, he becomes a viable option for to take over for Blanco next season and even compete for a starting role. Defensively, he is supposed to be sound with a good arm and good game calling abilities. And offensively, he has put up good OBPs the last 3 years running while giving us reason to believe that he may be taking his bat to the next level this season. He is only 24, and won't turn 25 til next January. I'm keeping my eye on Soto.

[sunnydoo]

You're trying to trade for Saltalamacchia. Not Richard Lewis and Andy Pratt.

 

That wasnt really a bad trade...just worked out badly as all Cub trades do. Lewis/Pratt for Cruz/Smyth. Cruz had 1 good year with the Braves and moved on. He definitely needed to get out of Chicago though.

 

Lewis got messed up in the disaster with the Diamond Jax when they were moving people all over the place game after game. Dont know if it got to him or he just topped out on his talent, but his ceiling certainly looked higher at the time and we were looking for a 2b if you recall that could take over for the TWalk and Grudz show...pre-EP. Who knew that the answer was playing SS with the Diamond Jaxx then (Ryan Theriot)?

 

I dont think anyone is worth 4 players...not even Texiera which the Rangers are looking for. A proven reliever in a pen that needs another proven arm + a young pitcher + someone else ought to get that deal done.

 

Braves have a solid OF, probably wouldnt want or need JJ. Also Harris/Blanco/Francouer is their future OF. Chipper has signed at 3b. Escobar will be ready for SS when Renteria leaves. KJohnson is at 2b. 3 catchers is a luxury. Really only need areas are 1b and pitching staff.

 

We could then flip a package of another arm + Barrett/JJ/ or MM for a good young SS talent somewhere. I really need to scan the farm reports and see whats available down in AA.

Edited June 14, 2007 by sunnydoo

[sunnydoo]

Come on, IMB!, there is no need to ridicule sunnydoo for putting forth this trade idea, is there?

 

Ah dont mind him. We have a history. He is still upset about the CP thing. Hopefully he will grow up soon. Until then, i just let everything he says roll down my back.

 

We are all passionate Cub fans and have differing opinions on things but want the same result.

 

But ty for the thought though.

[CubsWin]

Come on, IMB!, there is no need to ridicule sunnydoo for putting forth this trade idea, is there?

 

Ah dont mind him. We have a history. He is still upset about the CP thing. Hopefully he will grow up soon. Until then, i just let everything he says roll down my back.

 

We are all passionate Cub fans and have differing opinions on things but want the same result.

 

But ty for the thought though.

Your welcome, but the same holds true for you and all of us. See bolded section...

 

All's I'm sayin' is your point would have been made so much stronger without it.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

all-star

 

come on everybody! lets all use our 25 or remaining votes to get the greatest catcher in the history of baseball to this years ASG!!!

 

do it!

 

:cry:

 

Actually you can vote a lot more that 25 times. Unfortunately, no one on this team inspires me to start my 35,000 vote effort back up. I did cast about 5,000 votes on an all-Cub spree back in May. But, I don't care anymore.